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chaimemet posted 03-18-2003 10:11 PM ET (US)   Profile for chaimemet   Send Email to chaimemet  
Debating purchase of new montauk vs discontinued outrage 17. will use vessel in icw and offshore fishing mostly trolling will trailer quite a bit with volvo station wagon. what is the difference in ride 2-4' is all we will take her out in. 3 of us daughter 8 years. dont like the idea of buying a used outboard and have decided on only a 4 cycle due to smokless.
Jerry Townsend posted 03-18-2003 10:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jerry Townsend  Send Email to Jerry Townsend     
I have seen, but not ridden in a 170 Montauck and have a '96 17 OR. In my opinion, given that you will be taking her offshore, you would be better with the 17 OR - primarily because of the deeper V which gives a smoother ride in big water and the higher free-board. ---- Jerry/Idaho
Swellmonster posted 03-19-2003 12:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for Swellmonster  Send Email to Swellmonster     
He is absolutely right!
spotsnspecks posted 03-19-2003 12:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for spotsnspecks  Send Email to spotsnspecks     
I Third that!
prm1177 posted 03-19-2003 01:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for prm1177  Send Email to prm1177     
That makes it unanimous (for now). I got re-interested in buying a Whaler because of the Montauk 170, but ended up purchasing a 97 Outrage 17. The deeper V, higher HP rating, and the big plus of the 58 gallon tank made the Outrage 17 a no brainer. Using this in the SF Bay area and out into deep water as well.
BillD posted 03-19-2003 03:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for BillD  Send Email to BillD     
If going offshore I would go with the Outrage (I have an 18').

However check the weight of the 17' Outrage with an engine, full fuel load and trailer. I do not know the specifics but it may be awfully close to the maximum on your Volvo.

aubv posted 03-19-2003 10:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
chaimemet,

The new Montauk does weight less(350lbs?), carries 44 gallons less fuel(268lbs) and has a smaller/lighter motor(100lbs?) thus it could be your choice based on tow vehicle.

My opinion, get a new tow vehicle, if needed. Get the 17' OR.

I'll give you the reasons for my opinion if your interested.

chaimemet posted 03-20-2003 10:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for chaimemet  Send Email to chaimemet     
wife does not want a used engine and prefers the 4 stroke. So on Monday I will test drive the Dauntless 16 and the quickly take the 170 again for a spin. The dauntless has the 2 aft corner seats and a slight vee that i need to see if the ride is smoother. I have a daughter 8 w/ downs so safety is paramount. On the 170 she would have to sit on the cooler or at the helm. I have been in contact w/ Anderson upholstery who are supposed to finish a prototype rear removable bench seat for the 170 this week. The dealer down in FTL has a 2002 dauntless w/ a 135/70hrs. he'll sell it for 24k w/ trailer. But I saw that w/ the euro transom and the bench seat down it would make it difficult to land a fish off the stern unless you stand on the platform and without any freeboard there in a ocean chop it would be hairy. My wife happens to be in the area of Edgewater today will visit the factory. I am thinking that after Monday I will probably go back to the 170, I believe the design on it is more pleasing than the dauntless and its simplicity, not being dolled up, is an attraction in itself. The ride will decide.
Perry posted 03-20-2003 12:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
Chaimemet, I have owned a Montauk and now own a Dauntless 160. The ride is much better in the Dauntless. I have taken it 20 miles out in rough seas and it handles it fine. I also have young kids and the rear seats come in handy with the family aboard for pleasure cruising. Take them both out and decide for yourself....Good luck
millerbr posted 03-20-2003 01:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for millerbr  Send Email to millerbr     
If that 2002 Dauntless with the 135 motor is a 160 model, then that motor is 20HP over the max rating for that boat.
chaimemet posted 03-20-2003 01:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for chaimemet  Send Email to chaimemet     
no, excuse me the 18 has a 135 the 16 has a 4 stroke 115
kbay posted 03-20-2003 10:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for kbay  Send Email to kbay     
chaimemet,

If you are comparing the new 170 montauk vs a classic 17 outrage, then I think the difference in ride is probably very slight. The dimensions of the new montauk is very close to the 17 outrage and it weighs 420 lbs. more. Believe me, you can feel the benefit of the addtional weight in the chops and swells.

