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Perry Flugge posted 12-18-2003 04:10 PM ET (US)   Profile for Perry Flugge   Send Email to Perry Flugge  
I am looking at 2004 15 Sport. Because the driving position will always be sitting, is boat a back breaker in a chop?

I am 6' 4" and it doen't feel like I can drive and hold the wheel.

The boat Looks like good simple boat fun boat otherwise. I boat north of Clearwater Fla. and on St. Joseph Sound it can get a little choppy.

If any experiance with the ride of this boat sitting I would appreciate it.

Tallman

Jarhead posted 12-18-2003 06:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jarhead  Send Email to Jarhead     
Perry...
You'll probably hear varying opinions but a sea trial is really the only way to answer these and other questions you might have about this boat.

I think you might be happier with something bigger but that's just my 2....

Moe posted 12-18-2003 09:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
The ride was an important consideration for us, since my wife has a ruptured L5S1 disk. 150 owners here reported good results in rough water, so we purchased based on that. We weren't disappointed.

All our use so far has been on Lake Erie, most days in 2-4 foot chop, a couple 1-3' and a couple in 3-5'. 1-3' is generally like it isn't even there, while 3-5' requires slowing down and some tacking to take the waves at an angle rather than head-on. In 2-4', we can generally run at fairly high rpm, 4200-4800 rpm, but the boat gets motor-screaming airborne taking the larger waves head-on.

How it lands depends on the speed and wave spacing. In most cases, with the bow or middle of the bottom contacting the following wave, it's anywhere from insignficant to firm. But if the boat is bow-high and it lands with the aft bottom roughly parallel with the wave face, it smacks hard... hard enough to hurt my wife and get my attention.

In steadily high waves, such as 3-5, where 4' waves are common, the obvious solution is to slow down and take the waves at an angle. But for the occasional 4' in generally smaller waves, we just do what we do on the motorcycles for dips, railroad crossings, etc, and stand up slightly so our legs act as shock absorbers. If the oncoming wave is above our heads, we assume we're going to launch off it, and just pull ourselves up off the seat in case we land hard. Frankly, replacing the 2" cushions with good 4" foam ones would even eliminate that.

The bottomline is that we find the 150 acceptable for the most common Lake Erie chop even with back problems a factor.

One thing that your height will create a problem with is seeing the tach. I'm 5'10" but with only a 28" inseam, most of my height is in my upper body. In normal posture, the small diameter steering wheel obscures the 2,000-4,000 rpm range on the tach. I plan on eventually replacing it.

Hope this helps,
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Moe

tombro posted 12-19-2003 09:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for tombro  Send Email to tombro     
I can pretty much echo what Moe said. I found the 150 Sport to be a perfect fit for us right now, and find it the biggest fifteen footer going. Handles most what the New Jersey bays and open ocean throws at it comfortably. Of course, I pick and chose when I go out, and think Moe gets more rough water with his, on the Great Lakes, due to the prevailing westerlies, which works out to the advantage for us on the Eastern Seaboard. We are 'tucked up under the lee' here, for the most part. Running in a tight chop (the "Two-O'clock Chop", as we call it here) is fun, and comfortable, as it is usually no more than about 2 foot where I find myself with Bayluga. A boat that fits in my garage and can get me to ocean running fish was what I wanted, and that's exactly what the 150 gave me.
Alan de la Houssaye posted 12-19-2003 01:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for Alan de la Houssaye  Send Email to Alan de la Houssaye     
Perry, I too am 6'4" and own a BW 15 SS. Although I enjoy my boat, I suggest you consider purchasing a little larger BW.


Alan

Moe posted 12-19-2003 04:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
I agree. The classic 15 Super Sport would've been too small for us as well. The 150 Sport is more than a little larger, 2" longer but a whopping 10" wider, meaning not only more roomy, but more laterally stable, with higher freeboard and yet shallower draft, and with somewhere around 1100-1200 pounds more swamped capacity. In deck area, it's roughly, the same as the classic 17 Montauk.

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Moe

jaccoserv posted 12-19-2003 05:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for jaccoserv  Send Email to jaccoserv     
I think something being avoided here is the fact that you need to be in a seated position in the 150 Sport. No matter the boat, nor manufacturer, it is always better to have your legs abosorb the waves than your back.

I believe that Alan wa referring to something larger than 15'. Even with the same deck space, you need to realize that while running the boat, all of the nice open area behind the helm seats is pretty much useless, the same area (rear third) on the Montauks, old and new, is probably the best place to stand in a chop to minimize the impact.

Any thoughts?

Moe posted 12-19-2003 06:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Having spent many years riding off-road, I agree with standing with the knees flexed and using legs as shocks is better than sitting. For medical reasons, that doesn't work for my wife and me. For other reasons, we didn't want to spend the additional money on less well suited (for us) 170, especially considering the similarity in deck space.

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I don't think anyone avoided the issue, in fact sitting is the crux of Perry's question... whether the 150's ride sitting was acceptable when "a little choppy." It was directed to those who have experience with the 150, and two responded. Two who use their 150s in the Gulf don't post here much.

Jarhead also gave good advice that he make his own determination of acceptability with a sea trial.

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Moe

jimh posted 12-25-2003 10:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
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fno posted 12-27-2003 10:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for fno  Send Email to fno     
I think you will find that boating in the gulf will be a bit different than what's reported from the Great Lakes or NJ. I've had my Dauntless 16 out in all three places.I live in Florida. Even with a 16' a "less than 2 foot seas" day can be questionable in my boat. The problem is that in the Gulf, the period of the swells is longer than both the Great Lakes and NJ areas. Iv'e been more comfortable out in 2'-4' foot seas off Geargian Bay than out in theGulf in 1'-2's. Get a bigger boat.
Techmage posted 12-29-2003 10:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for Techmage  Send Email to Techmage     
I take my 15 Sport out in the gulf all the time. My girl friend has a bad back as well. personally I find jumping wakes worse at speed than 2-3 foot swell. Its best to run the boat so it does not land in the rear quadrant where the bottom is completely flat. Im 6'1' and CAN stand if I want to, but usually drive seated. the worst thing about the seating arangement on this boat is the seat back, its not very comfortable without serious cushions.
Swellmonster posted 12-30-2003 11:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for Swellmonster  Send Email to Swellmonster     
I have a friend who just bought the same 2004 15 boat, and we live in Tampa. If ya really gots to know, I can more than likely hook you up for a sea-trial!!!

What a forum!!!

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