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schollis posted 06-24-2002 11:42 PM ET (US)

What is the better hull a Outrage'95 19'or a 2000 (18')?
Tom W Clark posted 06-24-2002 11:49 PM ET (US)
1989
David Ratusnik posted 06-25-2002 08:28 AM ET (US)
1986
Jerry Townsend posted 06-25-2002 10:57 AM ET (US)
Schollis - with all respect, your question just opened pandora's box - even in this part of the website. Sometimes informative and objective, sometimes subjective and even a tad ugly - but, as Walter Cronkite would say "That's the way it is". I cannot offer an opinion as I have not been in either. --- Jerry/Idaho
bigz posted 06-25-2002 11:34 AM ET (US)
Heck man as any fool can see a 2000 it's 5 years the younger ---
Ha ha just trying to develop a BigShot persona --- chuckle LOA -- Z
Bigshot posted 06-25-2002 02:13 PM ET (US)
Call me and I'll throw you some tips Z :)
Jimh would love 2 of us on here, he'd have to quit his day job to moderate us.
David Ratusnik posted 06-25-2002 02:44 PM ET (US)
Now, neither of you guys are going to get any of those neat little gold stars for good behavior. D
bigz posted 06-25-2002 03:15 PM ET (US)
Sorry Schollis, I know you think you had a decent question, but I guess no one is sure what what you actually want answered! It isn't apples to apples. Please explain a little more of what facts or at least opinions you would like to hear expressed.
David R are you sur eyour last name isn't really Rasputin --- ;) chuckle Z
Bigshot posted 06-25-2002 03:25 PM ET (US)
Oh! To answer his question.....DUDE! As any fool can see a 2000 is better, it's 5 years younger! I mean duh:) I wish I could spell Duh like a valley girl says it, sounds much better in my head.
Actually you are comparing 2 different vessels. The newer 19 & 18 hulls are a much deeper v than the older 18's and especially the 70's 19' outrages. I personally would opt for a pre-1998, I believe that is when Brunswick took over. The 19' is a Dougherty design I believe and I am more impressed with his ideas than Sea Rays. I am not trying to be a smart-**s here(did that above), just giving you my opinion, which you asked for. Now WHATEVER you do....don't buy a.....
David Ratusnik posted 06-25-2002 04:39 PM ET (US)
Z I agree that the problem is the question in the original post is unclear,ie., "better"???? Everyone just starts to play. If schollis would better (ha) define the question we might (might) get out of the sandbox. David
schollis posted 06-26-2002 12:33 AM ET (US)
I have been cosidering both boats for lake use mostly, with family and kids. It is easy for me to evaluate the motors, but the hull design, stability, construction, weight, gas tanks, console, transom, are very different boats. I was just looking for feedback from someone who might have experience with both these era boats. I was even having trouble finding pixs of a '95-19.
Bigshot posted 06-26-2002 09:34 AM ET (US)
Year is not all that important in this arena....condition is. Iwould much rather have a garaged 1989 in mint condition than a semi-well taken care of 95.....Cabeesh?
Buy what suits you and your family the best. A 95 minivan is much different in design than maybe a 2000....which one suits your needs and budget better?
BillD posted 06-26-2002 09:40 AM ET (US)
I have a 2000 18' Outrage and it is a great boat. I feel that the biggest differences between the 1999 / 2000 18' and the earlier 18' & 19' Outrages is the beam and the weight. The 1999 / 2000 18' Outrage has a very wide beam 8'6" and a dry weight of 2500 lbs (the engine will add another 500 or so). The beam and the weight and a full tank of gas make it a very stable boat regardless of the seas. Also it does not have much roll, so if the kids all run to one side of the boat to look at something it hardly moves.
My cousin has an '86 18' Outrage (I think the mid '90s 19' is almost the same as the earlier 18' from a hull standpoint) and it is smaller and weighs less but still a great boat. It is quicker than the 2000 but not as stable in my opinion primarily because of the beam & weight differences.
If you will be trailering the 19' weighs less and will take less car / truck to pull.
