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Casey17 posted 02-25-2003 03:27 PM ET (US)
Updated web page on the Whaler site for those that are interested. I'd like this boat with twin 300 HPDIs. Any idea when those engines will be available?
lhg posted 02-25-2003 03:35 PM ET (US)
I have never even heard that Yamaha is bringing out such an engine. Where did you get this information?
But I'm sure Whaler would install a pair of 3.0 liter Mercury 300 EFI's, as far as I know the highest HP production outboard currently available, from Mercury's performance division. I think it requires 91 octane fuel, however. I see a lot of them on the water in Southeast FL, where they call it the "Darth Vader" engine.
Casey17 posted 02-25-2003 03:41 PM ET (US)
Heard from dealer that either a 275HPDI or 300HPDI could be intoduced either late this summer or for next years run.
kglinz posted 02-25-2003 03:55 PM ET (US)
The Nantucket specs show it's available with dual 250 EFIs. 30" counter rotating no less.
Bigshot posted 02-25-2003 04:09 PM ET (US)
Larry that 300pro-max is 320hp, but they still call it a 300. I wonder how that would hold up in court? Anyway that 32 or ANY large center console would turn down right mean with a set of those on it. I see the 35? Concept is running them....WHoooeee! My bud has twin 300 promax's on his 27 Progression and she runs just under 100mph spinning 32" lab finished wheels. Since August of 2000 and less than 150 hours he has blown 3 powerheads(2 were under warranty). I believe though if not driven like him(6300+rpm's constantly) they would be a semi-reliable engine(semi just because they are considered high performance). I would love to own one(yes me, the noted Merc basher), I just think they are radical.
kglinz posted 02-25-2003 04:15 PM ET (US)
There was a 28' inflatable with a pair of 300 ProMax engines running around the San Juan Islands. It was a "America's Cup" chase boat. Real quick!
BW23 posted 02-25-2003 04:39 PM ET (US)
If I'm not mis-taken the 32 is only rated for
500 max ?
lhg posted 02-25-2003 07:39 PM ET (US)
Well I guess I fell for that one. Casey knew the answer all along.
Barry posted 02-25-2003 09:45 PM ET (US)
According to the specs the 320 Outrage is rated for 600hp.
Since the Nantucket is only rated for 150hp, I hope they change the stickers on the 250s. Do you think they bolt one to each corner of the transom or put one in the middle and set the other up as a trolling motor?
Casey17 posted 02-26-2003 10:44 AM ET (US)
lgh, sorry about that. I read a post on another board indicating the new HPDI, did not get direct from dealer. Just wondering if anyone else has heard about the possiblity of a 300HP HPDI. I like the boat, but would only do it with these engines. Sorry about the confusion.
jimh posted 02-26-2003 01:26 PM ET (US)
Is this thread about nonsense?
Casey17 posted 02-26-2003 02:48 PM ET (US)
why the attitude?
lhg posted 02-26-2003 03:20 PM ET (US)
Since it is widely known that Whalers come with Mercury engines, why come in here and say you'd only buy Whaler's most expensive new boat if it came with non-existant Yamaha engines? Are we supposed to be impressed, or what?
Nonesense, I believe, is the correct word.
Casey17 posted 02-26-2003 03:24 PM ET (US)
Again, why the attitude. There are still some dealers that have the pull with Whaler to request bare hulls. The Yamahas are going to be available this fall and yes, the most important thing to me is to impress you.
TRAFFICLAWYER posted 02-26-2003 04:00 PM ET (US)
Since its so widely known by the professed experts here that only mercs are available, I guess somebody forgot the tell the experts that the Black yamaha's are also available and who knows maybe other forms of vendors products [300 hpdi's?] may be hung on the transoms of the new 32'. No need to get snippy and attitudinal about it boyz.
jaccoserv posted 02-26-2003 05:01 PM ET (US)
I don't know for sure but I would like to think that when you reach that level (32 Outrage) you can choose the power. For instance, Regulators come factory rigged with Yamaha, but if your willing to put the money up, they'll build it with any power you want. I think it's a luxury you earn when you're paying $100,000+ on a boat.
