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jaccoserv posted 11-07-2003 06:44 PM ET (US)   Profile for jaccoserv   Send Email to jaccoserv  
Anyone else catch the latest issue of Southern Boating with the little review of the 320 Outrage? It stated that standard power is the twin 225 Mercs. and optional power includes twin 250 Mercs. and twin 250 Yamaha EFIs.

While for the most part I agree w/ Whaler's relationship w/ Mercury, I think that this is a smart move on this particular boat. When you're getting into a boat of that caliber, most people would appreciate, if not insist on a choice. By the way, the light blue hullsides looked real slick on the 320 at the Lauderdale show. Any idea why the color stops a few feet down the hull?

Members of this site may like to know that while I noted on another post that there weren't many people at the Whaler booth, there were negative people at the Regulator booth. Regulators just don't seem all that popular down south compared to Jupiters, Intrepids, Ventures and of course, Whalers.

By the way, I saw two 320 Outrages in use while I was at the show. Both had 250 Merc. Racing power.

HAPPYJIM posted 11-07-2003 06:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for HAPPYJIM  Send Email to HAPPYJIM     
Regulators must be doing something right.

They have 3 BIG help wanted ads in the paper for....
Purchasing/materials manager
Industrial engineering technician
Human resources administrator

still not a Whaler though.

lhg posted 11-08-2003 01:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Want ads can also mean they are doing something wrong. Maybe the people holding these positions QUIT.

I wonder if that magazine article as wrong on the 250 EFI Yamahas, since a Whaler person told me Merc 250 EFI's were an option., and they don' seem to be mentioned He also told me the optional Optimax 250's were faster than the Merc 250 EFI's, which is saying something. I've heard the 320 REALLY runs fast with the new Project X engines.

lhg posted 11-08-2003 01:07 AM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
PS. Does Yamaha even make a 250 EFI any longer?

I know they make a 250 HPDI.

jimh posted 11-08-2003 07:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Contact the author of that article and ask for more information. It sounds like a mistake.

The Oracle posted 11-08-2003 07:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for The Oracle    
Prediction is that the 32' will not be around for more than four years,just long enough for the guru's at Whaler to realize they cannot after sitting on their keesters for the last ten years while the likes of Contender,Yellowfin,etc. have been dominating this marketplace. After all, Whaler is not in the SKA game nor do they offer a rig with triples in the 33-36 class to compete in all SKA classes.
lhg posted 11-08-2003 07:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
I've heard that Contender and Yellowfin are on the verge of bankruptcy filings.
The Oracle posted 11-08-2003 09:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for The Oracle    
You should tell them that, they seem to be happy with their

Next Prediction! Whaler will fare much better with the rebirth of the 11' tender. A market that they virtually owned until abandoned to Zodiak and the likes.

jimh posted 11-09-2003 12:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
For what is SKA an abbreviation or an acronym? Let me repeat that:


Barney posted 11-09-2003 08:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for Barney  Send Email to Barney     
I was wondering that myself when first reading this. I suspect it is some sort of Sportfisherman abbreviation. However, the first thing that pops up on Google is Shotokan Karate of America. Nothing pops up on SKA for boating. Jim
jimh posted 11-09-2003 08:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Poking around with GOOGLE, perhaps "SKA" means Southern Kingfish Association."

However, this still leaves me in a fog as to what is meant by "Whaler is not in the SKA game."

But all of this is a diversion from the initial question. Is the cited magazine article correct? Can you suddenly get Yamaha engines installed on your 320 OUTRAGE? That still remains unanswered.

lhg posted 11-09-2003 03:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Jim - Checking Boston Whaler's website, the 320 Outrage is offered with the following Mercury engines:

twin 30" 225 Optimax
twin 30" 250 EFI
twin 25" 250XS Optimax (from Mercury Performance Division)

So the "Southern Boating" writer evidently is wrong on two counts:

The 250 EFI's are Mercurys. Seems like a hard mistake to make.

He should have checked, and he would have seen Yamaha hasn't offered a Saltwater 30" shaft 250 EFI (OX66) since 2002. So you couldn't get a 2004 Whaler with these even as an aftermarket trade at a Dealership. Currently their only 3.1 liter EFI's are made for the bass market, and only in 20" V-Max configuration, non-CR.

Someone at BW told me the 250 Optimax is the engine of choice for this boat, since they give great fuel mileage and hot performance. Note they must be running at an elevated transom height with the 25" shaft. Supposedly, no other 250 on the market will run with them, including those old OMC 4.0 liter V-8's. This boat is sure to get the 250 Project X 4-strokes when available.

As for catching King Mackeral, my experience is that a 25 Outrage is as good as it gets. In one 30 minute fishing session, offshore the Abacos, I caught three 30 pounders, all on downriggers. Isn't the SKA the same as Bass fishing?
Race out, try to catch fish, race in. All these off brand SKA boats, with other engine affiliations, are really going to get the shock of their life when the Mercury Project X powered boats fly by them.

The Oracle posted 11-09-2003 04:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for The Oracle    
Of course the operative word here ...." when the Mercury Project X powered boats fly by them." is WHEN?

Even this is beyond the ken of the Oracle as there can be no fortelling of such matters, whether by crystal ball or bowling ball [pun intended].

jaccoserv posted 11-09-2003 08:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for jaccoserv  Send Email to jaccoserv     
The magazine is at my office, I'm going to find out the author's name and so fourth tomorrow...

I don't understand how you can be so confident in a product such as Project X when you've never seen one or run one.

"Supposedly, no other 250 on the market will run with them, including those old OMC 4.0 liter V-8's."

Says who? Please don't tell me someone from Mercury... When I see a comparo by a well respected third party and talk to some people who have real world experience with them, I'll start to buy into what you're saying. Same goes for the E-TEC. I'm the last guy who's going to knock Mercury, all I've had is good experience with them. But honestly... Has Merc. really tested the Project X against 20+ year old OMC V-8s? For Mercury's sake I hope they're comparing aginst a more modern beast.

I'm pretty sure those V-8s aren't on the market anymore either. ;)

lhg posted 11-09-2003 11:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
jacco - I think you misread my post regarding the old OMC V-8's. I was really referring to a recent post here where Steve Leone said they were faster than any current DFI, which I doubt, at least in stock version. Back in 1993, Mercury did run their 225 EFI against them and advertized the 225 was faster by 5MPH top end. And someone at BW told me the 250 Optimax was a very fast engine, faster than the 250 EFI. Mercury advertises it as the worlds fastest low emmissions outboard. So my conclusion came about that way.
Reference to the OMC V-8 had nothing to do with the Project X.

Regarding the Project X engine, there have been references here to some sneak preview articles about them, including one about a leaving a Yamaha V-Max bass engine standing still. JimH provided a link to a photo of a BW Outrage 27 running a pair. The boat looked mostly out of the water. Buy the time the Miami show comes around, there should be more information available to the public. It would seem inconceivable to me that the new engine design would not be as fast as the 250 Optimax.

All of the big, heavy Japanese 4-strokes are being reported as not very exciting performance wise. You don't see them in the bass market, offshore racing, go-fasts, etc. I think Mercury is planning to do something about that, and continue dominating those markets. At least that is what they are saying. Time will tell.

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