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sarnuk posted 11-14-2003 05:28 PM ET (US)   Profile for sarnuk  
boy. watching how nice and honest y'all have been in dealing with george and his new montauk...i'd like to try you on my issue. i bought a ventura 160 this summer (first boat), paid $21,600 in NJ, and want to trade up to the 19 nantucket. the 19 nantucket is being quoted to me by the same dealer at about $31,600. (bimini top, mercury 115 4 stroke. bow cushions and 54q cooler with cushion and backrest)...and he'll give me $18,800. a difference of $12,800. i am about to bite; he tells me this is the price he will sell the nantucket for at the NY Boat Show. any advice? how much negotiating should i do with the dealer? what do you think his cost basis is? i too will meaningfully contribute as i get more wet.... sal
kingfish posted 11-14-2003 06:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Nice move on starting a new thread for your question sal, and welcome to the site.

Lots of great Whaler enthusiasts here, with collectively the greatest store of Whaler knowledge on the planet. I hope you get all the information you need and look forward to hearing from you as you get settled in.

Jarhead posted 11-14-2003 06:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jarhead  Send Email to Jarhead     
I think you'd get more for your Venrura if you can hold off until spring and sell it outright.

However I know waiting is easier to advise than to do. ;)

I believe? $31,600 is a good price for a Nantucket but not sure about the 115HP. It's the mininum horse power rating for that hull. I think I'd check with a few owners of the Nantucket with that engine before committing.

Good luck with your move up.

My .02...

Jarhead posted 11-14-2003 06:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jarhead  Send Email to Jarhead     
Boy is my face red!!

I confused the numbers. Thought the $18,800 was the difference...

Still not sure about the 115HP 4 stroke. I have that engine on my 160 Dauntless and the Natucket is 550lbs heavier. I know I wouldn't want less horse power on my Dauntless.

Again, just my .02...

sarnuk posted 11-14-2003 06:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for sarnuk    
jarhead....i keep reversing my own position on the 115hp. if they made a 135hp 4 stroke id jump on it. but the only 4 stroke they offer is the 115. i would rather have more hp for the heavy hull of the nantucket...considering on average i'll be cruising and fishing with a total of 2 adults and perhaps 4 kids 11 and under... i have been married to the idea of getting a 4stroke engine though. man. i want to be convinced that the 115hp 4stroke will do me fine for cruising barnegat bay with some load. im not a heavy duty fisherman and we are not skiiers.

ur a good man for the quick response. i understand from my post-reading that you are/was a marine. god bless america bud.

Jarhead posted 11-15-2003 12:02 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jarhead  Send Email to Jarhead     
I believe Mercury is going to offer mid-range horse power 4 strokes soon. Next year perhaps??

If that's the case I'll be looking hard at the Nantucket... Ah heck, who any I kidding. Put a 135 or 150HP 4 stroke on it and it's coming home for sure. :)

sarnuk posted 11-16-2003 06:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for sarnuk    
any other advice:

1) 1154stroke vs 135 opti

2) negotiating with the dealer ( i dont have a great feel about this dealer)

Jimm posted 11-16-2003 10:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jimm    
Which dealer is it? McCarthys or Pelican?
sarnuk posted 11-16-2003 12:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for sarnuk    
Jimm. i bought my ventura this summer, and am pricing out the nantucket, at pelican (lanoka harbor) which has been bought this year past by Ocen Beach Marina. The salesperson whom i was dealing with, Jeff, has gone the way of the 5c stamp, as per OBM.

Do you have feeback?
id love to hear.

tabasco posted 11-16-2003 06:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for tabasco  Send Email to tabasco     
Try Birbire Marine in Branford, Ct. Great deals,,,,,great people
sarnuk posted 11-16-2003 06:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for sarnuk    

TightPenny posted 11-26-2003 11:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for TightPenny  Send Email to TightPenny     
Ocean Beach Marina has owned Pelican Harbor for years.

Pelican Harbor (and marina) originally was located on Pelican Island, hence the name.

I guess with the retirement of Woody and Judy, they are empahsizing the Ocean Beach name more, although the Pelican Harbor sign was still up last fall at the Lanoka Harbor location.

AQUANUT posted 12-01-2003 12:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for AQUANUT  Send Email to AQUANUT     
I have a 2004 115 EFI 4[s].....on a 2004 montauk 170

in the past few months have installed and ran new 90 hp
optimax and the 115 hp optimax. It is my observation that
the 2[s] optis are serious competition with the fourstrokes.

115 opti was as quiet as my fourstroke....maybe quieter..
unlike the 135opti...dont seem to hear the compressor noise
in the 90/115s....

also 90/115 opti has a real charging system..simular to automotive....way more amperes.

90/115 opti nearly smokeless....also holds 5 quarts of 2 cycle oil under the cowl.

down side is..they weigh almost as much as the fourstrokes..

so there ya go....weight verses horsepower..

115 hp is 115 hp 2 or 4 ever 135 opti
would be my choice...had my montauk since july..thinking
seriously about the nantucket...still deciding...outrage
is my goal...and i'll buy rig and sell as many b/w's til I get there..and have fun doing it.

CdnWhalerGuy posted 12-02-2003 09:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for CdnWhalerGuy  Send Email to CdnWhalerGuy     
I was given the following (written) quote for a 190 Nantucket in October:

19' Nantucket (115, 2-stroke, trailer), $27564.00;
Freight Charges (to NY State), $1144.00;
Dealer Prep, $750.00;
Bow Cushion, $450.00;
Cooler Seat, $500.00;
Bimini, $1013.00;
Merc 135, Opti, $5604.00.

Total, $37098.00.

Without any haggling/debate, the dealer was going discount the $37,000 by about 7% (no trade/cash deal).

As it would happen ... during my deliberations, I found a 1999 Grady White, Sportsman 180 in triple mint condition, equipped with canvas (bimini, dodger, windscreen), a trailer, VHF, sounder, etc., and a 150 Hp Evinrude.

It was priced almost $20,000 less than the new Whaler, and after test driving the Grady I decided to take it. In my opinion, this is a well built boat and rides (and feels) much larger than its 17'10" LOA.

Guess I will be able to re-invest some of those savings into my 1981, 15' Sport ... perhaps one of those new Evinrude E-TEC motors .....

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