On a typical lake either boat will be great and I would be tempted to go with the older (less expensive) boat.
roofer posted 06-26-2002 01:35 PM ET (US)
I Have a 18ft 2000 whaler as well. I think it is a great boat, very stable. Correction on the last posting. I believe the beam on the 2000 18 Outrage is 8�3", not 8�6". I have the Brochure from 2000 and the beam is listed as 8 ft 3 in. The 21ft has a beam of 8ft 4 inches. And the 23 has a beam of 8ft 6in same with the 26ft and the 28 ft has a beam of 10ft 4 in.
lhg posted 06-26-2002 06:48 PM ET (US)
Schollis - the 1995 19' Outrage is the same boat as the 1992 shown in the Rendezvous section, pages 1-3. JimH even wrote a critique on the boat. It was the last year of the Classic Whaler Outrage hulls. It's a nice boat, and the hull was in production from 1982-1995. The 2000 Outrage 18 was only in production for 2 years. You'd have to ask the Company why.
JustFish posted 06-28-2002 07:56 PM ET (US)
I have also been contemplating moving to an Outrage. I spoke with someone who worked at the plant for some years. His opinion was the 19/20 Outrage hull produced from 1997 - 2000 was one of the best ever made. It was called the 19 in 97 and changed to the 20 in 98 or 99 - its LOA is 19'8".....
gf posted 06-28-2002 09:40 PM ET (US)

JustFish:
There was no 20' Outrage in '99 & '00. The 19'8" hull previously used as the mid-90s Outrage 19/20 was used in the 20' Ventura dual console hull, however. It is also the same hull as the current 19' Justice.
My understanding is that the '99-'01 21' Outrage (the one with the walk-in console) is not a very good riding boat. The previous generation ('94-'98) Outrage 21 was better. That same hull is used as the 21' Justice.
JustFish posted 06-29-2002 10:07 AM ET (US)
gh - thanks for the input. How does the Justice 19 and 21 compare to one another - any ideas?
I can't get the 99-01 O/R in my garage, even if I remove the windshield and grabrail - so its out.....

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Author	Topic: What's the better Outrage; 95 or 2000 ?
schollis	posted 06-24-2002 11:42 PM ET (US) What is the better hull a Outrage'95 19'or a 2000 (18')?
Tom W Clark	posted 06-24-2002 11:49 PM ET (US) 1989
David Ratusnik	posted 06-25-2002 08:28 AM ET (US) 1986
Jerry Townsend	posted 06-25-2002 10:57 AM ET (US) Schollis - with all respect, your question just opened pandora's box - even in this part of the website. Sometimes informative and objective, sometimes subjective and even a tad ugly - but, as Walter Cronkite would say "That's the way it is". I cannot offer an opinion as I have not been in either. --- Jerry/Idaho
bigz	posted 06-25-2002 11:34 AM ET (US) Heck man as any fool can see a 2000 it's 5 years the younger --- Ha ha just trying to develop a BigShot persona --- chuckle LOA -- Z
Bigshot	posted 06-25-2002 02:13 PM ET (US) Call me and I'll throw you some tips Z :) Jimh would love 2 of us on here, he'd have to quit his day job to moderate us.
David Ratusnik	posted 06-25-2002 02:44 PM ET (US) Now, neither of you guys are going to get any of those neat little gold stars for good behavior. D
bigz	posted 06-25-2002 03:15 PM ET (US) Sorry Schollis, I know you think you had a decent question, but I guess no one is sure what what you actually want answered! It isn't apples to apples. Please explain a little more of what facts or at least opinions you would like to hear expressed. David R are you sur eyour last name isn't really Rasputin --- ;) chuckle Z
Bigshot	posted 06-25-2002 03:25 PM ET (US) Oh! To answer his question.....DUDE! As any fool can see a 2000 is better, it's 5 years younger! I mean duh:) I wish I could spell Duh like a valley girl says it, sounds much better in my head. Actually you are comparing 2 different vessels. The newer 19 & 18 hulls are a much deeper v than the older 18's and especially the 70's 19' outrages. I personally would opt for a pre-1998, I believe that is when Brunswick took over. The 19' is a Dougherty design I believe and I am more impressed with his ideas than Sea Rays. I am not trying to be a smart-**s here(did that above), just giving you my opinion, which you asked for. Now WHATEVER you do....don't buy a.....
