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confused about dauntless
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posted 07-27-2002 05:13 PM ET (US)
I'm have some questions about the dauntless serious whaler.
First of all, I see on whalers website the 16ft dauntless which looks very nice. I like the live bait well and fuel capacity. What is the price difference between this and the montauk and also would they be about equal in the handling of rough water. (I sort of asked this in my 170 montauk thread).
Also I have looked in boat trader and seen some other pics of dauntless and in years past it looks like they had a center console as well as a dual console (or is the dual console actually a misprinted ventura??) This is what is confusing me.
What I need is a center console no less than 15ft that can handle rough water but no larger than 17ft.
The area I use my boat is in San Francisco bay and just offshore in the bay area. Waters can get pretty rough at times. 17ft. montauks are out all the time w/ no problems and currently I use a 13.5 ft avon rib which can get kind of scary at times and doesn't have enough room for me to fish. ALso the new montauk is just a few inches too wide to fit in the opening of my garage door, will the 16 dauntless or the older 15 be narrower?
Can anyone give me a breakdown of dauntless models over the past few years and what I can expect to pay for the different year models. I know I have just asked a lot of questions but I need some clearing up from u whaler experts. Thanks.
posted 07-27-2002 05:14 PM ET (US)
oh yeah, where does the dauntless fit into the whaler lineup?? Is it supposed a middle ground to the classics and outrage or is it the lowest of the three?
posted 07-27-2002 08:11 PM ET (US)
Littleblue - a lot of information regarding sizes, weights, etc is found in the REFERENCE section of the forum. I have an Outrage uso I can't really answer your questions regarding the Dauntless or the Montauk. ----- Jerry/Idaho
posted 07-27-2002 08:38 PM ET (US)
The Dauntless was first introduced in 1994 as a 15. It has since been offered in lengths from 13 to 22.
The Dauntless doesn't get a lot of respect on this forum as it is a new design and not a classic. It is a good boat with a nice ride and plenty of cockpit space.
posted 07-27-2002 09:18 PM ET (US)
hmm...I like the fact that it has that space. There is one picture of a 15 somewhere around here that shows a view from behind the boat and it looks pretty roomy for a 15 footer.
what about pricing?
posted 07-27-2002 09:25 PM ET (US)
I have a 1999 Dauntless 14 (14' 5") that was made in '99 and '00, only 2 years. It is easy to tow, fits in the garage, easy to launch/load by yourself.
There's good room on the boat for 2 - 3 fishermen, depending on the type of fishing you are doing. (I don't water ski or tube.) I mainly Bass and salmon fish.
The ride is soft and stable. I and my buddy have been of the same side of the boat with no "lean" of the hull. I use it in fresh lakes water and Puget Sound, both of which can get very choppy. I have never been worried in the boat.
I have a 75hp Merc 2 stroke on it and with the built-in 25 gallon gas tank, I never worry about running low, and the boat gets on plane and cruises well and fast.
It's my first Whaler so I can't compare to others, but I am very happy with the boat, If I were buying now, I might look at the Dauntless 16 but maybe more towards the new Montauk 170 for "another foot".
posted 07-27-2002 11:16 PM ET (US)
man...what is up w/ the different engines?
I just read an older post about SoCalWhaler getting a 16 dauntless w/ a yamaha engine. is it just your particular dealer who may or maynot have a different engine choice? I was under the impression that all whalers came equiped w/ mercs (at least that's what it sounded like from my 170 montauk thread).
ALso, I keep hearing a lot about the boat riding in large boat wake and lake chop which is fine but does anyone have experience in rougher ocean conditions w/ constant waves/swell. Here in sf bay there is usually a strong afternoon wind and if your traveling in the right direction into the wind/chop water will spray up and back into u. I experienced this in a 16ft. tri-hull, a 20ft walk around, and now a 13ft rib ( I really get wet in this boat). Just curious how the whaler handles this type of spray.
posted 07-28-2002 04:56 PM ET (US)
I have a Dauntless 16 with a Honda 90 that I use on the rivers and Cheasapeake Bay here in Maryland.
