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170 MONTAUK--2004 Trailer?
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posted 10-04-2003 06:32 PM ET (US)
Have Boston Whaler changed the trailer in the 170 MONTAUK package?
--Is the new trailer any wider between the fenders? The old had very close clearance from all pictures I have seen.
--Who is the vendor on the new trailer?
--Is it painted, galvanized, or aluminum?
--Does it include guide-on posts?
--Where are the tail lights mounted?
--Has anyone taken delivery of this new trailer?
--Has anyone a picture of this new trailer?
--Did it affect the package price? The last advertised price I saw for the package was $17,400 for the base boat, motor, and trailer.
posted 10-04-2003 08:49 PM ET (US)
Why don't you contact your local Whaler dealer, get the info you desire and then post the results rather than surfing for info that may or may not be correct?
posted 10-04-2003 09:23 PM ET (US)
Whalen, AQUANUT, and Goosedog have '04 Montauks with the new trailer, a Karavan. Only Goosedog has his email address listed though.
From what I understand, ALL the "Legends," maybe all Whalers, come with Karavan swing tongue trailers this year.
Hope this helps,
posted 10-04-2003 09:34 PM ET (US)
Dick--my local Whaler dealer is, ah, let me say, not exactly a font of Boston Whaler knowledge. He's a very successful Sea Ray dealer who just recently acquired the Boston Whaler line. When he sells that four-year-old DAUNTLESS 16 off the show room floor, he'll probably order a 170 MONTAUK to replace it.
Also, as demonstrated in the past, Dealer-A has one take on a situation and Dealer-B tells a totally different story.
A quick survey here tells more than an hour on the telephone. And you can't always get people on the telephone; I have tried.
posted 10-05-2003 09:24 AM ET (US)
I have the 2004. It is a Karavan with folding tongue. It is Galvanized. The damn thing is narrow, with no guide on's. The rear lights are protected with overhanging heavy gauge corner plates. I will try to get a picture today of the trailer and of the 24 gallon Pate. I bought a 2004 170 with 2 Stroke, fishing package, swim ladder, and 24 gallon Pate no front cushion and no Bimini for mid 19k. Seems high compared to what I see refered to as the advertised price.
posted 10-05-2003 07:32 PM ET (US)
Jim, I got the 170 04 with 90 Merc 4-sroke, fishing package, sun top (not Mills), swim ladder, Caravan trailer with swing tongue for 23K and some change. I traded in a Sea Ray for half what it is worth, I had to get rid of it. My 74 13 sport found a loving home in TN. As for the trailer, it doesn't have guide ons, it has plastic fenders that adjust in two positions so it becomes flush with the outside of the tire ( will fit like a glove in my 96 inches garage door). Today I added carpeted bunk boards guide-ons, 60 inchs guide posts and trying to figure how I want to mount both Garmin 240 blue fishfinder and GPS-MAP 162. I ordered the Uniden Atlantis-black handheld VHF, but it is on back order. I'll use the boat mostly for fishing on lake Murray. Might use it once in a while for water skiing when my son has a weekend off from football and soccer. I trailered the boat three times and was not impressed with the trailer. It's 2 inchs galvanized beams give with the rocking movement of the boat on the road, also big part is the weight of the 4-stroke. I look in the mirror and I can the bow rocking up and down, althought the winch is as tight as possible. All washes out when you get the 170 on the water, the ride is beautiful. I'll post pictures after I mount the Garmins. Sam
posted 10-05-2003 08:00 PM ET (US)
I forgot another thing with the new trailer, it doesn't have a post coming upfront the winch( see reference to picures of the 02 in model). Stepping off the trailer to the boat is very difficult. It is not that I'm 265 lb! I put in a pre 02 Montauk alone before, it was a peace of cake. But with the new trailer, it is just dificult without a post to step on?!. Coming off the boat to the trailer is another story due to the configuration of the bow rails in the 170, it curves all the way to the edge of the bow, and there is no supporting post in the middle. The classic pre 02 Montauk had a highter bow rails and was pushed to the back so you can easly step to the outside of the rails and on the post. Sam
posted 10-07-2003 08:35 AM ET (US)
In my opinion,the close clearance on the trailer fenders is not a bad thing. When I bought the boat my immediate thought was wow they cut that close.As it turns out it becomes a smart decision. When loading the boat on the trailer the boat automatically goes into the proper position and leaves about an inch clearance between the boat and the trailer on each side. The plus is that had they left a wider space I would not have been able to fit the trailer in the garage.
