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What Color Pate Tank?
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posted 11-20-2002 08:53 AM ET (US)
What color is the tank for the Montauk 170? When I went to order the 27-gallon tank, Pate asks which color I wanted cream or white. He also stated that I would not need the mounting brackets for the 2003, is the pilot seat different on the 2003? I do not want to send them a check and get the tank in the wrong color and not have all the hardware to install.
posted 11-20-2002 02:36 PM ET (US)
White. That boat is definately not tan.
posted 03-24-2004 01:28 PM ET (US)
I'm planning on ordering Pate 27 in a month or so and was hoping to confirm the color. Is 'white' the correct color on a '04 170? I would think so but they call their 'tan', 'Whaler white'.
Just checking with the pros!
posted 03-24-2004 01:55 PM ET (US)
White, definitely white.
posted 03-24-2004 02:40 PM ET (US)
I can see where Don is confused about this. All the pictures I've seen of the 170s with the Pate tank looks like everyone is ordering white... and it doesn't look to me like it matches the 170 interior. For example,
I know the 150 Sport hull is white, but the interior is definitely NOT white. It contrasts with the white hull, plastic rod holders, and cushions. That's one of the reasons I bought an Icom vs a Standard VHF. And the tan Porta-Potti matches the interior pretty closely.
Not being familiar with Classic whalers, is the tan on them (the one Pate matches) much darker than that on the 170 interior (the hull is definitely?
posted 03-25-2004 08:11 AM ET (US)
I don't know why they said that you don't need the mounting brackets for the 2003... but you don't.
I haven't received my Pate C27 yet but I'm ready for it. I removed the stock tank hold downs and filled the holes with Marine Tex epoxy. Then I added a SS eye on each side of the RPS at the aluminum angle bracket that bolts the RPS to the Deck. I have a rubber bungee running from eye to eye holding down the two stock plastic tanks at present.
I made the eyes by bending pad eyes to form a closed loop with the holes aligned. I replaced the center bolt with a longer one that would allow for the extra thickness and the deed was done.
posted 03-25-2004 02:06 PM ET (US)
Hey Uncle Pug!
This is Don, who wrote you on the Scubaboard as 170.
Thanks for your comments on tank rack placement. Back on this subject, what color did you order, white?
posted 03-25-2004 06:52 PM ET (US)
Yes I ordered white... and then I remembered that BW white was tan... or something like that... so I called them and said, "I want white as in WHITE ~ for a new Montauk 170".
The fellow on the other end said, "OK, yes white. The tanks for the new ones are white."
So I figure it is about a 50/50 chance I'll get a white white tank instead of a tan white tank.
posted 03-25-2004 07:22 PM ET (US)
I ordered and got the white 27. It looks good. I don't know how dark the creme is, but I told them that I had the '04 and they knew the color. I have it mounted with blocks of starboard fore and aft and white bungee material and stainless hooks to hold it down. I used the chromed loops used for a bimini top to hook the bungee's on. I then machined the aft blocks so the lip hooks over the bottom lip of the tank. I probably didn't even need the bungee material. There is plenty of clearance above the filler cap to open and close for refueling.
posted 03-25-2004 07:30 PM ET (US)
Clearance for the cap was my one concern so I am glad to hear that it is all good. :-)
I noticed that most of the pictures I've seen show two bungees fore to aft and the blocks like you put in but I didn't want to drill any holes in the deck.
I will have just one strap going across the top of the tank from side to side. I plan to use a quick release camover transom strap. The RPS on the 2003 has a lid and by unscrewing that (and I am leaving it unscrewed but snapped to the cushion) I have access to the top of the tank and the hold down strap.
posted 03-25-2004 08:41 PM ET (US)
Uncle,yea you are lucky on the access on the RPS. The 04's don't have that. I am going to try to fit Dry Dek under the tank too. Right now I have a gortex gasket material under it, but there should be room for the dry dek tiles. I got about 70 tiles from Dry Dek a month ago, cause I'm going to line the deck with it to protect it from my dive cylinders. BTW, I am still waiting for my Viking from Bob3. There is enough room to turn the cap off and get it out of the way. The 27 sticks out so the cap just clears the seat.
posted 03-25-2004 08:56 PM ET (US)
Are you on Scuba Board?
DryDeck... I used 50 to do mine. I figure on cutting them to fit the back edge of the Pate tank to keep it from sliding back. I wasn't going to put anything under it.
posted 03-25-2004 09:38 PM ET (US)
Yeah, I tend to drop in there once and a while also. You had quite a boat naming thread on there. Did you come up with a name for your craft yet? I was afraid I ordered too many. It sounds like I did if you used 50. I will put a few in the anchor well too. I will put my extra's on the unmoderated board here when I'm done with my project.
posted 03-25-2004 10:15 PM ET (US)
There were some names that I really liked but nothing has really rung the bell yet.
On laying the drydek... you were smart to order extra! I originally bought 40 on a Westmarine sale and had to go back for 10 more later.
Did Pate recommend putting something under the tank or was that your own idea? Is it necessary?
