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Coast Guard Takes Delivery of 24-Outrage
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posted 05-16-2003 05:41 PM ET (US)
The Coast Guard station here at Yankeetown has a new 240-Outrage with twin Mercury's. I didn't see the horsepower but sure looks like a sweet boat. I guess they didn't opt for a "classic", i.e., old [hull design].
posted 05-17-2003 12:57 AM ET (US)
The Coast Guard apparently was in dire need of new boats so they took what they could get from Whaler in a hurry.
The bulk of the money spent on new small craft boats for the Coast Guard went to a vendor of rigid-bottom inflatable boats.
posted 05-17-2003 07:14 AM ET (US)
Geez Jim a bit harsh. Ya we got a big Safeboat too. The bulk of the Coast Guard is hardly inflatables but ya see alot of Safeboats, they are not inflatables. I gotta get my jabs in on the guys that like the old boats Jim, mercey they blast the newer better boats all the time. I do find it interesting that the owner of the forum openly puts down the newer boats. Not the way to appease the folks with newer boats on the forum but Im not surprised. I love this forum, no humor, lots of language arts lessons, and insults, my kind of place. I got a 2001 28 Conquest, think your boat is better Jim? Only in a fools paradise,,,,, Hee Hee Hee
posted 05-17-2003 07:29 AM ET (US)
I was interested in your first post, as well as in jimh's response, but I sure couldn't see (and still can't} the "harsh" in jimh's reply or *any* put down of *any* type of boat.
I think you need to turn down the sensitivity a little on your receiver, bud.
posted 05-17-2003 10:10 AM ET (US)
According to the article I read, the CG had an "urgent and compelling need" and that "Boston Whaler was chosen primarily since its proposal met operational specifications and it had the capability to begin delivery of boats within 10 days of receiving the order and completing the delivery within 30 days".
Apparently BW's "recreational" boats, like the 240-Outrage and the 270-Outrage, met the specs and were used to quickly fill the order.
See this thread for more information continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/004876.html
posted 05-17-2003 12:35 PM ET (US)
Are you sure Jim wasn't refering to the idea that they took a recreational hull quickly rather than spec'ing out a comercial hull? The "F6" key turns down the sensitivity..... JK....Dave
posted 05-17-2003 01:03 PM ET (US)
I think Jim's statement about the CG "taking what they could get" is true. Unfortunately had they not been in "dire need" they would have probably bought Safeboat or Moose. These new aluminum boats a tough and fast. The factorys building them are still small and they don't have boats in stock.
posted 05-18-2003 01:47 PM ET (US)
I'm glad I'm not the only one who has noticed a certain classic whaler owner continually bashing the new whalers. The old "they cost less, therefore must be of lessor construction". Well, I remember when pocket calculators were $250 and now they give them away. Go put on your double-breasted blazer and your Thirsten Howell III hat, have another glass of $100 wine and take a ride in your classics and jar your teeth out of your head in light chop while we enjoy our smooth riding newer boats.
posted 05-18-2003 02:59 PM ET (US)
Welcome to the site, joncoastie; I haven't seen your other post yet, but I hope you didn't find it necessary to come on as negatively with that one as you apparently did here.
May I suggest you get your feet a little more firmly on the ground around here before you start with the insults? How about adding something to this thread that is related to the original topic?
posted 05-18-2003 07:53 PM ET (US)
Sorry I am not a frequent poster however I did read this board often until I noticed the mud slinging about the newer boats. Hey, a guy says he's looking for info regarding a 2002 21 Outrage and he immediately gets corrected that there is no such thing and the correct description of the vessel is actually a 210 Outrage. Hey, did we all not know what he was referring to? Then let's give the guy info and not beat him up about it! That is all.
posted 05-18-2003 11:21 PM ET (US)
I guess I will have to reread my articles about the 170-MONTAUK and the 190-NANTUCKET which appeared long before anything available on-line from Boston Whaler, but this time I will look carefully for the residue from all the mud I was slinging on them.