As you know the new trailers come with the swing tongue, I had to order mine as an option from EZloader. Cost was about $125
I still feel that it makes it much easier to load with guide posts and that whaler should include them. Retail they are only about $60
posted 10-09-2003 08:23 PM ET (US)
Photographs of the new Karavan trailer now being delivered with the 2004 models of 170 MONTAUK have been appended to the Cetacea Article at Cetacea Page 58.
posted 10-10-2003 01:14 AM ET (US)
The close fenders are not a problem at all. Like Tabasco said, the boat perfectly center's itself every time. I have the 03EZloader and I thought I would want guide on's when first I saw it. I quickly found out it doesn't need them.
posted 10-10-2003 08:55 AM ET (US)
Guide post only come into play if you are loading the boat on the trailer and there is a current in the water. It keeps the boat in position. Without the guide posts the stern will drift over the fenders and almost make loading the boat impossible.
posted 10-10-2003 09:06 AM ET (US)
The fenders on both the EZ LOADER and the KARAVAN trailers look like they are made from plastic.
Are the fenders strong enough to support the weight of an adult so they can be used to step aboard the boat while on the trailer?
posted 10-10-2003 09:14 AM ET (US)
Yep, they are fairly strong on the EZ-loader, and they do not mark the gelcoat. Jim
posted 10-10-2003 12:30 PM ET (US)
The the fenders have steps for easy boarding and are non marking plastic. Tabasco, I'm not doubting your need for guide on's in current but I have a observation. You state the the stern can drift over the fenders, that can only happen if the trailer is in the water too far. I only back it in so that the tops of the fenders are still above water. As the boat is either power loaded or winched on it centers itself as it is goes up the bunks and never touches the fenders. When I first started trailering many years ago I always backed in too far and had problems like you describe. An old timer showed me what I was doing wrong and I've never needed guide on's since. Give it a try, hope this helps.
posted 10-13-2003 08:29 AM ET (US)
Rich M- I agree that 90 % of the time you do not need the guide posts. It was actually four months into owner the Montauk that I first encountered the problem. I was loading the boat on the trailer with the fenders 6 inches above the water line but the current on the river had to be 6-7 knots riding the hull right on top of the fenders. It took three tries with the help of a friend standing in the water to load the boat. No granted this is not your normal situation and it probably might happen once in a season, but after I installed the guides and went back to the same river it loaded without a problem.
In conclusion, without the guide posts in these conditions the stern will just swing out and ride over the fenders. The approach angle will change in seconds swinging the stern out way past the approach angle.
posted 10-13-2003 09:54 AM ET (US)
I have found my guide posts on my 170 to be a lifesaver when loading by myself. Without the posts, the stern end would always kick out to far. With the posts, I only need to get the bow between the posts and the posts keep the boat straight. There is always a decent current at the ramp and the new Montauk seems to get moved around pretty easily by the wind.
posted 10-13-2003 08:11 PM ET (US)
I installed 5 foot carpeted guide bunks on my new 2004
Karavan trailer on Sunday. The black carpeting matches the original trailer bunks. I haven't had the chance to try them yet, due to Lake Michigan conditions yesterday and I'm waiting for my caulk to dry on the transom where I mounted the starboard for my Garmin transducer. I don't see why they wouldn't work out though. I loaded it once so far, and the boat does center itself quite nicely. I will be loading it by myself and my 6 year old son most of the time, so I can use all the help I can get. Just thought I'd toss in my 2 cents for what it's worth.
