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OzWhaler posted 12-20-2003 01:48 AM ET (US)   Profile for OzWhaler   Send Email to OzWhaler  
I live on the west coast of Australia and would like to 'acquire' a new BW 170 Montauk. The prices in Oz are very high compared with prices quoted in this forum even allowing for USD:AUD exchange, import duty, and transport, etc...
Ideally I would like to look at the option of importing a new 170MT - hull and Mercury 90HP 4-stroke only. I would use local road trailers which can be customised for local conditions. It would seem that the 170MT would fit perfectly into a standard 20ft container and could be economically shipped anywhere...
Has anyone done this before ? Is there any dealer out there who could co-ordinate the US side of the deal ? What sort of USD price for a new BW 170MT without trailer should I expect ? Anyone got any tips????
spotsnspecks posted 12-20-2003 05:58 AM ET (US)     Profile for spotsnspecks  Send Email to spotsnspecks     
I would suggest reading:

[urlhttp://continuouswave.com/whaler/cetacea/cetaceaPage75.html[/url]

and contact the author. Good luck!

spotsnspecks posted 12-20-2003 05:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for spotsnspecks  Send Email to spotsnspecks     
http://continuouswave.com/whaler/cetacea/cetaceaPage75.html
OzWhaler posted 12-20-2003 08:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for OzWhaler  Send Email to OzWhaler     
Thanks Spots' !
Your references were excellent - what a great story and pictures ! I used to live in Townsville and Cairns in Queensland and what a paradise - especially if you owned a Whaler.
The beauty of the 170MT is that it should be able to go on a very simple padded cradle into a 20 foot container - it may be worth importing only the hull in the container and buying the trailer (must have local reg compliant trailer) and the o/b in Oz... ? A good thing is that, done properly there should be no need at all to strip off rails, windshield, etc. I am concerned also about warrantees, etc on the motor if imported into Oz and it may be cheaper to set it up here.
Is it possible to buy only a BW 170MT hull in the US?
Does anyone know who could handle the US side for me ?

Once it is in the container and checked I can handle the complete forwarding, transport, insurance, etc to Oz...

cjd posted 12-20-2003 09:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for cjd  Send Email to cjd     
I wonder, assuming you package the boat AND motor, if it might be worth shipping from canada. I hear tell outboards are cheaper in canada.

would love to hear what you end up doing

Moe posted 12-20-2003 09:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
If you've read back through the past couple of years posts here about the 170, you'd see that the only way to buy a 170 is in a package deal with the motor and trailer.

The '04 models come with a folding tongue trailer, which I would think should still fit in a 20' container with the motor trimmed down. You'd definitely want the tongue fairly low and tied down well to keep the motor skeg from hitting the floor.

I may be wrong, but I think someone posted here the overall length of a 170 with the tongue folded. Maybe someone else could help you with this.

Someone else was discussing that the width to the outside of the fenders cleared his garage door (and I can't remember if he had to move the fenders in a little). The smallest of these doors is usually an inch or so narrower than 8' wide. Maybe you can find that post doing a little searching. You could also remove the fenders for a little more clearance.

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Moe

OzWhaler posted 12-20-2003 10:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for OzWhaler  Send Email to OzWhaler     
Thanks Moe for your advice and information ...
IF I can only buy a new 170MT complete with motor (90HP 4-stroke???)and trailer, will the boat on the BW standard trailer fit into a 20' container - it should (just) as far as width is concerned even if the trailer has to be stripped a bit. As far as length is concerned if the drawbar on the trailer is too long this could be 'surgically reduced' and rebuilt on unloading in Oz.... the trailer would have to be changed anyway ? Roll in / Roll out would really solve the problem of potential damage by cranes, forklifts, etc getting the boat in and out of the container, making up cradles, etc...
If a complete 170MT is purchased in the US for direct export, fuel tanks, oil, etc could be left empty - is there any saving on US sales tax or other delivery charges on the sale ?
Are there any reputable dealers, probably west coast would be better (?), who may be able to help with this exercise ?
Moe posted 12-20-2003 10:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
I can't help you with the sales tax issue, but there may be an exclusion if you're going to export. I'd guess that would depend upon the state.
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Moe
fno posted 12-21-2003 08:49 AM ET (US)     Profile for fno  Send Email to fno     
Knowing the Whaler people they will try to protect their Aussie dealer and not get involved in the private export tax stuff. Then when you get it down under and have a problem, your local dealer is gonna spit his VB up when you ask him to do something under warranty. Not that I don't admire your idea, it's crossed my mind on how to get a Wahler into Italy on the cheap. You will find that export-import is a lot easier with a used (slightly) vs. new vehicle. Good luck.
AQUANUT posted 12-21-2003 03:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for AQUANUT  Send Email to AQUANUT     
BEEN THERE DONE THAT,