Re the difference between a 21-Outrage anda 210-Outrage: it's about $20,000 and quite a bit of hull weight (and thus quite a bit of boat).
By the way, how do I get all this mud off of me?
posted 05-19-2003 02:11 AM ET (US)
That hat to which "coastie" refers is called a "boater" or a "straw boater."
The first name of the character on Gillian's Island is spelled "Thurston".
I have only once had a glass of $100 wine in my life. I was out to dinner with another friend and our wives and we were hosting the Associate Conductor of the Symphony Orchestra, and the Guest Soloist from that evening's performance which we had attended thanks to the "comp" tickets they gave us. We made the mistake after about two bottles of wine having been consumed of letting our musical guest order another bottle of a different variety, one from his home country which he assured us was excellent. When the check arrived later that evening I found out the Australian tuba player had ordered wine that cost $100 a bottle. I don't think we even finished it! I won't make that mistake again.
I don't own a double-breasted navy blazer although I do have some Land's End single breasted navy blazers in a couple of different sizes, but the last time I wore one aboard a boat it was aboard the 1003-foot long S.S. NORWAY and it was required in order to be seated for dinner.
I do publish the website and moderate the forum and occassionally I do put forth my own opinion on some topics, even daring to comment on recently made boats from Boston Whaler.
posted 05-19-2003 10:11 AM ET (US)
Easy Guys! This was meant to be a little tongue(did I spell it correctly?)and cheek. Yes, the CG is taking delivery of many new whalers for a short term gap in harbor enforcement capabilities. I have heard the number is somewhere around 90 hulls. Yes, Whaler was the only mfr who could meet the rapid delivery wchedule needed. They expect to use these boat for 18 months.
posted 05-19-2003 11:53 AM ET (US)
Yes, "tongue" is spelled correctly.
However, the phrase is "tongue IN cheek".
posted 05-19-2003 12:14 PM ET (US)
Whaler was able to supply the CG with the boats they immediately needed from available recreational stock, pre-rigged with Mercurys, and pulled from Dealers all over the country. The models purchased include the 240 Outrage, 255 Conquest, and 270 Outrage. I have a photo of one of the 270 models, complete with recreational gold rod holders on the tee top!
None of this is a Classic vs Post Classic issue. The CGP divison only makes boats to order and it certainly makes sense to me that there would be "recreational" inventory around for quick delivery vs build time for the Guardians, if that was even what they wanted. I'm happy to see BW getting a lot of boats out with orange stripes on them. This can only enhance BW's image as a manufacturer of top quality boats. It's also great press for Mercury, as most who will see these boats don't even know that Whaler/Mercury are related, so observers will think the Mercurys were the CG engine of choice.
All in all, it strikes me as a very smart move by Whaler/Mercury/Brunswick.
posted 05-19-2003 01:43 PM ET (US)
Perhaps I have misinterpreted some remarks. I was up at 2 a.m. with indigestion.
RE the Coast Guard contract, the Whaler Proposal included delivery in ten days, which must be a record for any sort of government procurement contract.
posted 05-19-2003 04:40 PM ET (US)
LHG is right. I went to my dealer and BW bought back all their 24 and 27 Outrages. Now my dealer has no inventory of 24ís or 27ís. I didnít know they took the 255ís as well.
posted 05-19-2003 05:04 PM ET (US)
In Clearwater/St. Pete, coasties have a new white non comercial 27 outrage w/twins.
I heard that whaler is letting them keep them for two years or 1500 hours then they are going back...
posted 05-20-2003 01:13 PM ET (US)
It sounds like there will be some Govt. surplus deals in a few years! (Lord, grant me the patience...!)
posted 05-20-2003 07:19 PM ET (US)
A Whaler that has been in the hands of the USCG usually isn't worth waiting for. Most coxswains I know, only know two speeds...
