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MRW posted 06-19-2002 02:44 PM ET (US)
I came across a brand new Whaler OR 21 w/ new merc225 opti max...asking $39,995...What is realistic price to offer for this?
TRAFFICLAWYER posted 06-19-2002 05:19 PM ET (US)
Since the optimax would drastically devalue the boat, as little as possible!!!
If you dont know about optimax, check out some other sites like florida sportsman,
my optimax lasted 20 hours before the power head blew!! Now I have a yamaha!!
TRAFFICLAWYER posted 06-19-2002 05:22 PM ET (US)
Anyway, it's a TWO year old product!!
Go to yachtworld or trader or nada for pricing if your insisting on the optimax.
dauntlass 18 posted 06-19-2002 07:15 PM ET (US)
MRW We have a 21 ft ConquestI think the same hull as Outrage with Optimax 200hp.The optimax engine has been trouble free up to now.We are in second year of ownership.I would not worry about Optimax engine in my opinion.Price to pay for boat, I would ck internet sites for going price for used boat eqp. the same way and work from there.Is the price you stated include a trailer?
roofer posted 06-20-2002 11:42 AM ET (US)
I recently bought a 2000 18 ft outrage. What I did was this I went to Boat Trader Online and Boats.com I looked for 1999 and 2000 outrages. I bought mine without a trailer so I subtracted the cost of a new trailer about $1800 from the cost of the used boats being offered with trailers. Then I also noted what electrical equipment was on the used boats and tried to subtracted that cost out further including instaltion cost which is the real cost, basically try to get to as much of an apples to apples comparison as possible. Then what I did was I offered the dealer a fair used price (fair being defined as if you find 10 boats that compare take the lowest 4 boat prices and get you apples to apples comparison price from them and offer you dealer 5% less than this average price. what I figured was that if I figured out the used posted value for these boats they would actually trade 5% below their advertised value, if I was selling a used boat and some one offered me 5% less I think I would take it, thus this is the market value, also you throw out the highest 6 because they are priced to high. Now if you can buy it for this you have a great deal most likely you can’t get this price, however you have established your starting bid, and that you are serious. This first price is where you will write the check for the boat today. Also negotiate over the phone the dealer has way to much leverage if you are present. They will counter you but there price should not be more than 20% over your. In my case it was 7% over my price. I then came up 2% which they rejected. I told them this was the best I could do and thanked him for his time, I informed him that maybe boston whalers were just out of my range and i was going to look around a bit at other name brands. They counted with but the boat is worth it because, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. They were correct of course but you can’t let on, tell them econimics are econimcs and you are already way over you original budget, thank them again for there time and get off the phone. They will call you back it may take 2-7 days but I new boat sale with a buyer who has cash in hand is hard to find. Ultimatley I came up a total of 5% from my original price and they threw in a custom canvasse cover for the center consuoel and leaning post. I realize this may not answer you original question, but I bought my boat in Febuary and was exactly in your shoes in terms of figuring out price, this is how I solved the issue. Also a long time ago I went car sopping with my father and he told me something I have never forgotten, if you don’t walk out the door get in you car and leave, you did not get the best price, they will always call you after you drive away or in this case tell them thank you over the phone and that you are going to look else where. I hope you do not view this as me telling you how to handle you personell bussiness. I have benifited greatly from the knowledge on this site, however I do not have the same knowledge as most of the people here as it relates to the mechanics of boston whalers, thus this is one of the only ways for me to give back. I hope it helps. I paid $26,500 for a 2000 18ft outrage with a 135 opti, with no trailer. I have been told I received a fair deal which was all I wanted.
TRAFFICLAWYER posted 06-20-2002 05:12 PM ET (US)
OPTIMAX=&^%$# THIS WAS AN EXPLETIVE!!

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Author	Topic: 2000 outrage 21
MRW	posted 06-19-2002 02:44 PM ET (US) I came across a brand new Whaler OR 21 w/ new merc225 opti max...asking $39,995...What is realistic price to offer for this?
TRAFFICLAWYER	posted 06-19-2002 05:19 PM ET (US) Since the optimax would drastically devalue the boat, as little as possible!!! If you dont know about optimax, check out some other sites like florida sportsman, my optimax lasted 20 hours before the power head blew!! Now I have a yamaha!!
TRAFFICLAWYER	posted 06-19-2002 05:22 PM ET (US) Anyway, it's a TWO year old product!! Go to yachtworld or trader or nada for pricing if your insisting on the optimax.
dauntlass 18	posted 06-19-2002 07:15 PM ET (US) MRW We have a 21 ft ConquestI think the same hull as Outrage with Optimax 200hp.The optimax engine has been trouble free up to now.We are in second year of ownership.I would not worry about Optimax engine in my opinion.Price to pay for boat, I would ck internet sites for going price for used boat eqp. the same way and work from there.Is the price you stated include a trailer?
roofer	posted 06-20-2002 11:42 AM ET (US) I recently bought a 2000 18 ft outrage. What I did was this I went to Boat Trader Online and Boats.com I looked for 1999 and 2000 outrages. I bought mine without a trailer so I subtracted the cost of a new trailer about $1800 from the cost of the used boats being offered with trailers. Then I also noted what electrical equipment was on the used boats and tried to subtracted that cost out further including instaltion cost which is the real cost, basically try to get to as much of an apples to apples comparison as possible. Then what I did was I offered the dealer a fair used price (fair being defined as if you find 10 boats that compare take the lowest 4 boat prices and get you apples to apples comparison price from them and offer you dealer 5% less than this average price. what I figured was that if I figured out the used posted value for these boats they would actually trade 5% below their advertised value, if I was selling a used boat and some one offered me 5% less I think I would take it, thus this is the market value, also you throw out the highest 6 because they are priced to high. Now if you can buy it for this you have a great deal most likely you can’t get this price, however you have established your starting bid, and that you are serious. This first price is where you will write the check for the boat today. Also negotiate over the phone the dealer has way to much leverage if you are present. They will counter you but there price should not be more than 20% over your. In my case it was 7% over my price. I then came up 2% which they rejected. I told them this was the best I could do and thanked him for his time, I informed him that maybe boston whalers were just out of my range and i was going to look around a bit at other name brands. They counted with but the boat is worth it because, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. They were correct of course but you can’t let on, tell them econimics are econimcs and you are already way over you original budget, thank them again for there time and get off the phone. They will call you back it may take 2-7 days but I new boat sale with a buyer who has cash in hand is hard to find. Ultimatley I came up a total of 5% from my original price and they threw in a custom canvasse cover for the center consuoel and leaning post. I realize this may not answer you original question, but I bought my boat in Febuary and was exactly in your shoes in terms of figuring out price, this is how I solved the issue. Also a long time ago I went car sopping with my father and he told me something I have never forgotten, if you don’t walk out the door get in you car and leave, you did not get the best price, they will always call you after you drive away or in this case tell them thank you over the phone and that you are going to look else where. I hope you do not view this as me telling you how to handle you personell bussiness. I have benifited greatly from the knowledge on this site, however I do not have the same knowledge as most of the people here as it relates to the mechanics of boston whalers, thus this is one of the only ways for me to give back. I hope it helps. I paid $26,500 for a 2000 18ft outrage with a 135 opti, with no trailer. I have been told I received a fair deal which was all I wanted.
TRAFFICLAWYER	posted 06-20-2002 05:12 PM ET (US) OPTIMAX=&^%$# THIS WAS AN EXPLETIVE!!