As Dick noted the Dauntless requires more Horsepower, I believe the minimum would be 90 for decent performance, this is due to the Vee hull with an underdeck 45 gallon gas tank. This design makes the hull larger and heavier, this is also refelcted in the swamp capactiy rating which I believe is 4200 lbs.
There is a older 17 Dauntless dual console with a walk through windshield that is the forerunner of the Ventura, now all Dauntless models are center console.
As for getting into your garage it depends on your tailer setup.
The Vee hull is designed to smooth out a ride in a chop. You will find that this is a dry hull, but the greater the LOA the better the ride. Also a lot depends on the frequency of the chop and the size. Swells found outside of the bay in open water will not be a problem. I am not sure but I believe that Boston Whaler is eliminating the notch in the transom on the Dauntless line. This should add extra boyancy at the stern and keep the keel line all the way to the end.
What you experianced with the trihull would be simular to a classic hull design. The newer desgns such as the new 150 or 170 also have a deeper vee than the older classic, I believe more in line with the Outrage.
Check with stes that have boats for sale and your paper to gauge the price of used Whalers.
What you really need to do is find someone or a dealer with these hulls that you are interested in and go out for a ride! That is the only way you would know what you are getting into and if that is what you want.
posted 08-06-2002 10:43 AM ET (US)
lb - I too have a 16' Dauntless with a 90 4 stroke. It has the comfort package and I keep it in my garage. Its beam is under 8'. I got it with a break-away swing tongue on the trailer to shorten the length required. I highly recommend it.
The 90 4stroke pushes the boat at about 38mph with the bimini up.
I agree with 90 being a minimum - esp with the added weight of the 4 stroke. I think the boat could use trim tabs to help get up on plane - its the only complaint I would have.
The Montauk is a longer but narrower boat. The Dauntless will give you a more stable ride and drift but pound more in a sea. I've never gotten wet (yet) and I've had it in 2-3 seas many times.
Having lived in the Bay Area for 10 years in the past (in Florida now) - staying dry should be a consideration - that water is cold cold cold.........
posted 08-06-2002 01:16 PM ET (US)
I have the new 22 Daunltess mentioned in another thread. We are generally pleased with the boat but it did take some getting used to the very low freeboard in the boat.
The boat also feels a bit lighter than I expected but keep in mind I am gowing from a 33 foot SeaRay (we are right sizing for retirement) to a Duanltess for day use. The first day out my Dauntless with the 225 Honda reminded me of a high powered skaeboard. It does very well at all speeds, however, and we are getting used to the feeling of not having much between us and the water. We use it on Lake Winnipesaukee in NH. It is a large lake and it can get quite rough. We are used to it now and are happy with it, but if I had the decision to make over again I would have opted for an Outrage which has more freeboard. FB
posted 08-08-2002 12:00 PM ET (US)
The DAUNTLESS name badge is a bit confusing. Your question should be taken as an example of that confusion and how the manufacturer has muddied the water around this line of boats.
As mentioned, the DAUNTLESS badge has been applied to boats like the relatively low-freeboard 22-foot hull and to boats like the relatively high-freeboard 14-foot hull. It has also been used with center console boats and with a few dual console boats.
In short, it is hard to say what constitutes the DAUNTLESS name badge other than whatever Boston Whaler calls a Dauntless this year. It is a good sounding model name, so it is impossible for them not to use it over and over again, even if there is little consistency in the application of the name to particular styles of boat.
posted 08-17-2002 02:25 PM ET (US)
I have a D15 with a 70hp Johnson 2 cycle on it.
I live on a large river that gets whipped up into some pretty good chop. Plus there are some serious boat wakes here - with large vessels going back and forth.
I bought the D15 exactly for its sea handling characteristics. I would not hesitate to take this boat on the ocean or larger bodies of water. Its got excellent freeboard, the deep V hull is very very smooth and dry in waves.
In point of fact, today we have 35-40mph winds out of the west (I live on the west side of the river). The kids and I (little - 8 and 10) are going to go out to the other side, just to see what its like and how big the waves get. That's how much confidence I have in the seakeeping abilities of this boat. I am sure that it will be very dry - to the point that I won't even bring the foul weather gear.
We have pounded through some major waves with this rig and the shape of it really sheds the spray. I have never felt that I needed foul weather gear (except for rain).
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