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GeneNJ posted 02-10-2003 03:47 PM ET (US)   Profile for GeneNJ   Send Email to GeneNJ  
Thinking of buying a an almost new 13' for use in the local bay waters and creeks. It will be used in the local bay and creeks for fishing and crabing, with my two young grandsons.
As I never owned a BW, can anyone offer advice, based on kids and intended use? What extras are needed or should be added to improve the boat?
aubv posted 02-10-2003 05:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
GeneNJ,

What creeks and bays in NJ are you talking about?

boxers posted 02-10-2003 10:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for boxers  Send Email to boxers     
We have a 13ft 40th anniversary model. Recommend a 4-stroke motor 40 HP very quiet. Bimini top, seat backs and cushions. Full bow railing for kids to hang on to. We added a horn, cockpit lighting and a 12 volt plug. The boat also performed much better with a hydrofin on the motor-this helps to trim the boat. Good luck!
tbyrne posted 02-11-2003 10:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for tbyrne    
It's a nice boat and should be perfect for your intended use. That was also the fastest set-up available from the factory. The boat is similar to the classic 13 made from the late fifties to the late nineties. It is not quite as stable as the Classic 13, but is still stable. It also rides quite a bit better in a chop than the Classic.

In my opinion, the only things it lacks are rodholders and a compass. For rodholders, I used a milk crate with a few holders installed inside - if you put a heavy tackle box in it, it keeps the crate from tipping. You can install a compass (or FF) on the flat spot to the right of the helm.

GeneNJ posted 02-11-2003 08:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for GeneNJ  Send Email to GeneNJ     
I boat in Great Bay and Little Egg. Can anyone tell me why Merc has a 2 and 3 cylinder 40HP two cycle engine. Is one better for use on the 13' sport?
aubv posted 02-11-2003 11:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
Gene,

If you where going to use it in the Sandy Hook area I would have suggested you need a bigger boat.

The 13' Whaler is a great 13'boat, but it is a basic boat no frills, little storage, no rod holders, etc. It is the only 13' boat I want to own(have owned in the past) and the only 13' boat I'd take my grandson in.

You need to have a VHF radio and at least a hand held GPS along with all of the other required saftey equipment. Get good pfd's sized for you and the grandkids and wear them.

Nothing like going crabbing and fluken' with Grandpa, lucky grandkids! They'll have a ball, taunting the crabs walking around the deck with their claws raised in the air. I'm sure you can hear them laughing now.

Have fun and don't forget the SPF.

GeneNJ posted 02-12-2003 09:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for GeneNJ  Send Email to GeneNJ     
Thanks for all the replys, appreciate the help. I found a leftover 2002/40hp 2 stroke with comfort package/trailer for $8695, looks like a good price.
witsendfl posted 02-13-2003 12:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for witsendfl  Send Email to witsendfl     
"I boat in Great Bay and Little Egg. Can anyone tell me why Merc has a 2 and 3 cylinder 40HP two cycle engine. Is one better for use on the 13' sport?"

Gene I have some REALLY good answers for you...

I have a 1972 Sourpuss w/ a 1997 40 HP 4 cylinder. It flat out flies, That 40 HP was on the top end of Merc's power source. Probably almost 50 HP. Great combo !!! Pulled up a 120 lb Slalom skier !!! Not as powerful as my Mastercraft. My son uses the Whaler when I am not at home.

Anyway, I also own a 2001 13 Sport w/ a 2002 40 HP Merc 3 cyl. It struggles and is 5-6 MPH slower than the 72 13 w/ the 4 cyl Merc.. My understanding is that the 2002 40 is on the low end of the 40 HP range probably 42-43 HP. Plus I believe the 2001 13 sport hull is heavier.

Try ti get that combo down to $8000-$8200. They SOLD that combo at a boat show specail w/ Gulfwind Marine for $8995. NO EXTRAS !!! I bought my used2001 w/ the original breakin oil still in the gas for $7500. custom bimini, trailer, compass extra tank.

Good Luck Hope this helps Email me direct for more info.

witsendfl JimK

tbyrne posted 02-14-2003 08:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for tbyrne    
Be aware that Florida boat prices are substantially lower than those in the Northeast. Time and time again on this board, people from Florida have advised Northeasterners that they are paying too much for their boats. I'm not saying that they are necessarily wrong, but Florida has many more boats than the Northeast and new Florida Whalers don't have to travel the 1000+ miles that a Northeast boat does.

I don't think your deal sounds too bad. Just check around (NY, NJ) to confirm. Good luck!

