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11 footer posted 11-30-2002 06:09 PM ET (US)
For all I know this could be old [news]. I was talking to a Whaler rep today and he told me that 2003 will be the last year the 120 IMPACT will be part of the Whaler lineup.
11
PMUCCIOLO posted 12-03-2002 11:52 AM ET (US)
That's a shame. I'm sorry to hear it. What a loss.
JBCornwell posted 12-03-2002 12:32 PM ET (US)
Get you tongue out of your cheek before you bite it off, Paul.:))
Red sky at night. . .
JB
Dick posted 12-03-2002 03:25 PM ET (US)
Does that make it a classic?
BW23 posted 12-03-2002 03:42 PM ET (US)
It's amazing what those MBA types are approving past the design stages.
Jimm posted 12-03-2002 04:07 PM ET (US)
Eleven - don't hold back; let it all out. :)
BOB KEMMLER JR posted 12-03-2002 04:50 PM ET (US)
Yea i heard they were like 18 grand,thats insane!!! I wonder how many they actually sold?i've never seen one outside of a catalog.
PMUCCIOLO posted 12-03-2002 05:09 PM ET (US)
Bob,
I have had the distinct (dis)pleasure of seeing an Impact 120 on the water. I shuddered and turned away before I turned to stone. Who came up with that [bad] idea? I'm glad I lived to share my experience.
JBCornwell posted 12-03-2002 05:13 PM ET (US)
Seeing the Whaler (genuflect) logo on that boat hurts like my tongue hurts when I accidentally staple it to the wall along with my favorite centerfold.
Red sky at night. . .
JB
mfrymier posted 12-05-2002 12:32 PM ET (US)
Let me say something about the impact from a different standpoint. I've taught sailing to 13-17 year olds from behind the wheel of a classic Montauk and a classic 13 for about 15 years. These whalers are great from the standpoint of stability, manouverability, etc. The one problem they have is that during the very frequent "come up alongside" type scenarious that come during the day, we end up banging up both the sailboats and the whalers -- this is good for no one. so after hundreds and hundreds of yacht clubs using whalers as "crash" boats for years, many have changed to RIB's. The impact is whaler's answer to this -- whaler durability combined with the "soft sides" of a rib. My personal opinion is that BW should offer an Impact "option" on all the 17' and under boats....because I agree that the true 12' impact is not a wonderful boat. I can tell you however that a Montauk 170 with an impact collar would be the ultimate yacht club crash boat.... my .02 anyway.
cheers and happy holidays.
mf
BOB KEMMLER JR posted 12-05-2002 01:43 PM ET (US)
You make a very valid point,i just think they could have priced it a little more realistically.A price of about $6500 would make that boat a little more realistic,bumpers or no bumpers,18 grand for that thing is nuts.
PMUCCIOLO posted 12-05-2002 02:54 PM ET (US)
mfrymier,
I have seen larger Boston Whalers at the Commercial and Government Products facility with foam collars on them. Boston Whaler still makes the 21' Impact, but these collars were on Guardian hulls. It was an interesting (and unsightly) addition, but would serve the purpose you have described well.
hardensheetmetal posted 12-05-2002 04:25 PM ET (US)
Someone else once posted a link to the company that makes the foam collar for the CPD Whaler (Impact). I believe they are out of RI somewhere.
Dan
jimh posted 12-05-2002 11:49 PM ET (US)
I am sure the IMPACT had some supporters who liked it for use as a tender. The foam collar would have provided plenty of fendering to keep the gel coat on those 50-foot Sea Rays from being scratched.
The price was rather high, and that may have affected sales, too.
It was rumored that at one point some Sea Ray dealers were throwing in an IMPACT as part of a package deal on big Sea Ray cruisers.
It would not be a great boat for 14-year boys to go tearing around Lake Erie, but it was well suited for the family to come over to the yacht club from their huge Sea Ray anchored in the roadstead.
11 footer posted 12-06-2002 10:16 AM ET (US)
Whaler had the right idea when they made the Impact. But there seems to me that anyone who wanted a soft sided tender would juse buy a rib for less then half of what an Impact cost.
11
11 footer posted 12-06-2002 10:18 AM ET (US)
Well,,,,,um,,,,
I think that jim will just fix my last post, I hit tab and posted it before reading it over.
11
lhg posted 12-09-2002 02:43 PM ET (US)
I just picked up a 2003 catalog and Impact is not in it. Nor is the 34' Defiance. I guess they both bombed out. Lots of R&D money lost there.
11 footer posted 12-10-2002 08:38 PM ET (US)
The impact was at the 2003 boat show,
Whats up with this?
11
lhg posted 12-11-2002 06:49 PM ET (US)
Often when BW drops a model, they still leave it in their promotions and website so that the Dealers can get rid of leftover inventory without making it look like a dropped (and hence unsuccessful) model.
Does anybody know what's going on with the Defiance? I know it's been a terrible seller.
jimh posted 12-12-2002 12:32 AM ET (US)
My understanding of the Whaler factory/dealer relationship is that the dealer buys the boats from the factory, which makes them on order.