JC
lhg posted 02-26-2003 05:18 PM ET (US)
Can a Regulator be bought unrigged, and taken to the engine dealer of your choice for power? I like the Classic looks of Regulators.
captbone posted 02-26-2003 05:49 PM ET (US)
I have heard about the 300 hpdi too. Most dealers were expecting the 300 but yamaha is holding off for a while. I have heard the 250 hpdi is at the upper limited off the horsepower. An engine can be within 10% of its rating. So in theory a 250 can put off 274 hp and still be a 250hp. I have heard that contender is putting a lot of pressure on Yamaha for bigger engines because alot of pros are by a contender and ripping off the yamahas and puting on 300 mercs for the speed.
jimh posted 02-26-2003 07:30 PM ET (US)
The information content of this thread is awful.
We are told first of an ambiguous reference to some new information at an unspecified page at an unspecified website. How about a URI and a hyperlink? This is a hypertext based medium.
Then an unspecified dealer is quoted to support the existance of an new model engine, but later this turns out to be an unspecified posting on another unspecified website from an unspecified source.
Then we switch subjects to a different boat and a different motor, suggesting on some unknown basis that you can put 500 horsepower on a boat rated for 150-HP.
We get two instances of "I like the boat" but not with Mercury engines. This is really an expression of personal preferences in engines. The translation of this is more or less "I got you to read this post about a Boston Whaler 320-OUTRAGE but now I am going to trash on Mecury engines." Please repost personal bashing of certain product brands under the proper TOPIC line. Something like "My Personal Dislike for [Insert Product Brand] Engines" would be a good title and should provoke a lively discussion. .
To wind it up, we get an unsupported assertion that dealers are perfectly willing to forgo the profit of selling $40,000 worth of engines to sell an $90,000 hull that they can't get delivery on until 2004. Please post a copy of the purchase contract agreement you've got with your dealer to make this deal.
If someone thinks that stuff like this is information content, they're wrong. To me it sounds like nonsense.
TRAFFICLAWYER posted 02-26-2003 07:30 PM ET (US)
larry:
You can buy a Regulator with anything you want on the transom, I know as I almost purchased one. Same thing with most upper end vendors, ie Jupiter,Intrepid,Yellowfin and Contender. I think even MAKO is offering either directly or thru their dealers a Honda option.
TRAFFICLAWYER posted 02-26-2003 07:34 PM ET (US)
JimH:
One day you'll be the ONLY person posting on this site. It'll be interesting to see how you critique yourself.
jimh posted 02-26-2003 09:06 PM ET (US)
TRAFFICLAWYER,
I think in the long run people are attracted to the site by its information content, so I try to encourage high quality content.
captbone posted 02-26-2003 11:53 PM ET (US)
I dont know what others have been told but I have a friend who tried to buy a 23 regulator without an engine a few months ago and was told that it would not be cost effective to do so. You can buy it with out an engine but you can not have it factory rigged with say a honda or mercury because these companies (regulator, contender,) have tight ties to the outboard motor companies for deals. I have heard of some whalers coming new with Hondas but dont know how that works because merc owns whaler and why would they want to put a honda on it. I have never heard of a new regulator coming from the factor with anything other than a yamaha. Other smaller companies like Ocean Master (great company) do not have contracts with motor companies and will sell it with a bearcat or ford pinto motor if you really want. I do not like the fact that the factor limits your options on a $120,000 vessel.
Casey17 posted 02-27-2003 09:17 AM ET (US)
JimH
TRAFFICLAWYER posted 02-27-2003 10:37 AM ET (US)
JimH:
Your absolutely right in that people ARE attracted to this site by high quality of content. Sometimes [emphasis] it appears to me that you lose sight of the forest and should reconsider that demeaning folks or just plain sarcasm is not compatible your goals of high 'quality'.
Casey17 posted 02-27-2003 11:41 AM ET (US)
Plus, you're a dick.
caddis posted 02-27-2003 07:02 PM ET (US)
Casey17:
[hijack] He's the d#$k that works his a@@ off to maintain this site. Lighten up. This is one of the best maintained boards I frequent on the net. Trafficlawyer at least knows how to intelligently present his opposing viewpoint (though I personally like the sarcasm). Kill this thread![/hijack]
lhg posted 02-27-2003 07:29 PM ET (US)
Casey's M.O. sounds very familiar to me. We've seen this person before.
North Beach posted 02-27-2003 09:55 PM ET (US)
You mean ole Greg aka Boston marine has returned? (Ithought he was masquerading as 11?)
TRAFFICLAWYER posted 02-28-2003 07:36 AM ET (US)
UhOh!
I don't do politiks!

