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RJM posted 09-26-2003 03:03 PM ET (US)
How often do you have to pull the forward drain plug in the fish well that connects to the fuel tank area?
How does the water get in there and has anyone figured out how to prevent water from entering?
Also, I take it that the drain on the starboard fish well is simply a drain of the cable and electrical wire channel? Please let me know, Thanks.
prm1177 posted 09-28-2003 04:40 PM ET (US)
You don't say which model Outrage II you have, but I'll take a stab at it.
My 1996 17 doesn't have a drain plug leading from the fuel area per se. There is the wiring harness outlet bowside at the top of the live well, and a drain to starboard. You are correct that the stbd drain is from the wiring harness tray that runs through the boat. I do have a drain plug at the bottom of the well. The only way I can see for water to infiltrate around the tank is a leak in the deck caulking
RJM posted 09-28-2003 11:26 PM ET (US)
Prm1177
Thanks for the reply; there was a contemporary discussion going on over at Classic Whaler: Repairs/ Mods regarding "Removing water from the fuel tank bay" which taught me a lot.
I also have a 1996 17' Outrage (I think its referred to as a Outrage II which I believe is very similiar to the 17' Justice) that has a small plastic plug underneath the wiring harness (wires that go to the fish well pump)in the fish well. I recently removed this plug and 1 or 2 gallons of nasty brown water came out. I will start pulling this plug and opening the fuel tank inspection hatch from now on and monitor the situation. I think by leaving these open during storage; the area around the tank will dry out and I may prevent some of the problems that others have had.
PMUCCIOLO posted 09-28-2003 11:31 PM ET (US)
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prm1177 posted 09-29-2003 01:34 PM ET (US)
Hmmm. I will pull this plastic plug as well on my 17 OR II. I'll let you know what I find.
Paul
prm1177 posted 09-29-2003 04:59 PM ET (US)
Chuck at BW confirms the plastic plug to be the drain from the tank area. He recommends pulling the plug periodically to drain infiltrated water from rhe tank area. Recommended when trailered bow up.
robeng posted 09-29-2003 09:40 PM ET (US)
This my first time on this site. Interesting topics. I too, have an Outrage II, but I don't recall seeing any plastic plug below the hole for the wiring harness. Prior to the start of this years fishing season when I was prepping the boat, I lifted up the access cover above the fuel tank as was shocked to see that it was full of water. I left the cover open for few weeks and hoped that the water dried out. I guess I will take a hard look in my fish box to see if there is a drain plug. Can you tell me again, where it is exactly? Thanks for your info.
Jerry Townsend posted 09-29-2003 10:20 PM ET (US)
Hey guys - I am the one who mentioned the fuel tank area drain - after being informed of it by another CW member (don't know his CW name - first name is John). John graciously contacted me following my comments about getting a line into the fuel tank area to remove any accumulated water - pointing out that there is a drain already installed by BW.
Water can get in the fuel tank area by a number of ways - via the deck with a bad seal, via the fuel tank inspection/connection port with a bad seal, via overflow via the hose/wire penetration near the top of the below deck sump/storage area.
I may be mistaken, but believe that every Outrage II has the drain - at least the '96 17 Outrage boats have it. It is, but another benefit of that design.
In my case, we had some real screwy weather a couple of years ago and I had a couple of small holes in the winter tarp. Water ran into the sump/storage area and eventually closed the drain which was open, with the plug removed. In the spring, I found water/ice up to the hose/wire penetration and suspect that some water ran into the fuel tank area. When I removed the nylon plug, perhaps 1 - 2 gallons of relatively clean water drained from that area.
I plan on periodically (2 - 3 times a year) remove/replace the plug to drain any accumulated water. I do not run with the sump drain plug removed - and will pick up water via rain or inflow through the self-bailing flapper valves (there is some name for these). Normally, with the sump pump on, this water is discarded. ---- Jerry/Idaho
Jerry Townsend posted 09-29-2003 10:27 PM ET (US)
One thing I neglected to mention - the nylon plug is on the forward/bow wall of the sump area, near the bottom and could be hidden by the sump pump discharge hose. -- Jerry/Idaho
RJM posted 09-29-2003 11:56 PM ET (US)
Jerry, Thanks for the information on the fuel tank drain. Those self bailing flapper values are sometimes called scuppers. I have found that the scuppers on my boat sometimes leak; filling up the fish well over the course of a days trip. I recently went to the hardware store and bought two plumbing pipe plugs that fit perfectly. (Two or three bucks each) I can now use my fish well for storage if I need to.

