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Andy posted 09-18-2002 07:29 PM ET (US)   Profile for Andy   Send Email to Andy  
Whaler Enthusiasts;

I am looking for information from someone who owns a 290 outrage or 295 conquest. I am looking into buying one, but have some questions to ask. I am concerned about the shape of the hull at the stern. Because of the indention of the hull under the water line, supposedly reverse thrust is lost and manuvering in reverse or turning into the wind can be a problem. Can someone give some valid information based on experience with these models?

kglinz posted 09-18-2002 09:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for kglinz  Send Email to kglinz     
Andy
I have a 28 Conquest and don't think the "indention" causes any problem. The boat isn't the easest thing to handle in wind or current. Backing, I use a combination of differential power and steering with the wheel.The engines are too close together to use strictly differential steering. I'm sure it handles as good as a Grady or Pursuit.
Andy posted 09-18-2002 09:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Andy  Send Email to Andy     
Thanks for the info. I have seen boats try to turn in reverse but never turn although the engines are turned port or starboard. I've had people tell me it was caused mostly by the indention or the transom not going straight down to the hull. Some of the water being sent under the boat is being trapped against the indention and thrust is lost

How is the power on your boat. the 290 has a dry weight of 7700 lbs without the engines and the 295 is 8500 lbs. test results show the 295 with twin 225 opti with 19" props

RPM MPH Knots GPH
2500 16.4 14.3 16.0
3000 25.0 21.7 17.4
3500 30.8 26.8 23.0

do you think this is enough engine or would you go to the twin 250s

kglinz posted 09-18-2002 10:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for kglinz  Send Email to kglinz     
Andy
Mine weighs 13k wet and loaded. I,ve seen those numbers and they are way off on my boat. My normal cruise is 23 Knots at 3900 RPM to 29Kts at 4200 RPM Any thing below 20 KTS it drops off plane.3000 RPM gives you about 12 KTS pushing water.In rough water I trim full down and run about 22 at 4200 RPM.I had 225 Optis with 17" pitch Mirage Plus props. Topped out at 42 KTS at 5400 Rpm. Took off my Optis and am waiting for 225 4 Strokes. Have Copperpoxy bottom coat which is fairly smooth.
dhlaw posted 09-18-2002 10:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for dhlaw  Send Email to dhlaw     
I agree, the numbers you posted are way off. My 28 Conquest with twin 225 Optis and bottom paint turns 4400 rpms and goes 30 knots. That is about my cruising speed. It will not go much lower than 3800 rpms and maintain a good plane. This is a big boat with alot of weight. As far as handling is concerned I have never had a problem. I am able to spin, back and dock with ease. These are great boats, especially with family.
dhlaw posted 09-18-2002 10:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for dhlaw  Send Email to dhlaw     
By the way that is with 17 props....
JoeyP posted 09-18-2002 11:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoeyP  Send Email to JoeyP     
Kglinz, what's the story with switching to four strokes outboards? That must be some job time and cost wise. New guages and controls as well. Did you have problems with the optis or just wear them out?
kglinz posted 09-18-2002 11:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for kglinz  Send Email to kglinz     
JoeyP
I just didn't feel I had the reliability I wanted.I go north from the Seattle area up into British Columbia for about 3 months out of the year.Its an area of big tides and swift currents. Days of no radio contact or cell phone. I hope I am doing the right thing. Time will tell.
dogface posted 09-19-2002 02:50 AM ET (US)     Profile for dogface  Send Email to dogface     
Manuverability is not an issue this boat will spin on a dime. Agree with the others on performance numbers. I did switch to Rev 4 props.
Dave
dhlaw posted 09-19-2002 07:07 AM ET (US)     Profile for dhlaw  Send Email to dhlaw     
You may want to test run some four strokes before you repower. My experience has been that they are a little soft in the midrange where a boat like this really needs pulling power. 250 2 strokes seem like a better idea, or even 300's for that matter. Or be patient and Yamaha will be releasing a supercharged version of the four strokes in 300 horse versions that should address the midrange issues.
lhg posted 09-19-2002 03:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
What's this? Could this be the first sign that Yamaha will getting Mercury's new supercharging technology. What do you know?
Do we even have any real confirmation that even Mercury is working on this technolgy?
dogface posted 09-19-2002 09:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for dogface  Send Email to dogface     
Yamaha and Mercury and very much in bed together. BLowers are in the future for all large 4 stroke motors, it's the only way they can get the power out of em as the 2 strokes.
DWS
msc posted 09-20-2002 11:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for msc  Send Email to msc     
Andy, I have a 28 outrage and can only agree with the other postings. Reverse, spinning and performance for me is virtually identical.
Andy posted 09-20-2002 12:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for Andy  Send Email to Andy     
Thanks to everyone for their help. I will let you know if I buy the 290 Outrage. Hopefully on the weekend of 10/5

Andy

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