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JoeyP posted 12-28-2002 06:35 PM ET (US)   Profile for JoeyP   Send Email to JoeyP  
I just returned from the NY Boat show. BW had a very impressive display. Just about every model was on display. The 32 outrage was some sight. That boat was well thought out. It has a space age helm with racing style seats which double as a leaning post. It was powered with twin 250 Merc EFI's, yes EFI's. There are Opti and 4-Stroke options available. The price tag on this particular model was a modest $160,000.
The New Merc 250 4 Stroke was NOT there. The rep told me he opted not to have it on the display because there were still too many unknowns. Whatever that meant. According to him the motor will not be available for another year. It might be on display at the Atlantic City show.
aubv posted 12-28-2002 07:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
JoeyP,

What was your impression of the show?

How was attendance?

JoeyP posted 12-28-2002 09:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoeyP  Send Email to JoeyP     
I did enjoy the show. There was a good showing from the boat makers. It was not crowded at all today. This allowed moving from place to place easy while looking around. Wait til you see the 32 Outrage.
BMR posted 12-29-2002 10:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for BMR    
I was also at the show and the price on the boat was $149,995 that included a full electronics pacakge with Radar and chart plotter. Neat boat!
jimh posted 12-29-2002 11:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Maybe there is only one display model of the 250-HP 4-stroke and they couldn't ship it to NY in time. That is really odd--a boatshow in our largest city and an engine they displayed ten months ago not exhibited.

You didn't happen to take any pictures of the new 32-footer, did you

Peter posted 12-30-2002 10:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
The NYC show is much smaller than it used to be years ago and it seemed a bit smaller this year than it did last year. My impression was a fewer number of boat vendors were there this year as compared to last year. For example, Edgewater was there last year but I didn't see them there this year. Attendance on Saturday (its first day) seemed light. One reason for the light attendance and possibly fewer exhibitors might be that the show is taking place about a week earlier than it normally does with a bulk of the show happening in the period between Christmas and New Years.

Whaler had much, if not all, of their entire line up there including the new 320 Outrage. The best way to describe the 320 Outrage is that it simply looks like a scaled up 270 Outrage. It has the same pointy "go-fast" appearance. I personally can't see laying out $150k for a 32 foot day boat, Whaler or otherwise.

The Mercury display was about the same as last year except they had several see-thru mock-ups of the fly-by-wire system. One of the dual binacle controls I observed had a switch labled "docking". I asked a representive why it had this. His explanation was that the "docking" button overides the interlock that prevents the engine from going into gear. The interlock on the control is an electronic switch rather than a mechanical device. Although the control lever may be pushed forward or backward as if to put the engine in gear, it will not do so unless the electronic interlock switch is depressed first. The "docking" button overides the interlock switch so that it does not have to be depressed each time the control lever is moved between the F-N-R positions. The representative had a difficult time explaining this to me. It seemed more complicated than it had to be. My overall impression was that the fly-by-wire system must be a cost savings move by Mercury as it did not seem to add any value to the user's boating experience unless coupled with the SmartCraft gauges and control panel, even then the value is marginal. Personally, I don't needs all that stuff to enjoy my boating experience. I would expect the fly-by-wire system, with its very flexible cable, to make rigging easier and therefore cheaper. This would be important to Whaler, as well as other Brunswick boat companies, as it does all the engine rigging at the factory. As the factory does more of the rigging, it is making more difficult for the dealers to differentiate themselves at the time of original sale.

The Yamaha area had a cut-away display of the F225 powerhead displaying the numerous moving parts of the valve train. They also had call outs for the numerous sensors this engine had to keep it running. Compared to my EFI 225, this powerhead is very complicated.

North Beach posted 01-03-2003 08:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for North Beach    
Going to the show tomorrow (sat.).
Anyone else planning on bein there--might be fun to put faces with usernames.

Dave

aubv posted 01-03-2003 09:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
North Beach,

We're going in the morning. Train or Ferry depending on weather.

I'll wear a off white Electric Boat hat w/outline of a boat(sub)

What time are you going in?

North Beach posted 01-03-2003 09:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for North Beach    
Brian:

Glad to hear you are going. Depending on my 6 yr old daughter, plan to leave Cherry Hill at 8 and get to weehawken ferry anout 945 or so.

I will be wearing a black leather jacket and blue jeans with cute little girl in tow. She will prob be good for a walk around the show before she wants to leave, but she is a good sport. May also be wearing a yellow Greenbrier baseball hat and will certainly be sporting my new "Stowe" winter beard!

Considering purchase of Furuno ls6100 fishfinder and dsf vhf radio.

Dave

North Beach posted 01-04-2003 02:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for North Beach    
AUBV:

Made the 1002 ferry from Weehawken and spent only about an hour on the floor--did not see you there.

The 32 outrage looks very impressive, but I agree with the comment that, apart from being unsinkable, there does not seem to be alot to distinguish it from other "go fasts."

Did not buy any new electronics-no time with daughter.

NB

aubv posted 01-05-2003 04:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
NB,

Sorry we missed you. We drove in as traffic was light.

We think the show was larger this year. Last year the north end of the Javits center had an area with tables, chairs, food venders and titanic slide. This year the area had boats. According to BW, they didn't have room for the 290 OR. Not sure if it was a function of spaced alotted to BW or space of show. I could easyily have used a second day there.

North Beach posted 01-05-2003 07:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for North Beach    
Great pictures, Brian. I did not have tons of time because of my daughter, but always find it hard to study boats too closely, assuming that I am not in the market for a new one. A couple of hours is always more than enough for me, unless I am looking to buy.

Dave

aubv posted 01-05-2003 09:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
Actually I like going to the show when I'm not looking to buy. It allows me to look subjectively at everything. I was amazed at what I saw mfg.'s do and present at a boat show. I saw one mfg on two different boats a 23' and a 27' have caulk that was completely contaminated with foreign objects. This was on deck joints for many linear feet.

What passes for wiring on other boats is a scary sight.

Regarding the pictures thanks, tough to get pictures without other people in them.

im4bc posted 01-14-2003 09:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for im4bc  Send Email to im4bc     
Joey P

So are you going to trade out of your conquest for one of those new 32 outrages?

im4bc

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