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ChicagoBud posted 12-10-2003 08:36 PM ET (US)   Profile for ChicagoBud  
I'm looking at a 1998 17 Outrage. Are there any reviews of this boat online that anyone is aware of? Was this boat only available for a couple of years? I believe that 1998 was the first if not one of the first under new ownership for BW. Should that be of any concern? Thanks.

-- Bud

whalersman posted 12-10-2003 11:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalersman  Send Email to whalersman     
Bud,

Welcome to continuouswave..

There are quite a few people on this forum that own the particular boat you are looking at.

It was made for 4 years.. 1996, 1997, 1998, and 1999.
This model is better known as the 17' Outrage II as there was a different version made between 1990 and 1995.

You can start out by looking at this reference table on this site:
http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/specifications.html
You can see that the table has not yet been completed for some of the later years.
If you do a search on this site, you should come up with lots of different posts about this model. I owned the 1997 model until I sold it last year. I thought it was a very nice Whaler.

Good Luck in your decision

ChicagoBud posted 12-11-2003 09:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for ChicagoBud    
whalersman, Thanks for the reply. I had looked at the table you mentioned but it looks like the info for the 17 Outrage II is blank (or am I missing something?). I've also tried to search this site using the search feature with "17 Outrage II" and I get back 5000+ entries that include everything outrage related. I'm really having troubles finding info on this boat. Was this a popular model? Was it replaced by the Dauntless models? The other boat I'm interested in is a 16 Dauntless. Thanks.

-- Bud

whalersman posted 12-11-2003 10:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for whalersman  Send Email to whalersman     
Bud,

A friend of mine had his mind setup to buy a Dauntless 16 {b}until{/b} he saw the 17 Outrage II. He is very happy he bought the Outrage instead of the Dauntless 16. Nothing wrong with the Dauntless but the Outrage has a little more room and a few more fishing features.

Of course the Outrage 17 may not be for everyone. It is a great fishing boat with a large in deck fishwell. Depending on the engine size, it also makes a good water skiing boat.

I liked the one I owned also. As compared to the new Montauk 170, I would rather spend my money on a used 17 Outrage II.. A lot more boat for the money in my estimation. You can pick up a 17 Outrage II up for around $15,000.00 (give or take a few) in almost perfect condition as compared to around $22,000.00 (and up) for a new Montauk 170.

The 17 Outrage II hull is still be manufactured by Boston Whaler in their commercial series boats. It is called the Justice.

Hopefully more people will jump in here and give you their experience.

ChicagoBud posted 12-11-2003 11:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for ChicagoBud    
Thanks whalersman, How does it ride in the slop. I'm planning for use in Lake Michigan which can get pretty nasty. 2-3' short chop is pretty common and of course it can get worse. Of course there are some nice days when it is like a mill pond too! I plan on using it for a combo of cruising, skiing, fishing -- as they say, all boats are a compromise. Low maintenance, high resale and bulletproof construction are leading me to the Whaler line.

-- Bud

RJM posted 12-11-2003 12:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for RJM  Send Email to RJM     
I have an 1996 Outrage II and will highly recommend it, but only with the largest engine you can put on it (150hp). (It needs the power to push the extra weight). I look at it as a poor mans big whaler. It doesn't jump out of the water like a Montauk with a big engine; but it gets on plane pretty quickly. I like the fit and finish as much as any of the older models and I think the Accutrak hull and built in fuel tank is worth the extra pounds (this extra weight seems to be amid ship). The boat stays pretty dry considering it just a 17 foot skiff. I store mine next to a 17-foot Montauk and its huge in comparison, (I not sure it will even fit through the door of a normal garage) I am not sure how many whaler built, so finding one setup right maybe a problem. Good Luck.
Jerry Townsend posted 12-11-2003 04:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jerry Townsend  Send Email to Jerry Townsend     
Bud - I have a '96 17 Outrage with a 115 Johnson OceanRunner - and it is a very fine compromise for me - fishing, just fooling around taking pictures of the eagles and osprey and pulling the kids on tubes. That is, it gets right up on plane with 3 - 4 good sized adults and will idle at about 1.9 mph when fishing. Now, I am up in the air about 5000 feet - which affects your decision too. If you are planning on pulling a skier, you might want more power - but for me - the 115 is perfect.