If a dealer has an unsold IMPACT he might well take it to a boat show to try to sell it. Just because Whaler has stopped making them does not impose a ban on dealers selling ones they have on hand.
That is "what's up with that".
TheSkipper posted 12-12-2002 12:07 PM ET (US)
At the Detroit boat show last year, I was told by more than one dealer that they are only allowed to exhibit current model year boats. They told me they were not even allowed to display brand new boats from previous model years.
11 footer posted 12-12-2002 09:01 PM ET (US)
Hey skip,
I have heard that before too. The Impact was most likley there because the guy wanted to sell it like Jim said. I think that they are haveing a boat show in Boston in Fed so I will see it I can learn a more about this then.
11
jimh posted 12-14-2002 12:38 AM ET (US)
Skipper mentions a policy that prohibits exhibition of non-current model boats at boat shows, but I would like to hear some elaboration on this. Is this policy enforced on the Whaler dealers by the Whaler factory?
Maybe it is a boat show policy enforced by the exhibitor running the whole boat show. (You mention talking to "more than one dealer" but I only recall seeing one Whale dealer at that show, Colony Marine).
Please follow up with more details if available.
11 footer posted 12-14-2002 10:26 AM ET (US)
Jim,
I plan on going to the boat show in February, so I will try to get the policey strate then.
11
TheSkipper posted 12-15-2002 02:26 PM ET (US)
By "more than one dealer" I did not mean only Boston Whaler dealers. I looked at number of center consoles in the 17' to 20', including Grady White, Wellcraft, Fishhawk, and some others. One of the boats I was looking at was the 160 Dauntless, a model in which the 2001 and 2002 models appear to be identical. When I was checking the hull number to see what year the boat was, I was told that they were only allowed to display current model year boats. I was also told the same thing by some Crownline sales representatives. (By the way, the Crownline sales representatives were very helpful in answering numerous questions about the differences between Mercury's Optimax engines and the Yamaha HPDIs, even though they knew I was not going to buy a boat from them.)
Dick posted 12-15-2002 03:18 PM ET (US)
Boat show policy varies from place to place and is imposed by the organization putting the show on.
All of the shows I have been in required that only new boats could be shown and most required that they must be the current model year. I and I am sure others have gotten around the current year problem by displaying the boat so the serial number couldn't be seen.
jimh posted 12-15-2002 10:15 PM ET (US)
Skipper--That is what I thought. The "only current model" policy is from the exhibitor/oganizer of the show, not from the Boston Whaler factory.
The reason the Crownline dealer was so helpful: you were probably the first person to come up and talk to them during the whole show.
:-)

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Author	Topic: Whaler To Drop IMPACT?
11 footer	posted 11-30-2002 06:09 PM ET (US) For all I know this could be old [news]. I was talking to a Whaler rep today and he told me that 2003 will be the last year the 120 IMPACT will be part of the Whaler lineup. 11
PMUCCIOLO	posted 12-03-2002 11:52 AM ET (US) That's a shame. I'm sorry to hear it. What a loss.
JBCornwell	posted 12-03-2002 12:32 PM ET (US) Get you tongue out of your cheek before you bite it off, Paul.:)) Red sky at night. . . JB
Dick	posted 12-03-2002 03:25 PM ET (US) Does that make it a classic?
BW23	posted 12-03-2002 03:42 PM ET (US) It's amazing what those MBA types are approving past the design stages.
Jimm	posted 12-03-2002 04:07 PM ET (US) Eleven - don't hold back; let it all out. :)
BOB KEMMLER JR	posted 12-03-2002 04:50 PM ET (US) Yea i heard they were like 18 grand,thats insane!!! I wonder how many they actually sold?i've never seen one outside of a catalog.
PMUCCIOLO	posted 12-03-2002 05:09 PM ET (US) Bob, I have had the distinct (dis)pleasure of seeing an Impact 120 on the water. I shuddered and turned away before I turned to stone. Who came up with that [bad] idea? I'm glad I lived to share my experience.
JBCornwell	posted 12-03-2002 05:13 PM ET (US) Seeing the Whaler (genuflect) logo on that boat hurts like my tongue hurts when I accidentally staple it to the wall along with my favorite centerfold. Red sky at night. . . JB
mfrymier	posted 12-05-2002 12:32 PM ET (US) Let me say something about the impact from a different standpoint. I've taught sailing to 13-17 year olds from behind the wheel of a classic Montauk and a classic 13 for about 15 years. These whalers are great from the standpoint of stability, manouverability, etc. The one problem they have is that during the very frequent "come up alongside" type scenarious that come during the day, we end up banging up both the sailboats and the whalers -- this is good for no one. so after hundreds and hundreds of yacht clubs using whalers as "crash" boats for years, many have changed to RIB's. The impact is whaler's answer to this -- whaler durability combined with the "soft sides" of a rib. My personal opinion is that BW should offer an Impact "option" on all the 17' and under boats....because I agree that the true 12' impact is not a wonderful boat. I can tell you however that a Montauk 170 with an impact collar would be the ultimate yacht club crash boat.... my .02 anyway. cheers and happy holidays. mf
BOB KEMMLER JR	posted 12-05-2002 01:43 PM ET (US) You make a very valid point,i just think they could have priced it a little more realistically.A price of about $6500 would make that boat a little more realistic,bumpers or no bumpers,18 grand for that thing is nuts.
