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mustang7nh posted 04-29-2003 07:34 AM ET (US)   Profile for mustang7nh   Send Email to mustang7nh  
I am considering purchasing a 23 Conquest with 225 Merc EFI. Anyone know what the approx towing weight with trailer would be? I plan on pulling it with Jeep 4.7V8 rated at 6500lbs? Thanks
BW23 posted 04-29-2003 10:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for BW23  Send Email to BW23     
From what I read here in the past, 6500 lbs is a good estimate. Depends on water / fuel and gear of course. I don't own a vehicle big enough to tow mine for any distance. Borrowed a F250 ( not sure of gearing) and an older 95 Chevy 1500 ( not sure of gearing). Pulling was a minimal problem. Noticed braking the most. Trailer has brakes only on 1 axle which is legal in Delaware.

You will defenitly know it is behind that Grand Cherokee. If you tow it quite often and any distance you will want a bigger and safer vehicle.

bsmotril posted 04-29-2003 10:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for bsmotril  Send Email to bsmotril     
I have one with hardtop and twin Opti 135s. When I put it on the scale a few months back with full fuel, I had 7300 lbs on the trailer axles and 400 lbs on the hitch tongue. That is from memory, but if you search the archive in this section, you should be able to find my original post with the weigh ticket data.
BillS
HappyTime posted 04-29-2003 03:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for HappyTime  Send Email to HappyTime     
I used to tow my 1999 Outrage 21 with Ford bronco, my outrage has Evinrude 225 and
a kicker, the whole rig with full gas tank +
trailer + and fishing gears + food etc..
weighs 6500# at the scale station.
The bronco has 5.8L V8, 4x4 but it is still too marginal, it struggles up hill and most dangerous of all it does not stop efficiently and it does fish tale time to time. From the weight comparision with
the Conquest, the Conquest 23 is much heavier than my outrage 21, and your Jeep has
much less power than my Ford Bronco.
Now listen carefully, get a F250 with 4x4 if
you want to live a little longer, may be a diesel if you can afford it.
FYI, now I tow with F350 4x4 diesel and it
does the job like a champ.

David Pendleton posted 04-29-2003 06:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Mine usually weighs in at around 7000lbs, also.

I wouldn't even consider your Jeep as a tow vehicle.

diveorfish posted 04-30-2003 09:49 AM ET (US)     Profile for diveorfish  Send Email to diveorfish     
My 23 Outrage weighs 7,400 pounds with the gas tank less than 2/3 full. My boat with a full gas tank and gear has a “go fishing weight” close to 8,000 pounds. When I first bought my boat, I had a half-ton pick rated at 8,000 lbs that many assured me would do the job no problem. After towing it a few times I opted for a ¾ ton because the ½ ton just wasn’t cutting it. The jeep won’t cut it either unless you are towing very short distances say, less than 10 miles or so.

How far and over what kind of terrain do you plan on towing the boat?

tully_mars posted 04-30-2003 01:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for tully_mars  Send Email to tully_mars     
Mustang,

You definitely need a bigger truck unless you are only towing a few miles. The wheelbase just isn't big enough to keep from jackknifing in an emergency, even with trailer brakes. Plus, Jeep is notorious for undersized cooling systems and undersized brakes. Another problem will be tongue weight. The Jeep isn't going to handle that very well as most 23' Conquests seem to be around 300-400 lbs tongue weight.

I tow with an F250 2x4 Powerstroke diesel and it is perfect. If you get a gas 3/4 truck I would recommend a V10, the V-8s are geared so low they just don't get any gas mileage, like 8-10 mpg not towing. My diesl gets 14mpg towing, and 16.5 city unloaded and 20 on the highway unloaded. Better than any gas truck with this type of capability.

Another note, the F250s have a low range that is really low on the 2x4 trucks, you won't have any problems at ramps. So by getting a 2x4 you can offset the cost of the diesel engine.

Another benefit of 2x4 over 4x4 is there is a 10% loss of power due to the transfer case etc... in the transmission. It is minimal in the diesel, but the diesel truck is so heavy they aren't that good as 4x4's in soft areas because they sink to the axles so quick. (Unless you have really really wide tires). It wasn't worth it to me.

Tully Mars

71' Restored Montauk
98' 23' Conquest w/ T150's

ivansfo posted 04-30-2003 04:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for ivansfo  Send Email to ivansfo     
I tow my 23 Conquest T130hp with a Ford F250 4x4 with a 5.4 gas V8. The truck has a 3.73 rear axle and is rated to tow 8200lbs. I can tell you this is enough power if you'll towing where it's all flat.

Around here I live in the hills and I feel this is underpowered for me. I wish I paid the extra money and got the diesel.

I don't recommend towing with a Jeep.

-Ivan

jimh posted 04-30-2003 09:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
For trailering you want two dimension of the tow vehicle to be as big as possible: engine displacement and wheelbase. The bigger the better.

I am trailering with a GMC Suburban, and it is rated at 7,000 pounds. I am only towing about 4500 pounds. I have the auxillary oil cooler and transmission cooler options, the HD towing package options, and the 3.73 rear axle. I tow in "3", never in 'D".

After a 15 mile uphill stretch crossing the mountains in NW Virginia, my transmissio temperature was rising to levels I had never seen before, and I was worried I might lose it. I had towed extensively with this rig before, without problems, but hauling it uphill for 15 miles was too much.

If you plan any type of long distance trailering and in any region with long uphill grades, get a tow vehicle with much, much higher rating than you think you need. This will avoid many problems.

DaveH posted 05-01-2003 03:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for DaveH  Send Email to DaveH     
Mustang:

Rather than upgrade to a $40K truck, I would forget about towing entirely, paint the bottom and find a great place to put the boat for the summer. Long Island is full of very reasonable dockage areas. If you wish to pursue this, there are several members here who could hook you up. Just post where you would like your port of call. This dockage fee would offset entirely the cost of an F-250 diesel which would depreciate faster than a rock.

mustang7nh posted 05-01-2003 08:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for mustang7nh  Send Email to mustang7nh     
The deal has been agreed upon and its a 1997 23 Conquest with 225 EFI Merc. I still have to do a sea trial and final inspection.

Any advice as to how it runs with a single ob? I'm a little nervous that 225 isn't enough.

Also, is the 225 EFI a pretty solid engine? Any advice on what to test on it before deciding to buy?

It seems that the 23 Conquest owners out there love their boats and I'm excited about a 90 mile maiden run to New London and back a week from Fri if the deal goes through. Thanks for all the help.

BW23 posted 05-01-2003 10:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for BW23  Send Email to BW23     
Mustang,

Check all of the hatch covers closely. They are prone to early delamination and serious gel-coat cracks. Only a cosmetic issue and could be a price negotiation item. Also check the hardtop tubing welds. Others on this site have had some problems with cracked welds. BW supplied the materials but not the labor for repair.
I'm hapy with my 225 EFI. The only time I feel I need more power is with a full tank of fuel in a following sea. I did not want the maintenance and fuel consumption of twins.

Enjoy.
Dave

Louie Kokinis posted 05-01-2003 10:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for Louie Kokinis    
Just my $0.02

IMO a 225 EFI is not enough power for the boat :(

If you decide to buy a truck....go with diesel.


Louie

mustang7nh posted 05-02-2003 07:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for mustang7nh  Send Email to mustang7nh     
Are the weld kits from BW easy to get?

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