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KC posted 04-26-2003 07:44 AM ET (US)   Profile for KC   Send Email to KC  
Has anyone experience with a 2002 210-OUTRAGE? That is with respect to:

(1)offshore performance
(2)fishability
(3)quality
(4)minimum horsepower acceptable (The boat I am considering has 175-HP on it)
(5)and reasonable price estimate.

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

TRAFFICLAWYER posted 04-26-2003 09:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for TRAFFICLAWYER    
Sounds a bit underpowered my 21' Ventura had a 200 and could have used a bit more hp.
jimh posted 04-26-2003 10:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
[Changed TOPIC; was "2002 OR 21". For clarity, there was no Boson Whaler model in 2002 with the model name OR 21. A new model, the 210-OUTRAGE was introduced, replacing the 21-Outrage last made in 2001. Inventing new names for the hundreds of models of Boston Whaler leads to confusion about exactly which boat is being discussed. Also, rewrote original post to enumerate all the questions.]

Re(1): The boat has only been available for about one boating season, having been introduced in 2002, so there is probably not a great number of them out their banging around offshore. Most people who are serious about going offshore in a Boston Whaler buy much larger boats, like a 25- or 27-foot. I am sure that if you pick a calm day you can go offshore, but in a 21-foot boat I would not make a career of it.

Re (3): This boat seems to follow a trend at Boston Whaler in which new models are introduced that are substantially cheaper than the model they replaced. This begs the question, "What did they take out?' In most cases, the cost savings is believed to have been possible by designing the new model for more efficient assembly and thus lower labor costs, but one always has that suspicion that perhaps the materials were also changed.

On the other hand this boat has a 10-year hull warranty, like every other Boston Whaler, so you will enjoy peace of mind regarding catastrophic (or even minor) hull failures.

Re(5): You may be able to negotiate some discount from the dealer since this hull is now a "last year's model". Historically, new Boston Whaler hulls are not sold at steep discount. And since you are now buying a hull/motor package, the buyer has less leverage than ever.

aubv posted 04-26-2003 04:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
KC,

"Offshore" means different things to different people, so not being sure how you define it, I'll give you some food for thought.

One of the first things I think about in determining if a boat meets my needs is, how much fuel is a boat designed to carry? You only need to look at any threads about the Montauk to see just about everyone who buys one adds a bigger fuel tank.(it's part of the reason I ruled it out) The 21 OR prior to 210 OR had a 125 gallon tank, now it's 95 gallons, one of the ways BW saves money that Jimh refers to.

As you may or may not know, fuel consumption goes way up in heavy seas. I have a 2001 23 OR w/225, during a long trip last year it averaged 2.176 gallons/mile with an average speed of 25 mph for the first leg(185 miles). The second leg(read rough 75 miles) we averaged 1.667 gallons/mile and an average speed of less than 15 mph. This is a 23% decline.

What this all mean to you? I use as a formula to help determine what kind of range I might get.

90% of stated fuel capacity then apply the 1/3 rule This would mean in the case of the 210 OR, you have 57 gallons of gas to go to where you want to go, do what you want to do and then get back.

The 210 OR w/175 and the 23' OR w/225 have a similar dry weight to hp ratio.
Using my example above, if you get similar mpg results, you would have a usable range of about 120 miles traveling at 25 mph.

We used to go 8-10 miles offshore in a Katama. We picked our days and listened to the weather reports. If the weather conditions looked like they would change we picked up and went in shore.

As far as fishability, CC's are my choice. I fly fish, drift bait, troll, and use spinning gear for False Albacore, Bonito, Bluefish, Stripers, Fluke, etc.

I can tell you that my 23' OR gets on plane very quickly. Max HP for the 210 is 200 HP so a 175 should be fine. A one minute test ride would provide the answer.

Hope this helps.

Perry posted 04-26-2003 09:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
aubv, 2.176 gallons per mile? That 225 really sucks the gas. Are you sure you don't mean miles per gallon?
aubv posted 04-28-2003 07:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
Perry,

You are correct that was supposed to read miles/gallon. Althought, sometimes it does feel like galllons/mile!

Thanks for pointing out my mistake.

Brian

RKC_00 posted 04-29-2003 12:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for RKC_00  Send Email to RKC_00     
I am [considering buying 2003 210-OUTRAGE]. The dealer is pushing the 175 HP Mecury Opti-Max. Is this enough engine for the boat? I will be using it on the North shore of Long Island (Long Island Sound). Typical load will be 5 adults.
TRAFFICLAWYER posted 04-29-2003 05:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for TRAFFICLAWYER    
I would prefer the MercYam 225 4 stroker, good reliability and economy and more horses. I don't think the 175 with a full load, 5 people and equipment would be adequate. I had a 21-Ventura with a 200 HDPI and I could have used some more ponies.
Sal DiMercurio posted 04-30-2003 01:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sal DiMercurio  Send Email to Sal DiMercurio     
With 5 adults and only a 175-HP, [you're] going to really run that engine hard to get the boat to perform as it should.
My vote is 225 - DFI 2 stroke.
Sal
tully_mars posted 04-30-2003 01:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for tully_mars  Send Email to tully_mars     
I owned a 21' Outrage 1996 with a 225 [A TOTALLY DIFFERENT BOAT THAN THE ONE UNDER DISCUSSION] and with it fully loaded it was still slow to plane. These boats are heavy, the 175-HP motor is not going to give you that great of performance. Probably around 30-32 mph wide open and sluggish in rough water. These other gentlemen are right, get a 225 or 200 DFI motor.

Tully Mars

joncoastie posted 04-30-2003 05:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for joncoastie  Send Email to joncoastie     
I have a 2002 210 Outrage and I love it. It's powered by a Yamaha 200HPDI. WOT is 47mph and cruise is 2900rpm/30mph. I don't know that I would go less than 200 hp. It is a heavy boat.
jimh posted 04-30-2003 07:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
[Moved several comments from another forum to append them to the this thread.--jimh]

The ratings for the 210-OUTRAGE show a very wide ratio of maximum to minimum horsepower, which is quite unusual with the newer Boston Whaler hull designs. For this boat the recommended horsepower is as low as 135 or as high as 225. That is a ratio of 1.67:1.

Compare that with the 270-OUTRAGE which needs a minimum of 400 or a maximum of 500, a ratio of only 1.25:1.

Compare both to a classic hull like the 15-SPORT where the numbers are 20 and 70, and a ratio of 3.5:1. Now that was a hull that was easily driven!

wayne baker posted 04-30-2003 09:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for wayne baker  Send Email to wayne baker     
I really do not have any exact experance with the new 21.I went abord one at a boat show in savannah this year and found it to be downsized almost comprable to my 1997 20 outrage. my boat has a 175 merc. That is plenty of power. Hole shot is good and wide open throtle is about 46 or 47 mph. Ride the new 21 but I would bet the 175 opti would supprise most who advise against it. "BUT" a little more power would make a noticable change in the boat the Question is how much change would it make to the price?
jimh posted 05-01-2003 09:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
In article http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/004246.html a correspondent reports the price of a 210-OUTRAGE with 225-HP 4-stroke at a boat show to be:

$42,990

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