PMUCCIOLO	posted 12-05-2002 02:54 PM ET (US) mfrymier, I have seen larger Boston Whalers at the Commercial and Government Products facility with foam collars on them. Boston Whaler still makes the 21' Impact, but these collars were on Guardian hulls. It was an interesting (and unsightly) addition, but would serve the purpose you have described well.
hardensheetmetal	posted 12-05-2002 04:25 PM ET (US) Someone else once posted a link to the company that makes the foam collar for the CPD Whaler (Impact). I believe they are out of RI somewhere. Dan
jimh	posted 12-05-2002 11:49 PM ET (US) I am sure the IMPACT had some supporters who liked it for use as a tender. The foam collar would have provided plenty of fendering to keep the gel coat on those 50-foot Sea Rays from being scratched. The price was rather high, and that may have affected sales, too. It was rumored that at one point some Sea Ray dealers were throwing in an IMPACT as part of a package deal on big Sea Ray cruisers. It would not be a great boat for 14-year boys to go tearing around Lake Erie, but it was well suited for the family to come over to the yacht club from their huge Sea Ray anchored in the roadstead.
11 footer	posted 12-06-2002 10:16 AM ET (US) Whaler had the right idea when they made the Impact. But there seems to me that anyone who wanted a soft sided tender would juse buy a rib for less then half of what an Impact cost. 11
11 footer	posted 12-06-2002 10:18 AM ET (US) Well,,,,,um,,,, I think that jim will just fix my last post, I hit tab and posted it before reading it over. 11
lhg	posted 12-09-2002 02:43 PM ET (US) I just picked up a 2003 catalog and Impact is not in it. Nor is the 34' Defiance. I guess they both bombed out. Lots of R&D money lost there.
11 footer	posted 12-10-2002 08:38 PM ET (US) The impact was at the 2003 boat show, Whats up with this? 11
lhg	posted 12-11-2002 06:49 PM ET (US) Often when BW drops a model, they still leave it in their promotions and website so that the Dealers can get rid of leftover inventory without making it look like a dropped (and hence unsuccessful) model. Does anybody know what's going on with the Defiance? I know it's been a terrible seller.
jimh	posted 12-12-2002 12:32 AM ET (US) My understanding of the Whaler factory/dealer relationship is that the dealer buys the boats from the factory, which makes them on order. If a dealer has an unsold IMPACT he might well take it to a boat show to try to sell it. Just because Whaler has stopped making them does not impose a ban on dealers selling ones they have on hand. That is "what's up with that".
TheSkipper	posted 12-12-2002 12:07 PM ET (US) At the Detroit boat show last year, I was told by more than one dealer that they are only allowed to exhibit current model year boats. They told me they were not even allowed to display brand new boats from previous model years.
11 footer	posted 12-12-2002 09:01 PM ET (US) Hey skip, I have heard that before too. The Impact was most likley there because the guy wanted to sell it like Jim said. I think that they are haveing a boat show in Boston in Fed so I will see it I can learn a more about this then. 11
jimh	posted 12-14-2002 12:38 AM ET (US) Skipper mentions a policy that prohibits exhibition of non-current model boats at boat shows, but I would like to hear some elaboration on this. Is this policy enforced on the Whaler dealers by the Whaler factory? Maybe it is a boat show policy enforced by the exhibitor running the whole boat show. (You mention talking to "more than one dealer" but I only recall seeing one Whale dealer at that show, Colony Marine). Please follow up with more details if available.
11 footer	posted 12-14-2002 10:26 AM ET (US) Jim, I plan on going to the boat show in February, so I will try to get the policey strate then. 11
TheSkipper	posted 12-15-2002 02:26 PM ET (US) By "more than one dealer" I did not mean only Boston Whaler dealers. I looked at number of center consoles in the 17' to 20', including Grady White, Wellcraft, Fishhawk, and some others. One of the boats I was looking at was the 160 Dauntless, a model in which the 2001 and 2002 models appear to be identical. When I was checking the hull number to see what year the boat was, I was told that they were only allowed to display current model year boats. I was also told the same thing by some Crownline sales representatives. (By the way, the Crownline sales representatives were very helpful in answering numerous questions about the differences between Mercury's Optimax engines and the Yamaha HPDIs, even though they knew I was not going to buy a boat from them.)
Dick	posted 12-15-2002 03:18 PM ET (US) Boat show policy varies from place to place and is imposed by the organization putting the show on. All of the shows I have been in required that only new boats could be shown and most required that they must be the current model year. I and I am sure others have gotten around the current year problem by displaying the boat so the serial number couldn't be seen.
jimh	posted 12-15-2002 10:15 PM ET (US) Skipper--That is what I thought. The "only current model" policy is from the exhibitor/oganizer of the show, not from the Boston Whaler factory. The reason the Crownline dealer was so helpful: you were probably the first person to come up and talk to them during the whole show. :-)