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Author	Topic: 32 Outrage / Whaler Site
Casey17	posted 02-25-2003 03:27 PM ET (US) Updated web page on the Whaler site for those that are interested. I'd like this boat with twin 300 HPDIs. Any idea when those engines will be available?
lhg	posted 02-25-2003 03:35 PM ET (US) I have never even heard that Yamaha is bringing out such an engine. Where did you get this information? But I'm sure Whaler would install a pair of 3.0 liter Mercury 300 EFI's, as far as I know the highest HP production outboard currently available, from Mercury's performance division. I think it requires 91 octane fuel, however. I see a lot of them on the water in Southeast FL, where they call it the "Darth Vader" engine.
Casey17	posted 02-25-2003 03:41 PM ET (US) Heard from dealer that either a 275HPDI or 300HPDI could be intoduced either late this summer or for next years run.
kglinz	posted 02-25-2003 03:55 PM ET (US) The Nantucket specs show it's available with dual 250 EFIs. 30" counter rotating no less.
Bigshot	posted 02-25-2003 04:09 PM ET (US) Larry that 300pro-max is 320hp, but they still call it a 300. I wonder how that would hold up in court? Anyway that 32 or ANY large center console would turn down right mean with a set of those on it. I see the 35? Concept is running them....WHoooeee! My bud has twin 300 promax's on his 27 Progression and she runs just under 100mph spinning 32" lab finished wheels. Since August of 2000 and less than 150 hours he has blown 3 powerheads(2 were under warranty). I believe though if not driven like him(6300+rpm's constantly) they would be a semi-reliable engine(semi just because they are considered high performance). I would love to own one(yes me, the noted Merc basher), I just think they are radical.
kglinz	posted 02-25-2003 04:15 PM ET (US) There was a 28' inflatable with a pair of 300 ProMax engines running around the San Juan Islands. It was a "America's Cup" chase boat. Real quick!
BW23	posted 02-25-2003 04:39 PM ET (US) If I'm not mis-taken the 32 is only rated for 500 max ?
lhg	posted 02-25-2003 07:39 PM ET (US) Well I guess I fell for that one. Casey knew the answer all along.
Barry	posted 02-25-2003 09:45 PM ET (US) According to the specs the 320 Outrage is rated for 600hp. Since the Nantucket is only rated for 150hp, I hope they change the stickers on the 250s. Do you think they bolt one to each corner of the transom or put one in the middle and set the other up as a trolling motor?
Casey17	posted 02-26-2003 10:44 AM ET (US) lgh, sorry about that. I read a post on another board indicating the new HPDI, did not get direct from dealer. Just wondering if anyone else has heard about the possiblity of a 300HP HPDI. I like the boat, but would only do it with these engines. Sorry about the confusion.
jimh	posted 02-26-2003 01:26 PM ET (US) Is this thread about nonsense?
Casey17	posted 02-26-2003 02:48 PM ET (US) why the attitude?
lhg	posted 02-26-2003 03:20 PM ET (US) Since it is widely known that Whalers come with Mercury engines, why come in here and say you'd only buy Whaler's most expensive new boat if it came with non-existant Yamaha engines? Are we supposed to be impressed, or what? Nonesense, I believe, is the correct word.
Casey17	posted 02-26-2003 03:24 PM ET (US) Again, why the attitude. There are still some dealers that have the pull with Whaler to request bare hulls. The Yamahas are going to be available this fall and yes, the most important thing to me is to impress you.
TRAFFICLAWYER	posted 02-26-2003 04:00 PM ET (US) Since its so widely known by the professed experts here that only mercs are available, I guess somebody forgot the tell the experts that the Black yamaha's are also available and who knows maybe other forms of vendors products [300 hpdi's?] may be hung on the transoms of the new 32'. No need to get snippy and attitudinal about it boyz.
jaccoserv	posted 02-26-2003 05:01 PM ET (US) I don't know for sure but I would like to think that when you reach that level (32 Outrage) you can choose the power. For instance, Regulators come factory rigged with Yamaha, but if your willing to put the money up, they'll build it with any power you want. I think it's a luxury you earn when you're paying $100,000+ on a boat. JC
lhg	posted 02-26-2003 05:18 PM ET (US) Can a Regulator be bought unrigged, and taken to the engine dealer of your choice for power? I like the Classic looks of Regulators.
