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Looking for comments on the 210 Ventura
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posted 01-27-2003 07:30 PM ET (US)
We are looking at a 2003 with the Merc 225 4 stroke. We intend to use the boat primarily for nearshore/offshore fishing in So. Cal with a couple of freshwater camping trips each year.
A couple of questions for anyone that has or is familiar with this model.
1) What kind of range should I expect out of the Merc 225 4-stroke (92 gallons)? I'm hoping it will get me out and back (safely) to the most productive fishing grounds around here.
2) How well does the live-well work? Does it keep your finbait "lively" or should I plan to install an after-market tank on the swimstep or cockpit floor. Also anyone know how large (gallons) this thing is? Will it keep a full scoop of dines alive? The tank seems small to me but at least it is shaped right?
3) Are both the port and starboard console storage areas supposed to be lockable? (Just the starboard console had a lockable hatch on the boat I saw).
4) Is the in-floor fishbox supposed to have a gas strut like the anchor locker?
5) I intend to have an aluminum(or stainless) fish/radar arch installed. Unfortunately whaler doesn't offer such a beast. According to the Whaler dealer and wood locating diagram there should (?) be sufficient structure available to mount an arch. Anyone done this to a whaler or have an idea if it is feasible to do?
5) Can anyone recommend a top-of-the-line aluminum trailer that can properly support this hull. I'd like to stay away from the keel rollers unless somebody with first-hand experience can convince me that it is worth the extra expense (and more importantly maintenance) I'd expect to have with a keel roller.
I know I should be looking at the 210 (or even 240) outrage instead but I need the boat to double as a ski/wakeboard boat and the extra glass and canvas sure is nice when you are offshore faced with a long afternoon/evening ride home when the wind and swell pick up.
Thanks for any input/comments you can provide.
posted 01-28-2003 09:47 AM ET (US)
While I like the 21' Ventura, I have no first hand knowledege of numbers but offer the following:
1) Range: The 23' OR and the 21' Venture have very similar dry weights. I've run our 23'OR w/225 hp Merc 185 miles with an average speed of 25+ mph and used 85.4 gallons. This was with 166 gallons of gas two people and gear. Additionally, our boat has a t-top. I would think the Venture would get better mileage considering less weight and resistance. Ultimately, if you use 1/3 rd out, 1/3 rd back and 1/3 reserve you should end up with a useable range of better than 130 miles and still have 30 gallons in reserve.
5) Trailer recommendation: Boat Master
A 2001 21' OR would give you even greater range and a t-top offers great protection from the sun, which we find much more wearing than an occasional shot of spray. OR's are fine boats to use to ski/wakeboard.
posted 01-28-2003 05:07 PM ET (US)
I do not have the Ventura, but I did look at the 18' Ventura and currently have a 2000 18' Outrage and there are some similarities. I'll try to answer the questions I can.
1. Range - So no real idea. I get 5-6 gallons per hour at a comfortable cruising speed (25 - 30mph) out of a Optimax 150. Now that is no proxy for a 225 4 stroke.
2. Do not have the fishing package
4. No, it would be nice though
5. Shore land r - and I would go with the keel Roller because I believe on that hull (same hull as the outrage I think) you should support much of the weight on the keel. Launching and retrieving is also extremely easy.
Now I know you said you wanted the Ventura to double as a ski wakeboard boat but I still think the Outrage would be a better choice. While the Ventura may be more comfortable from a seating standpoint for skiing and boarding both boats have the same hull and should perform similarly. You can even get a tow pole for the Outrage (at least you could for mine).
The big difference will be in going fishing inshore or offshore. The Outrage is much more fishable in terms of walking around the boat. The biggest advantage to the Outrage is the helm. Taking the Ventura with the sit down helm 50 miles off shore would be painful for me. It is too low to stand up fully, so you will find yourself crouched over trying to watch the seas while you run out and back. A center console boat is much more comfortable where you can stand, see the water, and use your legs for balance and shock absorbtion.
Just my $0.02. But before you buy take both the Ventura and an Outrage 5 miles offshore and back.
posted 01-28-2003 09:18 PM ET (US)
I own a 2001 21' Ventura, email me at email@example.com with your tel# and I'll tell you all the info you want.
posted 01-31-2003 02:21 AM ET (US)
Thanks for the responses... I'm still undecided but will let you know once we decide.
posted 01-31-2003 04:47 PM ET (US)
While all that dough's still in yer pocket, you might consider this: a pre-1994 Outrage 18'6Ē hull will actually have more useable deck space than a Ventura 21. With a full cushion package and rear upholstered thwart seat, you'll have room fer yerself at the helm and SIX bikini-clad cuties at their ease. For the price of a new V-21, you could even repower and pay a real craftsman to fully re-fit a late 1980's Outrage 22' for you and have some change in yer pocket. Either rig, a 18í/19í or a 22' will outclass ever-thing in the lake or the bay with you. And the cuties will appreciate yer style a whole lot more in that classic Whaler! So before y'drop yer wad on a boat, consider how yer goin' t'look after the purchase, like a chisel-chinned James Bond in his Classic Whaler or like a bare-chested Austin Powers in a Brunswick Baywatch Special (Only hitch is all them chicks might whine fer a crapper on board; Bond always tells em' t'use a bucket or jump ova-board).
posted 03-09-2003 12:46 PM ET (US)
I own a 210 01 ventura with a 225 optimax saltwater.We just got back from a two month stay in Key Largo,where the boat and motor performed flawlessly.Both fishing and cruising .We fished both the atlantic and florida bay with some ocean seas at 3to4ft.Ijust bought the boat in august for just this purpose, and after reading the forum I had my doubhts.Trolling in the gulf stream for sail or heading out bayside for happy hour,We could not be happier. The live well kept baits just fine ,we refreshed the water about every hr.The only hassle I had is when switching from washdown to live well you must rotate valve located behind fold away seat threw access hatch,Iam working on a solution.Any suggestions would be appreciated.
posted 03-09-2003 12:58 PM ET (US)
t off the truhull, separate shurflow pump and happy boating.
posted 03-10-2003 10:46 AM ET (US)
Nice try Hooter! Although the 22 OR is a great boat, upon viewing another current thread, apparently the 22ís fuel tank is too small. Not very Bond like. A 77-gallon tank for a 22ft. offshore boat, a BW design flaw I wasnít aware of until now. Also, for the record, women will not go in a bucket unless you are possibly talkín bout da ones dat donít have all der teeth :)
I think the 21 Ventura is a great family boat and I was close to buying one when it sold out from under me. I got a 23 Outrage instead but thatís a different story. The Ventura owners probably already answered all your questions already. Aubv got my curiosity going when he mentioned that Outrages are fine ski/wakeboard boats. I know the Ventura and Outrage have a similar transom design. Has anyone rigged a ski pylon to one of these boats? I have often contemplated doing this. Can it be done on either the Ventura or the Outrage? Furthermore could you rig it to be removable when not in use?
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