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ds posted 12-16-2003 11:13 PM ET (US)   Profile for ds   Send Email to ds  
Does anyone have any opinions or specs on this boat? I was looking for a classic15 or montauk and found an ad for one, but can't find any info...thanks for your help!
BOB KEMMLER JR posted 12-17-2003 08:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for BOB KEMMLER JR    
this model seems to be a fairly decent rig,but also very expensive for a 15ft boat.I have seen quite a few 95's in the 10,500-12,500 range,seems like way too much to me.it has no built in tank,and would be ok for 2 people.I have heard that most of the dauntless series hulls are prone to porpoising,but with the installation of a doel fin or other similar device,seems to be easily rectified.i have a 15 rage and the 15 rage is very similar in hull design.mine seems to take a 2 ft chop fairly well.the dauntless should be a tad better due to continuation of the vee on the bottom of the hull.hope this sheds a little light on it for you,if you want more info,check out whaler.com and look at the 15 alert on the commercial page,i believe it's the same boat.
ds posted 12-17-2003 09:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for ds  Send Email to ds     
Thanks for your help..this one is$8500 in Jacksonville, less expensive than others in the North. I'm off to check out some Montauks as well...it'll come down to price & condition. I've owned a Montauk and loved it but for the pounding in 2' windchop -- the boat loved 8' seas, just hated short chop....I thought the different hull design of the Dauntless might be a change. Thanks again.
Fountain00 posted 12-17-2003 01:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for Fountain00  Send Email to Fountain00     
I bought a '96 15 Dauntless this summer. It has a 60 2 stroke merc with trailer and I believe every available option. I paid 9k. It's great for the canals and Finger Lakes of Central New York which are not rough water conditions. It's not great for rougher water like the St Lawrence but it is only 15'1" and 850 lbs. Two cons are porpoising and the scuppers. Mine came with a Stingray fin on the cav plate which I never had on a boat before. It had a slight porpoising problem but I removed it because at virtually all speed/trim combinations water sprayed back into the boat. After removal the boat now has a very bad porpoising problem. I will raise the motor and if necessary put stinray fin back on for spring. As for scuppers they leak. At 190 lbs if I walk from the back to the front water will follow me and pool in the front and vice versa. Rabud scuppers will supposedly help but that's also a spring fix. I originally wanted a Montauk and I may go in that direction in a year or two. I have been in 15 classics several times in rough water and I belive the dauntless is a little better.
JohnJ80 posted 12-17-2003 02:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for JohnJ80  Send Email to JohnJ80     
I bought a Dauntless 15 2 seasons ago. We just love that boat. We paid $10K for one in great condition.

My boat had a porposing problem that disappeared when I put a Stingray fin on it. I have since repowered to a 75HP Evinrude FICHT motor.

When I did this, I got obsessive about setting the boat up. The FICHT is somewhat heavier than my previous 70HP 2S Johnson. But by adding a fin and mostly by properly mounting the motor on the boat, we got it set up very nicely. It now is much better than it ever was. For fins, I recommend the Grand Island Turbo Lift. It is the best out there, it doesn't require drilling the AV plate and it just plain looks cool.

I suspect that the reason Fountain00's fin caused a lot of spray was that the motor was mounted way too far down. Most dealers, whaler included, mount their motors way to far down on the transom. My experince is that they should be almost in or at the top (highest) mounting position. When on a plane, the fin should be planing at the surface of the water, not below it.

We boat and live on a big open river that has a lot of serious boat wake chop. I have also had that boat out in everything from dead calm to 50knot blows with 4'+ storm waves. The boat handles it all very well and I have never felt in danger or even insecure. Very, very seaworthy little boat

What really made it handle the chop very nicely was the addition of trim tabs. This permitted us to get the nose down to cut the waves with the fine entry of the hull instead of taking it on the flat portion aft. This make the boat handle much more like a 20' boat instead of a 15' one. We don't see too many other 15' boats out on this river but we never have a problem.

We have been through some pretty serious stuff with that boat and it is amazing how dry it keeps us. We find it to be an execptionally dry and seaworthy craft. Very predictable in handling. We've had her airborne on more than one occasion and had some rough landings. She is a pretty durable little sweetie.

I have a whole thread here on the journey I went through on setting my rig up after repowering. I learned a ton, but basically in a nutshell, the motor will probably need to be raised so that the AV plate is 1-2" ABOVE the bottom of the hull, and you should investigate a fin. see
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/000664.html . You might want to look at trim tabs if you start obsessing about performance as I did.

Some other things we have done to ours are:
1. Added a Pate fuel tank. Great addition.
2. Added trim tabs.
3. Added trolling motor set up complete with charger (off of engine) and circuit breakers.
4. Repowered - we hFICHT DFI (more power, quieter, 30-40% better fuel consumption).
5. Added stiletto stainless steel performance prop.
6. Added Minnkota 55AP autopilot 55lb thrust 12V 48" shaft trolling motor (great trolling motor!).

Performance with the above additions is 41-42mph at WOT in calm. We pull skiers slalom and otherwise. Great fishing boat since ours has a platform seat in the back plus the normal platform by the bow.

For your reference, I am a blue water offshore racing sailor. So I have been in some pretty bad spots weatherwise with boats.

Bottom line: I would strongly recommend this boat if you want a seaworthy craft in this size. I think it is one of the best out there. If she is in good shape for $8500, I'd jump on it. That is a good price. This boat seems to really hold its value.

Barryc posted 12-17-2003 04:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barryc  Send Email to Barryc     
I bought a 1997 Dauntless w/ a Johnson 50 ( 3 cyl- same block as the 70) last spring for $12,500. The boat was in like new condition and the engine had only 30 hours- it was only used one season. I have never had any of the problems other members have mentioned- porpising or water from the scuppers. The back motor well is a pet peeve but not a big deal- just remove the cover and manually drain.

The boat planes almost instantly and is OK for 2 adults and 4 kids cruising or 2 adults fishing. Cruise at 22 MPH @3900RPM(around 5 GPH)@- top is 32-35MPH, fast enuf for me.

I boat mostly around Boston Harbor and the conditions can get pretty nasty- add weekend traffic and it's wild. The Dauntless handles so well that I have never felt I was in a dangerous situation- I have never even gotten wet on this boat!

I think if the boat is properly set up you will love it. (I got lucky and did'nt have to change a thing)

Another thing- In my area you can often buy a good whaler- use it for a couple years- the polish it up and sell them for closr to what you paid.

good luck

bc

Barryc posted 12-20-2003 05:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barryc  Send Email to Barryc     
Correction:
Said 5 GPH should be 5 MPG.

bc

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