I also thought I heard someone say that the Guard is supposed to give these new boats back after two years. So maybe they be available somewhere.
posted 05-21-2003 03:49 PM ET (US)
You're 100% correct. I've got no experience with how the CG treats their boats, but I've worked with the DNR in the past. There is a good reason why manufacturers make commercial hulls!
posted 05-21-2003 05:04 PM ET (US)
2 years or 1500 hours.
posted 05-21-2003 07:29 PM ET (US)
Could it be the the CG higher ups were told of the "chatter" going on and the alert level was going to be raised to HIGH.
This would require more patrols and security, thus the need for the boats and the rush to get them.
posted 05-21-2003 07:37 PM ET (US)
We just got the 25 conquest with twin 150 optimaxs. It has everything from coaming pads to a cd player. They only difference is that is says coast guard and they have the numbers on the hull say it is a 27. In two years, that poor brand new boat with look like it went thru the river styx. We still have to wear the steel toed boots on board and those gunwales dont like that. No tow post or anything. I am sort of affraid of taking it out in the bad weather because I do not need to take in a new set of windows.
posted 05-21-2003 08:27 PM ET (US)
curiuos as to what performance you get out of those opti's?
posted 05-21-2003 09:04 PM ET (US)
To tell you the truth, we just got it last weekend and I have not had a chance to run it. I will post it. They guys think that it will hit 50 mph.
posted 05-21-2003 09:21 PM ET (US)
My 255 with 7 hours on the motors,[have'nt yet opened it WOT] hits 40 mph [gps] at 4900 rpms with Twin Yamaha 200 HPDI's spinning 17' saltwater series props. Thats three people and about 80 gallons fuel.
posted 05-21-2003 09:54 PM ET (US)
I learned today from an active member of the USCG-Auxillary that there were 5-6 new Boston Whalers delivered recently to Selfridge ANG base, where the Coast Guard's Group Detroit Naval Air Station is located.
The boats were delievered there because it is one place where they could all be stored temporarily while the "orange stripes" and hull numbers could be applied. They also have a nice CG marina and launch ramp there, too.
According to what my friend heard, the Coast Guard plans to use the Boston Whalers for about two years of operation as part of their border patrol. After that they will "discard" them, probably by giving them to the local USCG Auxillary units.
The Coast Guard apparently estimates that they can run the recreational boats for about two years without major investment in repairs and maintenance, and by that time they will have received some of the SAFEBOAT order hulls as replacements.
By the way, my friend told me that patrolling the water looking for bad guys is now "JOB ONE" for the Coast Guard, and Search and Rescue (SAR) is now moved down a notch to second position.
posted 05-22-2003 12:45 AM ET (US)
Depends on the Unit, some have gone to mainly to law enforcement and the others have picked up the slack.
posted 09-12-2003 05:24 AM ET (US)
Here is a link to an article that quotes a C/G chief says of their new Whaler "This thing does in a pinch". The reporter calls the boat unimposing.
posted 09-12-2003 05:26 AM ET (US)
posted 09-12-2003 05:40 AM ET (US)
Just got to thinking I should explain that I didn't post this to make a statement, it's just something I came across and thought the Coast Guardsman's comment was sort of harsh.
posted 09-12-2003 10:00 AM ET (US)
I'm sure that statement was taken out of context.
That Chief has probably been behind the wheel of much bigger and more imposing boats. The military wants equipment that looks the part and looking at that 25 footer, the first thing that came to mind was "pretty white boat".
A couple of 30 cal mini guns and a black or olive drab paint job would help but, it will do in a pinch....as is.
posted 09-14-2003 08:53 PM ET (US)
Saturday afternoon, we passed a good-sized CG Whaler from Marblehead station, headin' back in just west of the lighthouse. Was loaded with what looked to be a rescued family. Lotsa folks on board with life jackets. We were headin' over to Cedar Point. What surprised me was that it was single-engine. Exchanged waves with the young man at the helm. Sure is good to see the CG on a Whaler.
Saw another Whaler perchin' south of Kelleys Sunday. Sure is nice to see kindred spirits out on the water.
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