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Buying too small?
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posted 07-12-2002 05:11 PM ET (US)
I am on the cusp of purchasing a new 03' 150 Sport w 60hp bigfoot 4 stroke. My main worry is that I am buying too small.
A large part of my selection criteria was weight. I have a Ranger with a 2.3L 4 cyl. and 1500# max tow capacity and don't want to have to purchase a new vehicle to tow. I had been looking at the Montauk 17' which weighs in about the same. Price tag significantly higher.
After seeing the 150 Sport it seems to fit most of my criteria, ie. wt., budget etc.
I would mostly be doing lakes and rivers in N. Fl. as well as near shore snorkling & diving (2 divers/1 tender) off the west coast of fl.
I'd like to solicit opinions from others using their boats for similar activities.
posted 07-12-2002 05:33 PM ET (US)
Your 150 will shrink, and become too small in about 2 years.
The Bigfoot is the wrong engine to put on a 150. It is a 'toon engine or aux for a BIG boat.
I know how Whaler/Merc dealers will pressure you to take what they have, but you should hold out for the engine with the correct leg and gears for your boat.
Red sky at night. . .
posted 07-12-2002 07:13 PM ET (US)
How can you judge the performance of a boat and motor combo based on your lack of experience with this combination. I know some of the Wahler test guys and they told me they tested the 60 4stroke with and with out the big foot gear. The big foot was chosen because it would get a load on plane better and pull a skier better with no loss of top end. Merc may have developed the larger gear case to help pontoon boats, but who cares which gear is on the boat as long as it performs. Bigger gears that turn more wheel are not a bad combination
posted 07-12-2002 07:23 PM ET (US)
How can you judge my qualification to comment with zero knowledge of my experience or credentials?
I would not accept evaluation of Brunswick products by Brunswick employees as the last word. If I hear it from qualified testers with no job to protect I will consider it.
In the meantime a big gearbox will make more drag than a small one, and a big prop with appropriate pitch is gonna be a lot harder to find.
Red sky at night. . .
posted 07-13-2002 02:02 AM ET (US)
The "Bigfoot" gear case is designed with a deeper gear ratio, larger diameter gears. The intent is slow the prop down,add surface area to the blades to have hugh thrust. This engine cause a loss of some speed but will pop the boat to top end in less time than a higher ratio/smaller prop combo.
Bigfoot 60 Four StrokeGear Ratio is 2.31:1
Standard 60 Four Stroke Gear Ratio is 1.83:1 WOT 5500-6000
posted 07-13-2002 07:55 AM ET (US)
Yes, BM. That is what I would expect. I would also expect slightly more fuel usage.
Red sky at night. . .
posted 07-13-2002 10:25 AM ET (US)
RA - I too wrestled with "what size". I figured a 13 Whaler was good enough. Easy, light, good on gas, etc. My dad advised a 16 at least - I got the 16. He was wrong :) - it was too small too. I am glad I didn't get the 13.... They might look big on the trailer - but the sure do get small small small when they hit the water.
You have another consideration - towing weight - I didn't have that. I definitely wouldn't go and buy another vehicle just to tow a boat - unless you were thinking of getting something else anyway.
Whalers are heavy and you aren't going to get much in LOA without weight. My Dauntless is around 2000lbs with motor, gas (6#/gal) and junk.
I am already looking at the 21 Outrages.
posted 07-13-2002 05:42 PM ET (US)
Thank you everybody for the information and thoughts.
My wife helped a lot to make the decision. We went down to the dealer's this morning to look over the boats again (150 Sport/Montauk 170). She said "Get the 17." So I did.
posted 07-13-2002 05:45 PM ET (US)
JB IS RIGHT ON! He has been around the pond and on this forum quite a bit. His track record and knowledge is reliable and proven.
Lets have a lil repect here and allow an opinion which R_Ant was looking for!
posted 07-14-2002 07:33 PM ET (US)
How is the 17 set up?
posted 07-14-2002 10:14 PM ET (US)
You should be happy with the 17 Montauk.
The Montauk is a great all around boat.
With the 90 Mercury it will be plenty fast.
also it will be easy on your wallet as
far as gas goes.
The montauk is a easy boat to trailer.
I would imagine your boat will come with
a bimini top.It would be a good idea to
have a cover made to fit your montauk
while not in use.
posted 07-14-2002 11:41 PM ET (US)
I love my 99 Montauk. I have a 4 stroke Merc 60 bigfoot. Not the quickest around, but you would not believe the fuel economy and quiet operation. I have had most of the whalers 18 and under and am by far most happy with the Montauk. Just my .02 worth. Mark
posted 07-15-2002 07:59 PM ET (US)
She is equipped with the fising package (cooler seat, integrated tackle box, compass), the suntop, swim platform and powered by the Mercury 90 HP 4 stroke.
I'm sure I'll be making further posts as I learn my boat.
Again, thanks to all for the excellent info.
posted 07-16-2002 06:33 PM ET (US)
Having graduated from a Sport 15 to a Montauk due to the shrink factor, I too would advise the Montauk. Lord knows I didn't grow out any. :)
The weight you have to pull is not only the 950 pounds of Montauk, but also 300 pounds of engine, 150 to 200 pounds of fuel (7 pounds per gallon as I recall as a rough number), and maybe a couple of hundred pounds of various gear (anchors, line, electronics, PFD's, flares, oil tanks, battery, fishing tackle etc.) Add to this the 500 pounds or so for a decent trailer, your towing capacity for a Montauk should be in the 2000-2500# range.
Your Ranger just won't cut it, especially with the 4 cylinder. Just my opinion. I have a Ranger, but tow with my K2500 diesel 4x4.
posted 07-17-2002 10:05 AM ET (US)
New Montauks are 500lbs heavier than the classics. My Montauk weighs about 2000 loaded w/trailer.
The Ranger will be fine. My 4cyl Toyota had a tow rating of 3500 and I towed 6000+ for 2 years with it.
posted 07-17-2002 04:24 PM ET (US)
I went through the same decision process with some help from others who bought a couple of boats before I could. I was looking at the classic 15' with the mohogany console and seats but in the end and with some "go aheads form the wife" I purchased the new 170 Montauk.
I can't imagine trying to help my kids catch fish while trying to avoid the seats that span the entire beam in the classic 15s. I'm really enjoying the 170 and so will you... best of luck with the new boat...
posted 07-17-2002 08:32 PM ET (US)
The Ranger did ok on the eight mile trip home from the dealer. She definately knew there was a boat back there. This wasn't a definitive trip and I'll know better after this weekend.
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