The 17 Outrage II is a good small/large water compromise - it takes the guaranteed afternoon storms and snotty water conditions in stride. Yes, it takes a bit more power because of the increased weight - but that also means better stability and a better ride. ---- Jerry/Idaho

ChicagoBud posted 12-11-2003 05:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for ChicagoBud    
Thanks for the info guys. One last thing. Anyone know the aproximate tow weight with a 135 Optimax Merc? I'm guessing just under 3000 lbs. Thanks. -- Bud
RJM posted 12-11-2003 05:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for RJM  Send Email to RJM     
I think the 3000 pounds is about right with fuel and gear.
half shell posted 12-11-2003 07:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for half shell  Send Email to half shell     
I currently own a 1998 17 outrage w/ 150 Evinrude and the boat is a rocket!115 to 135 would be great all around.
The 17 outrage is a big step up from my former boat the montauk,however I miss the montauk.
Regards Bob
fjjpal posted 12-14-2003 05:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for fjjpal  Send Email to fjjpal     
Bud,
I have a 1997 it is a great I use it on a lake for fishing, tubing and sking. I have 115 johnson- plenty of power. Here are some stats I hope help you-
LOA- 17'6" Beam 7' Draft 12" Dry weight 1700lbs
MaxWtCap 1820 Swamp 2600lbs Persons 7 MaxHP 150
MinHP 90 Shaft 25" Fuel Cap 56 galons. Good Luck
Frank
ChicagoBud posted 12-15-2003 01:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for ChicagoBud    
Thanks everyone. Looking at the boat next week.
Bob Zollo posted 12-21-2003 10:02 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bob Zollo  Send Email to Bob Zollo     
I allso have a outrage II 1998 I have a probelm trying to lower the leaning post livewell so I can have a place to sit . Have anyone seen one that was mordafed to have a seat and livewell ? Thanks BZ
Royce posted 12-21-2003 02:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for Royce  Send Email to Royce     
Bud- I have owned 3 Outrage 17's--1996,1998.1999. I am now more partial to the classic Whalers-- but I must say that the Outrage 17 with the Accutrack hull is not only the" biggest" 17' Whaler but in my opinion the most asthetically pleasing of the modern hulls. I ran mine in S.F Bay as well as in the Pacific on fairly snotty days and I always felt safe. You may have to pay closer to 20 K for a clean 17' with low hr. power. It was Whalersman who cost me alot of money when I drove to his beautiful remote N.Calif. ranch to buy his Outrage 17. After I bought his boat he showed me his "new " Outrage 18 classic as well as his meticulous Montauk. My wife loved the classics so I bowed to her wishes and now own a 1986 Montauk,a 1988 Outrage 18 and a 1985 Outrage Cuddy 25. I am still trying to get even with Whalersman(Joe) so last week I stopped by his home to show him our new '04 Ford 350 Diesel with a Bigfoot camper. We might soon have matching trucks and boats. Buy the Outrage 17- it is a great boat and when you go to sell it it will move fast if it is in good condition. Good luck!
Royce
HatterasJack posted 12-30-2003 02:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for HatterasJack  Send Email to HatterasJack     
Royce,

You've got some extended experience with these OR's, how about a 2000 18' with Yamaha 150 power?

Dan posted 01-01-2004 05:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dan  Send Email to Dan     
I own a 99 Outrage 17. It's a great boat. I have the 115 Merc. At idle or low rpm it can vibrate a lot. I don't care for the performance of the boat if I have more than one adult passenger on board. I would want a bigger boat if I was going to be in 2-3 foot chop -- definitely.
RJM posted 01-01-2004 06:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for RJM  Send Email to RJM     
Dan, Have you decarbonized your Mercury? My Mercury 2 stoke carbureted 150 hp did a lot of vibrating, but after I used a bottle of Techron, I was able to notice an improvement. Also, You might try Seafoam Deep Creep in the combustion chambers and carburetors (if itís not fuel injected). I understand what you are saying about two people being perfect and three's a crowd. Good Luck!
folivier posted 01-02-2004 09:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for folivier  Send Email to folivier     
I have a 96 Outrage 17II, with the leaning post/livewell. I took off the cushion and mounted a bass type seat on top using a mount so that it could be removed. I place a 50 qt. ice chest on the floor and can almost rest my feet on it. I need a cushion or something to raise the chest about 2 inches. If I want to stand, I just stand on the other side.
HatterasJack posted 01-02-2004 11:02 AM ET (US)     Profile for HatterasJack  Send Email to HatterasJack     
so, your take would be that a Yami 150 powered 18 footer would be similar? That it's ideally a 2 person boat since they're so heavy to begin with?
RJM posted 01-02-2004 11:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for RJM  Send Email to RJM     
HatterasJack, I do not think the boat is too heavy, I just think that for going off shore or going fishing three people on a 17 or 18 foot skiff gets to be crowded. I have had up to four people for just cruising in the bay and that was fine. More people, equal more gear, which in turn means that every time you want to set something down you have to end up moving something else. I think an 18 foot Outrage would be a wonderful boat with that power.

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