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New 170 Montauk vs. used 17 Outrage
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posted 11-27-2002 04:26 PM ET (US)
Another comparison for you all: Given the choice between a new 170 Montauk and a 2-3 year old 17 Outrage (fresh water low hours), which would you choose? They seem to be in the same price range. Does anyone have experience in a 17 Outrage with a 135 Merc? How fast, how's the ride, etc...
What is a good out the door price for a 170 Montauk with the 4 stroke?
who got the best deal and where? or is BW not dealing because of demand?
posted 11-27-2002 05:15 PM ET (US)
I prefer to buy things new. It is almost a phobia for me. Prior to the introduction of the 170 I was avidly looking for a 17 Outrage in left-over/new condition. A used one in mint condition with the options that I wanted may have sufficed. I never found that late model 17 Outrage boat and the 170 came along. So I bought one.
I primarily fish, and I also do a little coastal exploring with the family. I make do with the 170 and it seems fine.
However, for my inshore/offshore fishing use I feel that the 17 Outrage with its deeper-V hull, larger console electronics area, larger storage capacity, built-in fish and storage lockers, built-in rod holders, built-in bait tank and built-in relatively large fuel tank features is better, and had BW offered the Outrage model new when I purchased the 170, I would have bought the 17 Outrage instead.
A 17 with a 135HP is not going to get you late to too many parties. I would have chosen a 115HP 4-stroke, preferably by Yamaha, but based on my 90 HP Mercury 4-stroke experience with the 170, the similar Mercury 115HP 4-stroke would have sufficed.
posted 11-29-2002 10:41 AM ET (US)
Let me begin by saying I am biased because I have a 2000 18' Outrage, but I did look at the 170 and the 17' Outrage when I bought it last spring.
The 17' Outrage will give you more than the 170 Montauk will. If the cost is simmillar I would take the Outrage.
As James said it will give you more storage options, as well as the built in fuel tank.
It will also provide a smoother ride in my opinion (more weight and deeper V).
I have a 150 Optimax on the 18'. The 135 and the 150 are basically the same engine. The 18' is significantly heavier than the 17' but mine moves very quickly. The 135 should be more than enough for the 17'.
posted 11-29-2002 01:23 PM ET (US)
As a previous owner of a 1997 Outrage 17 (just sold the day before Thanksgiving), I definitely agree with BillD. The Outrage 17 has many more features for the money.
1. Built in Fuel Tank
2. Real Quarter seats with Cushions and Storage underneath.
3. Larger Console with Locking Electronics Box.
4. Huge Fish Well or Storage Locker built in the Hull
5. If you have an RPS, you can put a 94 qt. cooler under there for more storage. Either food & beverages or Dry items.
6. 6" Longer and a couple inches wider.
7. More Freeboard.
8. More "Rated HP". The Outrage is rated at 150 HP and the Montauk at 90 HP.
My Outrage 17 had the 115 HP and it was fast enough for me although if you consistenly run with more then 2 people, and Water Ski, you may want more HP...
I am not putting the 170 Montauk down, it is a very nice boat. I just think for the money, my choice would be, and was, the Outrage 17.
The major reason we sold the Outrage 17 is because my wife and I love the "Classic" Look and Feel... We have owned a 1978 Montauk for 15 years and now we also own a 1985 Outrage 18. We plan on keeping both boats.
posted 11-29-2002 03:42 PM ET (US)
Although somewhat of an inconvenience, I'd suggest basing your decision on test rides of both boats. Pick a windy day.
posted 12-04-2002 12:51 PM ET (US)
Just when I had my mind made up for a New Montauk this topic appears. I'm coming out of a Grady White walk around, and love to fish offshore but keeping a boat just for that purpose for a week or so a year was not reasonable so I opted to sell the Grady,much to my wifes disappointment. I have friends with big boats and they live in the Keys so for beer, bait and Ice they will probably take me along.
Any more comments on the virtues of the ride and capabilites of each boat would be appreciated. I want a boat easy on gas that can wander offshore ocasionally on a nice day 0' to 4' or less preferably
posted 12-04-2002 01:33 PM ET (US)
I would go for the Outrage and also agree with the reasons above. Being the owner of a Conquest and a Montauk, if I had to have just one I would go with the Outrage. Actually I did! But now I have two Whalers so I am selling the Outrage...
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