posted 10-14-2003 09:52 AM ET (US)
On my previous '91 Montauk with Karavan trailer, I added 5 foot bunk guides as mentioned above. Loaded perfectly under all conditions including crosswinds, Miss. river current, etc. I think it's the easiest, lowext-cost solution.
posted 10-14-2003 09:36 PM ET (US)
OK, I took the 170 out on rough and windy Lake Michigan today. Didn't stay out too long. They had gail warnings and small craft advisories, so I headed back in. Only got slightly wet. I backed the 2004 Karavan trailer in so the plastic fenders were slightly above water level, and the 5 foot bunk guides worked perfectly. There is maybe a half inch on each side of the hull. One nice advantage over the upright tubular guides is that you can leave your fenders hanging outside the hull when loading and they don't get pinched like they did on the tubular type.
posted 02-16-2004 02:53 AM ET (US)
First, I want to thank all of the contributors to this forum. I have been researching boats for over a year to find the right one for my situation. I believe I have. I took delivery of a 2004, M170, on Dec. 12, 2003. For various reasons I didn't get it in the water Saturday, 7 February, 2004.
I live in Hawaii, Island of Oahu, about one mile from the boat ramp at Waianae Small Boat Harbor. One reason for the delay in launching the boat is that we had very high surf for several months. The harbor usually has a foot or so of surf on the launch ramp, however,it has been running up to three feet lately. I had bunk board guide rails installed by the dealer; an absolute must out here. The other absolute must, we call a slip tongue for the trailer. The Whalers had been shipped with an Easy Loader trailer, however, in 2004 this changed tp the Karavan. Spectrum trailers had, in stock, a slip tongue for the Easy Loader, but had to fabricate one for the Karavan. After much discussion and delay, I designed one myself, made drawings, and had them fabricate it and install it. (Pictures later)
The slip tongue worked out perfectly (one inch clearance for the cross brace) and gives me 29 feet from the trailer tire to the rear tire of the tow car, a Mercedes 300E. With two feet of surf on the ramp, I didn't even get the rear tire on the wet part of the ramp.
That first day was primarily a shake down cruise to see what worked and what didn't. Also, to break-in the engine IAW the manual. (Yeh, I read it first.) I have the 90 Four Stroke, and one difference I noticed is ya'll had a 16 pitch prop on the earlier models; mine has an 18 pitch (P-18 stamped right on the hub.) The other difference is two cleats in the stearn -- I guess they do listen. They were not aft of the rails like the aftermarket ones I had seen prefviously, they were just forward of the rear rail attach point. I like the location as it should prevent lines and leaders from fouling on the cleats.
The engine started and ran smooth, however, sometimes accelerating from idle to mid throttle I got a little hesitation. Remember, this was the first 3.5 hours on the engine. My GPS was reading knots, and 3000 to 3500 RPM was giving me around 23 to 28 knots. The sea state was reported 2-4 ft. swell and 2 ft. wind waves. Not in the same direction which made for a confused sea. After hour two, IAW the manual, I tried WOT. The GPS was bouncing so much I couldn't read it. The RPM was about 5500. I was afraid to trim nose up, for fear of losing control. Later, I saw the max speed saved by the GPS was 34.9 knots/39.5 MPH. That is about as fast as I care to go except on the rare occasion when we have smooth seas. At 4500 RPM I tried trimming bow up, however, anything above approx. 3 degrees and the ride became very harsh. It likes the nose down to go through the waves, othewise it pound badly on the stearn. I considered the 60 four stroke, but the 90 is better. Not for the top end, but because I can get my usual cruise speed of approx. 25 kts. at approx. 3500 RPM. This motor should last me the rest of my life at that power setting.
Again, thanks to all the contributors. This forum has been the best source of Whaler info I could find.
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