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Traded: 170 Montauk 03 for 18 Outrage 2000
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posted 08-25-2003 05:10 PM ET (US)
Opportunities do not present themselves too often in life and it just so happened that one was presented to me that I acted upon. In June 03'I took delivery of a 170 Montauk 03' and spent about a month and a half bonding with it. I put about 20 hours on the 2 stroke 90HP Merc. In early August 03' I traded it in for a 18 Outrage 00' and took delivery on the Outrage this past weekend. The Outrage had been used by the dealer less than 50 hours as a demo and then hid in the back of their showroom. The price was right and the postives for making the move outweighed the negatives.
Am I compulsive? Yes! Am I crazy? I don't know, you guys tell me. I will certainly miss the Montauk, especially it's acceleration and nimbleness but I welcome the room, features and overall muscle of the small Outrage. My wife and three young boys like the Outrage too. They were another reason I made the move.
The Outrage came with the 135XL Optimax 00' and I understand that I will not have the top end or the hole shot of the 90HP 2 Stroke on the Montauk. It's a trade off that I will live with until I switch powerplants some years down the road. I've read just about everything out here and some folks can live with the 135 Opti on the 18 Outrage while others have moved up to max out the boat with a 200HP powerplant. When that time comes I'll be ready but for now I am enjoying the ride of this bigger boat. It certainly is very heavy and it's loaded with 90 gallons of fuel so I guess I will not be partaking in too many more Pate discussions. I do have a Moeller 26 gallon tank that I bought from Jimm that is now for sale. Let me know if anyone is interesated. I find docking the Outrage a little easier as it does not get pushed around much. If there are any 18 Outrage 00' owners out there I'd love to hear from you and your experiences. My first question is what prop is everybody running? Mirage Plus 17P? Vengeance 17p? or a simple Black Max 16 or 17 for everyday use?
posted 08-25-2003 07:07 PM ET (US)
Crazy? No, I don't think so.
With five in your family it sounds like you can use that extra room. Also it sounds like you got a good deal so what the heck...
posted 08-26-2003 08:08 AM ET (US)
You may never need another boat.
After you spend some time on the 18' OR I think you would be hard pressed to go back to a Montauk. Especially, if you fish in open water. jmho.
Best of luck with the boat.
posted 08-26-2003 09:16 AM ET (US)
Yes, I do fish in open water, and as much as I liked the Montauk, fishing in and amongst the fleet always made me a little nervous, especially with some of the bigger party boats who seem to throw some of the biggest and steepest wakes. The additional space on board plus the fish boxes and raw water wash down will definitely help me manage the boat a little better when the fish start coming over the side. The rod holders eliminate the need for all the clamp-on rod holders that I had on my Montauk and the big 92Qt cooler under the leaning post eliminated the need for a cooler in front of the console thereby allowing me to concede to the wife and have a sun lounge/cushion installed in the bow when I take her and the kids out for a cruise. You are right, I think I may never need another boat. I had a Mills Bimini installed but after taking with the folks at BW I see that I can still get the T-Top for this 18 Outrage. So perhaps if I save my pennies that will be another upgrade in the future.
posted 08-26-2003 03:11 PM ET (US)
Keep the bimini, T-tops on 18' boats are manipulative in any kind of wind. When it gets cooler, you can drop the bimini for sun, can't with a t-top.
posted 08-26-2003 05:41 PM ET (US)
I have 1999 Outrage 18 with the 150 Opti. We use the boat for everything and I love it.
I have the Mirage ss17 prop and I don't think it's best for the boat only hit about 4600 rpm wot and top end id about 35 kts.
I mostly cruise around 27 kts so it's no big deal though
posted 08-26-2003 05:42 PM ET (US)
Thats a good point, in fact I can take the whole bimini off the boat with relative ease, not to mention what effects trailering has on the T-top. I guess I need to rethink the T-Top. I just got back from taking the boat out. With a full tank of gas and two 200lb+ guys on board and bimini up, the boat did a respectful 41mph on the Garmin GPS at 5200RPM WOT with a Vengeance Stainless Steel 17P. Thinking about changing to a Black Max to not beat up the lower end so much. Does anybody have any thoughts of running aluminum rather than stainless steel?
posted 08-26-2003 09:06 PM ET (US)
While Bigshot makes some valid points regarding sun on cooler days and wind, I differ on bimini vs. T-top. Here are some different points to consider.
I find I never use our bimini on our 17' because it's always in the way, up or down. I find fighting a frisky fish to much of a challenge with a bimini.
A t-top offers better vertical clearance than a bimini.
A fixed t-top also keeps me out the sun much more as I can't put it down, I find this to be a good thing and find I'm less tired not being exposed to the sun for long periods of time.