David Ratusnik	posted 06-25-2002 04:39 PM ET (US) Z I agree that the problem is the question in the original post is unclear,ie., "better"???? Everyone just starts to play. If schollis would better (ha) define the question we might (might) get out of the sandbox. David
schollis	posted 06-26-2002 12:33 AM ET (US) I have been cosidering both boats for lake use mostly, with family and kids. It is easy for me to evaluate the motors, but the hull design, stability, construction, weight, gas tanks, console, transom, are very different boats. I was just looking for feedback from someone who might have experience with both these era boats. I was even having trouble finding pixs of a '95-19.
Bigshot	posted 06-26-2002 09:34 AM ET (US) Year is not all that important in this arena....condition is. Iwould much rather have a garaged 1989 in mint condition than a semi-well taken care of 95.....Cabeesh? Buy what suits you and your family the best. A 95 minivan is much different in design than maybe a 2000....which one suits your needs and budget better?
BillD	posted 06-26-2002 09:40 AM ET (US) I have a 2000 18' Outrage and it is a great boat. I feel that the biggest differences between the 1999 / 2000 18' and the earlier 18' & 19' Outrages is the beam and the weight. The 1999 / 2000 18' Outrage has a very wide beam 8'6" and a dry weight of 2500 lbs (the engine will add another 500 or so). The beam and the weight and a full tank of gas make it a very stable boat regardless of the seas. Also it does not have much roll, so if the kids all run to one side of the boat to look at something it hardly moves. My cousin has an '86 18' Outrage (I think the mid '90s 19' is almost the same as the earlier 18' from a hull standpoint) and it is smaller and weighs less but still a great boat. It is quicker than the 2000 but not as stable in my opinion primarily because of the beam & weight differences. If you will be trailering the 19' weighs less and will take less car / truck to pull. On a typical lake either boat will be great and I would be tempted to go with the older (less expensive) boat.
roofer	posted 06-26-2002 01:35 PM ET (US) I Have a 18ft 2000 whaler as well. I think it is a great boat, very stable. Correction on the last posting. I believe the beam on the 2000 18 Outrage is 8�3", not 8�6". I have the Brochure from 2000 and the beam is listed as 8 ft 3 in. The 21ft has a beam of 8ft 4 inches. And the 23 has a beam of 8ft 6in same with the 26ft and the 28 ft has a beam of 10ft 4 in.
lhg	posted 06-26-2002 06:48 PM ET (US) Schollis - the 1995 19' Outrage is the same boat as the 1992 shown in the Rendezvous section, pages 1-3. JimH even wrote a critique on the boat. It was the last year of the Classic Whaler Outrage hulls. It's a nice boat, and the hull was in production from 1982-1995. The 2000 Outrage 18 was only in production for 2 years. You'd have to ask the Company why.
JustFish	posted 06-28-2002 07:56 PM ET (US) I have also been contemplating moving to an Outrage. I spoke with someone who worked at the plant for some years. His opinion was the 19/20 Outrage hull produced from 1997 - 2000 was one of the best ever made. It was called the 19 in 97 and changed to the 20 in 98 or 99 - its LOA is 19'8".....
gf	posted 06-28-2002 09:40 PM ET (US) JustFish: There was no 20' Outrage in '99 & '00. The 19'8" hull previously used as the mid-90s Outrage 19/20 was used in the 20' Ventura dual console hull, however. It is also the same hull as the current 19' Justice. My understanding is that the '99-'01 21' Outrage (the one with the walk-in console) is not a very good riding boat. The previous generation ('94-'98) Outrage 21 was better. That same hull is used as the 21' Justice.
JustFish	posted 06-29-2002 10:07 AM ET (US) gh - thanks for the input. How does the Justice 19 and 21 compare to one another - any ideas? I can't get the 99-01 O/R in my garage, even if I remove the windshield and grabrail - so its out.....