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onlyawhaler posted 10-05-2003 10:54 PM ET (US)   Profile for onlyawhaler   Send Email to onlyawhaler  
I would appreciate any feedback on differences between a 90-93 Whaler 21 walkaround vs a 97-2000? 21 Conquest. I am in the market for one. I love my Outrage and will probably never sell it, but I have 3 teenage daughters and my wife and they aren't as appreciative as I am on the "classics. I am going alone more than I would like.
I just sold a project Revenge that I don't have the time right now in my life to restore and I need and I quote a "family whaler"

Neither of these two cuddys (I believe) are considered classics. No smirk, one is square backed, the Conquest is Euro styled. Rear seating is similar with rear quarter seats. Any precieved difference in quality or value.

If the emphasis is on more cruising and less fishing which is better? Any other Whaler choices with a cuddy in this length I am not seeing?

Thanks in advance


Clark Roberts posted 10-06-2003 06:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for Clark Roberts  Send Email to Clark Roberts     
Sterling, I have had neither but offer the following: examine each for layout and convienience (the 21 WA seems to have easier access to bow and helm seems to be higher and more convieniently placed); check out bilge access for ease of getting to the tanks, rigging, etc); check out specs for weight/max power etc.. Most likely either will suit your needs ... best to water test and compare! Happy Whalin'... Clark.... Spruce Creek Navy
gimcrack225 posted 10-06-2003 09:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for gimcrack225    
I have a 21'Walkaround. I am impressed with the build quality. I wanted a hull that would handle choppy water and more open water like the Long Island Sound and would let me make overnights. My Nauset shines on smooth water but was not at her best in the 3' standing chop that we frequently have on the Hudson River. I like the ride of the "V" hull. She bow-steers a bit in quartering seas but I'll take that and the smoother ride over the pounding of a cathedral hull.

I might suggest you look at the 23'WA for the larger cuddy and enclosed head and a sink. I think there is a very nice one for sale on CW. The extra 2 feet makes a big difference.

The cuddy is not large but its dry, closed to weather and pretty well thought out. It would certainly provide protection from weather or a separate place to go for teenagers. The head (under one of the berth cushions)is ceramic with a holding tank not a portapotty.

The boat would not be large enough to overnight 5 people unless you had people sleeping on the deck in sleeping bags.

The cockpit is not large (comfortable for two) but it provides the necessary protection from wind and rain. The two seats swivel to face aft. There are live wells in the deck, a bait well (use for dry storage) under a seat and a number of rod holders here and there, other than that the boat does not scream out "fishing machine". I don't fish so the fish wells have become storage for swabs and brushes. They fill with rain water and have thru-hull (underway) drains.

I like the square transom, I wouldn't buy anything else.
The two transom seats are right next to a large outboard motor. I have yet to see one of my guests choose to sit there. You will need to get some comfortable deck chairs.
The transom is reinforced on the stbd. side with wood and aluminum plate for an auxiliary motor mount.

The forward deck is a treasure. The walkaround pathway makes it safe to access while underway. Its big for a 21 footer, quiet and has a large (optional) cushion over the hatch and a solid railing. A great place to be.

You can beach the boat and without much effort climb on and off from the pulpit. The pulpit is also handy for passing lines ashore or jumping off onto docks.
Good luck

fuelfish posted 10-06-2003 12:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for fuelfish  Send Email to fuelfish     
I am with gimcrack, the 21-23 WA are fabulous boats. They ride so dry and smooth and they really have a big boat feel but you can still stick it on a trailer and not be terrified. I have a 23' and was "forced" into it because my wife was tired of being beat to death by the elements in the NW and wanted a way to get out of the weather. She was a little surprised when I pulled up with this monster (previous whaler: Montauk). But she is probably as big a fan of this boat as I am because you can have a bunch of friends and kids and there is room for everyone to do their own thing. The girls like to sunbathe and talk on the foredeck which is quiet and private. Every one can change in the cabin with no wierdness and the cockpit is big and comfortable for sitting around.

We unexpectedly found it to be like a vacation home. While we got the cabin just to get out of the storm, we camp all the time and spend weekends just tied up in a little cove somwhere. Again, this is not unique to boating but it is unique in a package that you can trailer anywhere. I heard someone refer to these modles as a pocket cruiser and that fits pretty well.

In terms of comparison to the Conquest, do a little price stability homework. This date range of WA's was built to compete with Grady-White during Reebok's ownershop of Whaler and the mandate was to make them as overbuilt as possible. They ceased production because the manufacturing costs excceeded the retail price, that is why there are so few of them.

Kirk and I are obviously jaded but I have had shots at many other boats both larger and more expensive but have always decided to stay with the WA. They are just such fine boats. Kirk makes a fine point. We are 1/3 fish and 2/3 cruise and the boat is not at all a fish only situation which I love.

Mine is currently for sale as I have my first baby on the way and after three years of work, I don't want to see her sit for another three years until I can get back into boating. So I will shamelessly post my URL on boattrader for you to peruse. You don't need to buy my boat but you do need to get a 21-23 Walkaround.

If you have any questions about these boats, please ask.


Eagleman posted 10-06-2003 12:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for Eagleman  Send Email to Eagleman     
"It ain't the boat" it's the present age of your daughters. I'd suggest that you keep what you got and weather the storm. Show your daugther's how to operate & enjoy the Outrage. They will suddenly love the Outrage only problem you and Mom will be back on the shore. Get a couple of good books, a sun umbrella big enough for you and your wife and plently of sun screen. In a few years when the girls go to college you and mother get the boat back. Been there done it!

Good luck,

onlyawhaler posted 10-06-2003 07:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for onlyawhaler  Send Email to onlyawhaler     
Great, great advice and feedback. Everytime I think about possibly selling my outrage, I just walk around the house, peak under the cover and look at things and I am resolute again never to sell.

I would love to have both and that is my goal. Kids bring grandkids and a cuddy would be nice in an unsinkable.

I am on the lookout for a nice one


dauntlass 18 posted 10-06-2003 09:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for dauntlass 18  Send Email to dauntlass 18     
My 21ft.Conquest has a super comfortable weather proof cuddy cabin.The vinyl cushions on the bunks are very good quality,shelf above the bunks around the cabin interior give you plenty of storage space.The gel coat finish on the cabin interior makes for easy clean up.The boat feels more like a 24ft.boat.With the canvas up two people can sleep in the cockpit with plenty of room to put sleeping bags.Handeling and performance are excellent.This is the first boat I have owned that has keep the 2ft.disease away from me for three years.
tully_mars posted 10-07-2003 10:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for tully_mars  Send Email to tully_mars     
Being a 23 Conquest owner, I can say that you can't go wrong with either boat.

My former 21' Outrage though not the exact hull but very similar to the 21 WA was a great boat. Dry and handled well. As for the Conquests, they are excellent too. Not the roomiest in the cabin, but they do get the job done for sun and weather protection.

With a hard top on these boats they are great.


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