The rod holders on a t-top work well for cleared rods once a fish is on. (I never use them while under way)
posted 08-26-2003 10:39 PM ET (US)
I am not familiar with the 150 Opti but the 135 Opti lists WOT between 5000 and 5500. When I initially took delivery of the boat I tired to bring the boat to WOT and found that I could only get to 4700 and 36 mph on the GPS. I brought my concerns to the dealer and the mechanic checked it out right away and discovered one of the direct injectors was malfunctioning. After the fix I had no problem reaching around 4950 planed down and 5200 planed up. As I mentioned in a previous post I am thinking about switching to a Black Max aluminum prop which should increase the rpm a bit more and help get it up on a plane a little earlier.
I also saw my 03' Montauk that I traded in being prepped for sale. I'm not sure what the dealer will ask for her but since she has less than 20 hours on her and the price of the 04' Montauk has gone up, I'm sure someone will get a great deal on her. I'll miss her.
posted 08-27-2003 01:27 PM ET (US)
I have a 17 Outrage with an Opti 135. I'm running the Mercury Vengeance SS prop with a 19 pitch. I am getting on the GPS close to the theoretical speed of 48 mph at 5600 RPM. Check your engine height as well, as my boat was set up too low from the dealer. Went up 1 hole (AV plate about 1/2-1 inch above the keel bottom. Planes at around 3000 RPM, and rides better as well in the 1-2 ft bay chop we get in SF.
posted 08-27-2003 03:04 PM ET (US)
Don't get me wrong....I love my T-top on my 20' Hydra-sports but when it gets cool, I wish I could drop it down. Gets pretty cold at speed in the shade on a 50-60 degree day.
My big beef with T-tops on a small boat is that it can really manipulate the boat in even light wind. On my 20' it can do some weird stuff. When windy it will heel the boat over slightly and without trim tabs it gets annoying driving crooked and can be wet. It also screw you up docking and can REALLY move the boat around while drifting. While I will NEVER remove the t-top, I feel that this 20' boat weighing in well over 3k with fuel is about as small as I would go with a t-top. I think on a smaller & lighter boat it could be even dangerous if a squall kicked up.
posted 08-27-2003 04:18 PM ET (US)
Thanks for your comments, your points are helpful and well thought out. I think at some time (read...when my wife lets me) I will consider a T-top on the Outrage as it was offered as a standard option ($$$$) on this boat by BW. I am sure the design engineers took the weight issue into consideration before offering the top as an option. The 2000 18 Outrage weighs abt. 3000 lbs when rigged without fuel. Fill it with 90 gallons of fuel and a couple fisherman and I am sure she will be ok. Today I have the bimini and if I lose a decent size fish on light tackle doing a dance around the bimini poles and straps, then I will rethink the T-top issue.
This boat does not get pushed around as much as the 170 Montauk that I just traded in, either while docking or drifting so I am not overly concerned about the T-top effecting performance or ride.
posted 08-27-2003 10:14 PM ET (US)
Did anybody try this T-seat? it also folds down?
It sounds very practical, plus more front room to cast and get a suntan if you like. sam
posted 09-02-2003 11:13 PM ET (US)
When I fish with my bimini, I only hook one strap in the front, so it comes down fast! Cant say I have caught enough big fish that required me to do 360's on deck.
Bimini has all the heighth clearance you design for. Plus it has more deck coverage and also helps in the rain.
And as Biggie said, you can remove in less than 5 minutes when its cold out, like 70ish.... ;)
posted 09-04-2003 09:49 PM ET (US)
Does the dealer still have your 2003 Montauk - I finally convinced my husband that's the boat for us!
posted 09-05-2003 10:22 AM ET (US)
I just called my dealer and they still have the boat. They are located on the Hudson River in New York about 40 miles north of NYC. Surfside3 is the dealer, they are located in Haverstraw, NY (Rockland County) on the West side of the Hudson, and on the East side of the Hudson at Charles Point in Peekskill, NY (Westchester County). Their number is 845 429-5100. Ginny (Virginia) is the boss and you can deal with her or Ken who is a sales guy. Good bunch of folks. Surfside3 is also a huge BW/Sea Ray dealer with multiple locations (9, I think) in NY and CT, so if you are near any of them, I'm sure the dealers could work out something and have the boat brought closer to you.
2003 Montauk 170 w/Bimini (Dark Blue (Captain Navy)).
Fishing Package (Rod Holders/Locking Tackle draw on stb. side of console)
I took an in water delivery and kept the boat in a slip so the boat has not been trailered except when it was sitting in the dealer lot.
I also bought a Sunbrella Captain Navy Custom Boat Cover (Type A $495.00) for the boat which I still have in the box. I found the phone number of Hurricane from a post on this site by Holy Cow back in May. I was going to call them to see if I could return it, but if you or anyone else reading this with a Montauk 170MT is interested in a heavy duty cover with straps, let me know.
Hope this helps and please feel free to contact me if you have any other questions. I know my dealer has a 2004 Montauk on the lot too, so a barely used 2003 would be a good deal.
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