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Author	Topic: Drains in the fish well on a 1996 Outrage ll
RJM	posted 09-26-2003 03:03 PM ET (US) How often do you have to pull the forward drain plug in the fish well that connects to the fuel tank area? How does the water get in there and has anyone figured out how to prevent water from entering? Also, I take it that the drain on the starboard fish well is simply a drain of the cable and electrical wire channel? Please let me know, Thanks.
prm1177	posted 09-28-2003 04:40 PM ET (US) You don't say which model Outrage II you have, but I'll take a stab at it. My 1996 17 doesn't have a drain plug leading from the fuel area per se. There is the wiring harness outlet bowside at the top of the live well, and a drain to starboard. You are correct that the stbd drain is from the wiring harness tray that runs through the boat. I do have a drain plug at the bottom of the well. The only way I can see for water to infiltrate around the tank is a leak in the deck caulking
RJM	posted 09-28-2003 11:26 PM ET (US) Prm1177 Thanks for the reply; there was a contemporary discussion going on over at Classic Whaler: Repairs/ Mods regarding "Removing water from the fuel tank bay" which taught me a lot. I also have a 1996 17' Outrage (I think its referred to as a Outrage II which I believe is very similiar to the 17' Justice) that has a small plastic plug underneath the wiring harness (wires that go to the fish well pump)in the fish well. I recently removed this plug and 1 or 2 gallons of nasty brown water came out. I will start pulling this plug and opening the fuel tank inspection hatch from now on and monitor the situation. I think by leaving these open during storage; the area around the tank will dry out and I may prevent some of the problems that others have had.
PMUCCIOLO	posted 09-28-2003 11:31 PM ET (US) http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/000676.html
prm1177	posted 09-29-2003 01:34 PM ET (US) Hmmm. I will pull this plastic plug as well on my 17 OR II. I'll let you know what I find. Paul
prm1177	posted 09-29-2003 04:59 PM ET (US) Chuck at BW confirms the plastic plug to be the drain from the tank area. He recommends pulling the plug periodically to drain infiltrated water from rhe tank area. Recommended when trailered bow up.
robeng	posted 09-29-2003 09:40 PM ET (US) This my first time on this site. Interesting topics. I too, have an Outrage II, but I don't recall seeing any plastic plug below the hole for the wiring harness. Prior to the start of this years fishing season when I was prepping the boat, I lifted up the access cover above the fuel tank as was shocked to see that it was full of water. I left the cover open for few weeks and hoped that the water dried out. I guess I will take a hard look in my fish box to see if there is a drain plug. Can you tell me again, where it is exactly? Thanks for your info.
Jerry Townsend	posted 09-29-2003 10:20 PM ET (US) Hey guys - I am the one who mentioned the fuel tank area drain - after being informed of it by another CW member (don't know his CW name - first name is John). John graciously contacted me following my comments about getting a line into the fuel tank area to remove any accumulated water - pointing out that there is a drain already installed by BW. Water can get in the fuel tank area by a number of ways - via the deck with a bad seal, via the fuel tank inspection/connection port with a bad seal, via overflow via the hose/wire penetration near the top of the below deck sump/storage area. I may be mistaken, but believe that every Outrage II has the drain - at least the '96 17 Outrage boats have it. It is, but another benefit of that design. In my case, we had some real screwy weather a couple of years ago and I had a couple of small holes in the winter tarp. Water ran into the sump/storage area and eventually closed the drain which was open, with the plug removed. In the spring, I found water/ice up to the hose/wire penetration and suspect that some water ran into the fuel tank area. When I removed the nylon plug, perhaps 1 - 2 gallons of relatively clean water drained from that area. I plan on periodically (2 - 3 times a year) remove/replace the plug to drain any accumulated water. I do not run with the sump drain plug removed - and will pick up water via rain or inflow through the self-bailing flapper valves (there is some name for these). Normally, with the sump pump on, this water is discarded. ---- Jerry/Idaho
Jerry Townsend	posted 09-29-2003 10:27 PM ET (US) One thing I neglected to mention - the nylon plug is on the forward/bow wall of the sump area, near the bottom and could be hidden by the sump pump discharge hose. -- Jerry/Idaho
RJM	posted 09-29-2003 11:56 PM ET (US) Jerry, Thanks for the information on the fuel tank drain. Those self bailing flapper values are sometimes called scuppers. I have found that the scuppers on my boat sometimes leak; filling up the fish well over the course of a days trip. I recently went to the hardware store and bought two plumbing pipe plugs that fit perfectly. (Two or three bucks each) I can now use my fish well for storage if I need to.