captbone	posted 02-26-2003 05:49 PM ET (US) I have heard about the 300 hpdi too. Most dealers were expecting the 300 but yamaha is holding off for a while. I have heard the 250 hpdi is at the upper limited off the horsepower. An engine can be within 10% of its rating. So in theory a 250 can put off 274 hp and still be a 250hp. I have heard that contender is putting a lot of pressure on Yamaha for bigger engines because alot of pros are by a contender and ripping off the yamahas and puting on 300 mercs for the speed.
jimh	posted 02-26-2003 07:30 PM ET (US) The information content of this thread is awful. We are told first of an ambiguous reference to some new information at an unspecified page at an unspecified website. How about a URI and a hyperlink? This is a hypertext based medium. Then an unspecified dealer is quoted to support the existance of an new model engine, but later this turns out to be an unspecified posting on another unspecified website from an unspecified source. Then we switch subjects to a different boat and a different motor, suggesting on some unknown basis that you can put 500 horsepower on a boat rated for 150-HP. We get two instances of "I like the boat" but not with Mercury engines. This is really an expression of personal preferences in engines. The translation of this is more or less "I got you to read this post about a Boston Whaler 320-OUTRAGE but now I am going to trash on Mecury engines." Please repost personal bashing of certain product brands under the proper TOPIC line. Something like "My Personal Dislike for [Insert Product Brand] Engines" would be a good title and should provoke a lively discussion. . To wind it up, we get an unsupported assertion that dealers are perfectly willing to forgo the profit of selling $40,000 worth of engines to sell an $90,000 hull that they can't get delivery on until 2004. Please post a copy of the purchase contract agreement you've got with your dealer to make this deal. If someone thinks that stuff like this is information content, they're wrong. To me it sounds like nonsense.
TRAFFICLAWYER	posted 02-26-2003 07:30 PM ET (US) larry: You can buy a Regulator with anything you want on the transom, I know as I almost purchased one. Same thing with most upper end vendors, ie Jupiter,Intrepid,Yellowfin and Contender. I think even MAKO is offering either directly or thru their dealers a Honda option.
TRAFFICLAWYER	posted 02-26-2003 07:34 PM ET (US) JimH: One day you'll be the ONLY person posting on this site. It'll be interesting to see how you critique yourself.
jimh	posted 02-26-2003 09:06 PM ET (US) TRAFFICLAWYER, I think in the long run people are attracted to the site by its information content, so I try to encourage high quality content.
captbone	posted 02-26-2003 11:53 PM ET (US) I dont know what others have been told but I have a friend who tried to buy a 23 regulator without an engine a few months ago and was told that it would not be cost effective to do so. You can buy it with out an engine but you can not have it factory rigged with say a honda or mercury because these companies (regulator, contender,) have tight ties to the outboard motor companies for deals. I have heard of some whalers coming new with Hondas but dont know how that works because merc owns whaler and why would they want to put a honda on it. I have never heard of a new regulator coming from the factor with anything other than a yamaha. Other smaller companies like Ocean Master (great company) do not have contracts with motor companies and will sell it with a bearcat or ford pinto motor if you really want. I do not like the fact that the factor limits your options on a $120,000 vessel.
Casey17	posted 02-27-2003 09:17 AM ET (US) JimH
TRAFFICLAWYER	posted 02-27-2003 10:37 AM ET (US) JimH: Your absolutely right in that people ARE attracted to this site by high quality of content. Sometimes [emphasis] it appears to me that you lose sight of the forest and should reconsider that demeaning folks or just plain sarcasm is not compatible your goals of high 'quality'.
Casey17	posted 02-27-2003 11:41 AM ET (US) Plus, you're a dick.
caddis	posted 02-27-2003 07:02 PM ET (US) Casey17: [hijack] He's the d#$k that works his a@@ off to maintain this site. Lighten up. This is one of the best maintained boards I frequent on the net. Trafficlawyer at least knows how to intelligently present his opposing viewpoint (though I personally like the sarcasm). Kill this thread![/hijack]
lhg	posted 02-27-2003 07:29 PM ET (US) Casey's M.O. sounds very familiar to me. We've seen this person before.
North Beach	posted 02-27-2003 09:55 PM ET (US) You mean ole Greg aka Boston marine has returned? (Ithought he was masquerading as 11?)
TRAFFICLAWYER	posted 02-28-2003 07:36 AM ET (US) UhOh! I don't do politiks!