GeneNJ posted 02-14-2003 11:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for GeneNJ  Send Email to GeneNJ     
I just signed a contract for this boat, and the dealer confirmed that the Merc 40hp included with the Whaler is the two cylinder model. Much less expensive to build a 2 vs 3, makes the package more attractive price wise. But, the 2 will not idle as well as a 3 cylinder.
He also agreed to paint the bottom for the same price.
Thanks to all who responded.
witsendfl posted 02-14-2003 02:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for witsendfl  Send Email to witsendfl     
tbyrne,

You are totally off base. A deal is a deal !!!
All boats have a suggested retail price. ALL BOATS. It all depends on how much of a GPM or mark up a dealer wants to make. Now tell me this, why has Whaler in the past advertized the 17 Montauk as a complete package in 2000/2001 for approx $12500 all over the US in boating magazines then you get to the dealer and it is over $14000, same boat no extras ?

Get the best deal that you can. Heck come to Florida and get a boat for $2000 less than up north and pay for your trip to Florida at the same time... A GOOD SELLING POINT INDEED

That 13 could be bought for $8200-$8300. They through in a $500 paint job...

witsendfl JimK

tbyrne posted 02-14-2003 04:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for tbyrne    
Ah, the inevitable result: a Floridian telling a Northerner he paid too much.

Yes witsend, a deal is a deal and MSRP is MSRP. But supply and demand is still supply and demand. Houses cost more in California than Mississippi. Why? Because people will pay the higher price.

Does it occur to you that dealers far from where a boat is manufactured might be less willing than dealers close to the manufacturer to move off that MSRP? My point was that NE dealers seem to be less willing to move. The same seems to hold true for California. I regularly see CA boaters who are amazed by and envious of the deals their Florida counterparts claim are available. It simply costs more to build a boat in Edgewater and ship it to California or Portland, Maine than to build it in Edgewater and ship it to Ft. Lauderdale. I expect that the dealer will pass at least a portion of that cost to the buyer.

I have repeatedly seen stories where dealers in the Northeast regularly insist on (and get) higher prices than Florida dealers for both new and used boats. LHG and Bigshot, both very knowledgable boaters, often comment on this board about how buyers can get better deals in Florida than elsewhere. Is it solely because Floridians are better negotiators [if so, it would have to be just the buyers ;)] or do geography and dempographics have something to do with it?

It is my position that it is the latter and I was putting in my $.02 for Gene because I suspected his dealer would not come down as far as you contend a Florida dealer would.

I wish Gene all the best with his new boat and think he got a good deal. But why bottom paint? Will you be leaving it in the water?

tbyrne posted 02-14-2003 04:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for tbyrne    
Whatever the heck "dempmographics" is!!

I must have been hypmotized.

captbone posted 02-14-2003 04:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for captbone  Send Email to captbone     
I think that you should look at www.edsmarinesuperstore.com and check out a 24 carolina skiff, great boats and they can be had with moderate power for less then a 13 whaler with the bells and whistles. I love whalers but I think that there are better deals that make better sense. You get 24 ft of good boat for the price of 13 feet of the best boat. You can do so much more in the 24fter. Just My 2 cents.
witsendfl posted 02-14-2003 10:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for witsendfl  Send Email to witsendfl     
tbyrne

What about boats built outside of Florida, such as a Mastercrafts or Malibus? They both are making boats that are 22-24 feet long. Even on boats built in Florida, then shipped north there is always a line in your contract for shipping.(usually direct cost billed w/unloading included) It works both ways. There are at least 3-4 boat shows in the Tampa area each year. I know because I work them. Up North you maybe only have one in late Jan or early Feb. Pre ordered/prepayed boats at a boat show can get sometimes a 5% discount from the manufactueur (sp).

There are alot of experinced buyers and sellers on this site. You need to work the best deal you can. Sometimes, alot of the time people stop to soon and think there is no more to get. Everyone is entitled to get the best deal they can.

I go to a Boston Whaler dealer every year in upstate NY Henderson Harbour. He is still sitting on 2001 product rigged w/ Hondas. Refuses to sell !! I would love to be his floor plan company. Sometimes you make a little, sometimes you make alot.

I think that maybe you have a little agression locked up inside knowing that somewhere down the line you paid to much. We all have on sometime in our lives...

witsendfl JimK

GeneNJ posted 02-15-2003 09:17 AM ET (US)     Profile for GeneNJ  Send Email to GeneNJ     
Regaring the prices in NJ.... Went to the AC Boat show and looked at the similiar 2003 package offered at the show price special of $9500.00, doesn't include comfort package nor bottom paint(boat stays in water at the shore). Other NJ dealers are advertizing this same package for nearly same amount in The Salty Dogand Docksider mags. From what I can gather this cushion package goes for between $600-$900, depending on the dealer.
jimh posted 11-12-2005 10:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
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