I owned a 1983 montauk before buying the new version and the difference in ride quality is startling. I've been 20+ miles offshore here in Hawaii and have never lost confidence in the boat.

Of course there are other attributes inherent in the outrage line that might make it a better buy, but I would definately give the new montauk a close look.

Perry posted 03-21-2003 02:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
Hey kbay, I live in Kailua and fish outside Kaneohe often in my Dauntless. Small world huh?
BillD posted 03-21-2003 01:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for BillD  Send Email to BillD     
If you are at the factory take a look at the new Nantucket. Yeah it is more $ but it may be what you are looking for.
kbay posted 03-21-2003 03:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for kbay  Send Email to kbay     
Howzit Perry, it is a small world indeed. I was never much into fishing when I had the older montauk; mostly crusing inside the bay, hanging out at the sand bar, etc.

Now with the new boat, I've caught the fishing bug and try to head out to the FAD's every weekend. Haven't really caught anything big yet mostly because I'm just learning how to fish in deep water.

What amazes me though is how many small boats (under 18') are out in the deep water outside Kaneohe.

James posted 03-21-2003 03:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for James  Send Email to James     
kbay:

Hawaii in a 170 Montauk. I smile and sigh just thinking about it. WOW!

James.

chaimemet posted 03-22-2003 11:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for chaimemet  Send Email to chaimemet     
nantauket is a fine machine but wont fit in the garage, a necessity. wife told me the tour sucked big time just a bunch of molds laying around saw no pouring of foam they only make a boat when a purchase order comes in, there are 4 montauk molds and they are building a fifth. so basically they can make
4 montauks a day.
Beaner posted 03-24-2003 11:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for Beaner  Send Email to Beaner     
chaimemet,

Picked up my new Montauk on Saturday. While I was at the dealer, they had a 96 17' Outrage for sale. I checked it out while I was waiting for them to pull my boat out of the water. Looking at the two boats for your purpose, the new Montauk is the way to go. It seems more rommier than the outrage and it has the grab rails all around the boat. Just have your daughter sit on the cooler seat or on the bow cushion and you'll be fine.

chaimemet posted 03-24-2003 03:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for chaimemet  Send Email to chaimemet     
Went for ride out of port evergldes this morning 1-3 and a beaautiful cool 15 knot wind blowing. The Dauntless 16 does not track at low speeds as well as the 170. When one of the three of us shifted the bow aspect changed, it does have bow up before planing and more pronounced if one sits in one of the aft seats. You have to trim up yes.It does have a nice dry ride and very stable maybe maybe a little less pounding than the 170 but i could not tell really. The Montauk does not really get out of a hole to get up on plane it just elevates itself a bit and goes more like a cat. We put the deposit down on the Montauk. Will equip it with a Garmin 188C, a 4 pole larger bimini, dodger and isenglass, 2 batteries, Merc 4 stroke 90hp, swing away tongue trailer with brakes, swim platform w/ ladder, mooring cover. I am very pleased that we made the right decision. Anderson mfg, had delevered the final #1 rear aft bench for the new Montauk we decided to wait a bit to see if we really need it. I think my wife is still a little nervous about our daughter sitting back there. BW salesman told me in 4 months BW will present an after market or factory installed rear live well. It will install over the area of the sump.
Want_a_Whaler posted 03-25-2003 08:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for Want_a_Whaler  Send Email to Want_a_Whaler     
Chaimemet....Would you mind emailing me your final package price? I live in FTL and I am looking at a used Outrage 17 and a Dauntless 16. If the package price on the Montauk(with the 4 stroke) is good enough, I may just go new. Thanks
Swellmonster posted 03-26-2003 10:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for Swellmonster  Send Email to Swellmonster     
Trailer brakes on a 17?
chaimemet posted 03-26-2003 10:50 AM ET (US)     Profile for chaimemet  Send Email to chaimemet     
vehicle Volvo V70 Cross Country Ocean Race Edition tow w/o 1100lbs w/brakes 3500lbs, of course they underestimate but for insurance and G-d forbid some lawyer if something happened! I mean talk about overloading... I grew up in a construction/commercial roofing family, how many trucks did I brake, (pun intended).

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