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Victor posted 11-25-2002 12:15 PM ET (US)   Profile for Victor   Send Email to Victor  
I want to buy the new Montauk or a 16 Dauntless. Which would handle rough water on Lake Michigan better? I do not go out on rough days, but conditions can change quickly. I can go no longer than 17 feet due to storage restrictions. Thanks.
Jimm posted 11-25-2002 02:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jimm    
Victor, welcome. You may try the below listed links or better still go to both the "general" topics and the "classic" topics, then go to page top where it says, "show topics for past 10 days". Use the drop down to make it say two years.Hit the "go" button and sit tight for a minute or two if you have a 56K line. When all the topics appear, start to go through them until you see something that interests you. Have a good time reading...Jim

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/000438.html

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/000402.html

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/000470.html

captbone posted 11-25-2002 03:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for captbone  Send Email to captbone     
My opinion! Don't even look at the 16 Dauntless, the 170 montauk is amuch better boat for everything. Buy the Montauk!
millerbr posted 11-25-2002 04:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for millerbr  Send Email to millerbr     
I can not speak for the Montauk, but I have a Dauntless 160 that I use on Lake Michigan and have been quite pleased with so far.
mbking1 posted 11-25-2002 07:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for mbking1  Send Email to mbking1     
Montauk.....
tabasco posted 11-25-2002 10:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for tabasco  Send Email to tabasco     
MONTAUK 170
Marlin posted 11-26-2002 12:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for Marlin  Send Email to Marlin     
Victor, I just went through this same decision, and contrary to most of these folks who are classic and neo-classic lovers, I went with the Dauntless.

Here's what I liked better about the Dauntless:
- deeper V hull should give a smoother ride
- "real" aft quarter seats
- wife liked it better
- 45 gal. internal fuel tank
- 115 hp EFI 4-stroke
- wife liked it better
- more storage
- did I mention my wife liked it better?

When you're spending a big bunch of money, you gotta make sure everybody's happy.

On the other hand, I really liked the new Montauk for its classic looks (no space-wasting Euro transom!), the larger bow area, and its elegant simplicity. What's not to like???

Long-term demand, and thus resale value, will probably be better on the Montauk. On the other hand, the smokin' deal I got on the Dauntless goes a long way towards making up for that. Don't buy one near list price.

If you can get the prices fairly close together, then I don't think you can really go wrong either way; they're both beautifully-made boats with the usual Whaler qualities.

millerbr posted 11-26-2002 03:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for millerbr  Send Email to millerbr     
I'm just wondering how many of those that say to definitely go with the Montauk over the Dauntless have ever actually spent anytime out on the water in the Dauntless. I don't mean this to be a flame, I'm just curious what these posts are based on. For me, I love my Dauntless, but I might not know what I am missing out on because I've never been out on a Montauk.
RioRaft posted 11-26-2002 03:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for RioRaft    
Victor they are realy quite different boats, if you can try out both. There seems to be more creature comforts and storage room on the Dauntless but slightly more room to move on the Montauk. I for one ordered a 170 Montauk in April (thanks to Tabasco's input)with a promise of delivery in May. May came and went and BW made me a deal that was pretty hot on a Dauntless 16, I opted to wait for the Montauk with a July delivery. July came and went and BW said they were out of 2002s, my boat would be a 2003 and delivered in September. At this point BW made me a deal on a Dauntless 16 that actually amazed me we were within $1200 of the price of my Montauk with the same options. The Montauk finally arrived in October, turned out to be the correct boat for me, I'm happy I waited. The real story here is if you opt for the Dauntless 16 make them move way down off the list price, I'm talking 6 or 7K$. The good part is they are both Whalers and it's nice to have a choice in the 17 foot range.
Bigshot posted 11-26-2002 03:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Now with that response I would go with the dauntless at $1200 more, just for resale sake.
Jimm posted 11-26-2002 04:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jimm    
I wonder if the Dauntless will hold it's value. Supply and demand and right now the demand is for the M170 and not much demand for the smaller Dauntless.
Homes4You posted 11-26-2002 05:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for Homes4You  Send Email to Homes4You     
Seems the two boats are very similar. With all the interest and demand for the MT 170, the Dauntless 160 may soon be history. The two boats seem to appeal to the same buyer, and with the deep discounts/rebates being offered on the Dauntless it could be in its last leg of production. I've been looking at the classic Montauks and have seen there value rise over the years for used ones. I believe the new MT170 will carry on the same demand and appeal.
James posted 11-26-2002 11:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for James  Send Email to James     
I looked hard at the 16 Dauntless before I purchased the 170. I like the layout of the 16 Dauntless much better than the 18 Dauntless, but I found that the 16 Dauntless was just a little too crowded for me. I have spoken with people who use the 16 and they suggest the 115 HP engine. Planing and boat trim under a load with the 90 HP appears to be an issue of concern for some.

The 16 has a nice V which cuts the waves well, possibly better than the 170 and from a distance it actually looks to me like a classic Whaler. However, the role of the 16 is now muddied by the 170.

James.

Victor posted 11-26-2002 11:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for Victor  Send Email to Victor     
Thanks to all for the richness of opinion and insight. I'll not make a decision before February, 03. But I'll let you know how it works out!
fno posted 11-27-2002 04:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for fno  Send Email to fno     
victor, I have a Dauntless 16 and ahve been in many a Montauk although not the new 170 which has a hull that is more like a Dauntless than a traditional Montauk. Bottom line is: Montauk =space,versatility,better off the line performance and whaler ass. The Dauntless= better ride, creature comforts, 45 gals. gas, more storage space, and also some whaler ass but not as much. You will enjoy either boat, just need to define your needs.
controller posted 11-28-2002 11:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for controller  Send Email to controller     
I have a 2001 160 dauntless and love the boat. i like the internal gas tank, real back seats and storage under the rps. I have been on tabasco's boat and liked the ride, very smooth and dry and it seemed a little wider than my boat.

But it is missing storage, and in my opinion you need all the storage you can get.

He also has a larger engine than wha whaler sells them with. I have a merc 115 and it seems plenty powerful.

Good luck

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