I plan on leaving the Quicksilver fuel fittings on the hose so that if I need to switch to the extra tanks on a long trip I can. Did you hard connect or did you leave the quick disconnect fitting?
posted 03-25-2004 10:31 PM ET (US)
Pate didn't have any input, but then again I didn't ask them for any. I just thought the air flow under the tank might be nice for mold control and cleaning. I did put a barbed fitting on it, but the more I think about it , maybe I should have kept the quick connect. Now I have to find it. As soon as I get it out of storage, I am going to mount Roll Control rails and cylinder clamps and pole holders on the gunwales. I got the stuff, now all I need is the boat in my garage before I put it in the marina slip to do a few mods.
posted 03-26-2004 08:41 AM ET (US)
Re Judging color from JPEG files seen on CRT displays.
The short answer: Impossible.
I strongly advise not to make color judgments based on images viewed on a CRT using your browser. There are many technical reasons for this.
As an example, the background fields of the messages in this thread alternate between two shades of off-white. I have seen these colors rendered on many displays and seldom are the hues shown in what I would term their true shade.
For example, generally the overall background is pure white, and the lighter of the two text field backgrounds an off-white. Does your display system show this difference?
posted 03-26-2004 10:41 AM ET (US)
Yes, it does. That's about the difference between the new interiors and white.
posted 03-26-2004 10:54 AM ET (US)
I actually repainted my tank in an attempt to match the inner shell. Unfortunately after it was all done it still did not match. It was more work then it was worth.
posted 03-26-2004 02:31 PM ET (US)
I have a 27 gallon White Pate on my 2003 170, it doesn't match exactly perfect but looks great and is the single best option that I put on my boat. Of course the other option to go with is the 2, 6.5 gallon standard tanks, and they're red, and that doesn't exactly match either. Does anyone have the tan version of the Pate 27?
posted 03-26-2004 07:43 PM ET (US)
If you don't expect to need the quick disconnect from the
Pate tank, don't do it. It's a point of failure, and one
that failed for me.
posted 03-27-2004 02:47 PM ET (US)
I believe I've found the answer to my own color question in the Cetecea section of ContinuousWave, on page 64, starting with photo 64-10, titled Classic Side by Side, and running through 64-12, titled Classic vs Classic. Notable is picture 64-11, titled Desert Tan and Whaler White.
Bearing in mind Jim's admonishion about monitor color accuracy, Matt Irwin's 170 should be slightly tanner than white, as I noted in my comment above, about the difference between the white page background and the lighter tan bars in these messages. In every picture of a white Pate tank in a 170, you should be able to see the difference. In fact, if you look closely at the 170 in 64-11, you can see the bow appears white where the sun washed out the picture (about the same as the white cushions), but the cockpit sole and transom are light tan (on my monitor anyway).
But it's clear in these pictures that the Desert Tan of Larry Eaton's Katama is a lot darker, perhaps not quite as dark as the darker tan bars in these messages, but significantly darker than the 170 tan.
My conclusion is that a "Desert Tan" Pate tank would contrast with the 170 interior color at least as much, or perhaps even more than, the white tank contrasts with it.
posted 03-28-2004 12:33 PM ET (US)
White it is!
posted 04-01-2004 12:42 PM ET (US)
I received and installed the Pate C27 under the RPS on my 2003 Montauk 170.
At first I installed it in the standard orientation but didn't like the hose connection and filler cap locations.
So I turned it around. Since the seat top lifts up on the 2003 RPS access is easy for filling as well as moving the hose to the portable 6.6 gal jugs.
The only pictures I have posted are on Scuba Board and you need to sign on to view them... but several of you in this thread are alread on SB so here they are:
posted 04-01-2004 01:13 PM ET (US)
I forgot to add the part that is germane to this thread in my exuberance over installing my tank backwards....
.... the pictures show clearly the color difference between Pate White and Montauk 170 White.
posted 04-01-2004 03:30 PM ET (US)
Nice installation, probably the cleanest looking one I've seen. With the recent nice weather and pictures like this I'm getting anxious for my boat to show up!
posted 04-01-2004 08:16 PM ET (US)
I will be installing my Pate C24 in a few days. Nice pictures! I am still undecided in what I will use to plug the holes from the old hardware - 5200 or Marine Tex. When working with the Marine Tex, how did you go about cleaning up the excess and how messy was it to use? From what I've heard, 5200 cleans up pretty easily with alcohol. Thanks.
posted 04-02-2004 12:27 AM ET (US)
I didn't want to wait for 5200 to dry.
Marine Tex is a two part epoxy and mixed right it kicks over and hardens quickly (after an adequate working time.)
I cleaned the area around the holes with lacquer thinner since I had some on hand and it dries fast.
After mixing the Marine Tex on a yogut lid with a wooden dixie cup spoon I used a tooth pick to poke some down the holes and smear it around in a little twirl on top of each.
Then I took some pieces of Saran Wrap and placed them over each patched hole and smoothed it down with my finger.
I tested the left over Marine Tex to see when it was kicking over and at just the right time I removed the Saran Wrap and trimmed up any lumps gingerly with a sharp chisel while they were still soft enough to cut easily but no longer sticky.
Only clean up necessary was to dust up the trimmings.
Thanks for the nice comments about the photos guys.
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