PERSONALY BEEN INVOLVED IN PACKING UP TWO CORRECT CRAFT SKI NATIQUES WITH SKI TOWERS...HEADED FOR AUSSSIE LAND..ULTIMATELY THEY WERE HEADED TO JAPAN....AND PURCHASED
BY TOYOTA...FIRST PURCHASE WAS SECRETIVE..BY THE TIME FOR THE SECOND THEY DIDN'T CARE WHO KNEW...THEY WERE TO BE DIS-ASSEMBLED...TO SEE WHAT MADE THEM WORK AND IF THEY COULD BE DUPLICATED...TOYOTA MADE 12 THEN STOPPED PRODUCTION...
ANY WAY THEY BOUGHT THEM HERE IN OREGON...OREGON HAS NO STATE SALES TAX...AMOUNG OTHER ADVANTAGES....


TAKE CARE...GOOD LUCK

Moe posted 12-21-2003 05:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Here's the thread about the new trailer:

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001018.html

You might correspond privately via email with some of the '04 170 owners (like samwhaler) there about the overall width and length of the 170 on its folding tongue trailer.

Looks like you've found someone, AquaNut, who's familiar with crating a boat destined for Australia. What luck!

The point about the warranties was good. I just wonder how much you're going to save by going this route.
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Moe

erik selis posted 12-22-2003 03:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for erik selis  Send Email to erik selis     
Hi OzWhaler,
What would you be paying for a MT 170 with a 90 4-stroke in Australia at the moment?
Thanks,
Erik
OzWhaler posted 12-22-2003 07:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for OzWhaler  Send Email to OzWhaler     
Erik
Based on a AUD:USD rate of AUD 0.72 the price 'on the road/water' for a new 170 Montauk with 90HP 4-stroke is about equivalent to USD 35K .... that's why I am making the enquiry before I commit here in Australia. The lead time for delivery is at least four months after order and deposit.

fno - I believe your comment is probably also correct regarding BW-US/Dealers in Australia. By reading this excellent forum over a period of time, firstly, I am totally convinced that I should be getting a Whaler; secondly, the Montauk would be the best for my purposes; thirdly, all I want is a deal I can consider fair and reasonable so that as I enjoy the new boat(which is the most expensive in the market for its size) I don't have the feeling I have been screwed by the system !!

I will also need to get some additional equipment, etc and I was interested in the comments by 'Rodney' recently about retractable T-tops from the same part of the world as me - I will try to make contact with him if I decide to proceed with the Whaler purchase.

We do a lot of open sea boating as we are not as fortunate as many parts of the US with more sheltered waterways.

OzWhaler posted 12-23-2003 09:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for OzWhaler  Send Email to OzWhaler     
Moe - I am sure 'moe' means 'Master of Everything'! You have been such a great source of information for me and others on the forum about Whalers...many thanks...
The reference on the trailers was excellent and after the experience of the other 2004 170MT owners with the new trailer I am sure it would be unsuitable for our conditions and would need to be stronger. We do spend a lot off time off the 'blacktop' roads and driving on corrugated gravel roads and sand tracks to launch off beaches in remote coastal areas where trouble with a trailer failure could be a very serious problem.
The proposal to obtain a 170MT imported in a 20' copntainer seems more feasible now I have transport and Australian duty rates and based on a standard new 170MT, Mercury 90HP 4-stroke, and trailer(which I will dispose of on arrival) wheeled in, padded, and secured.. all I need is a dealer to sort out the US purchase and load - any suggestions or contacts ???
Moe posted 12-23-2003 10:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
I'm in the midwest, so I can't help you with a dealership. Perhaps AquaNut will see this and send you a private email. A west coast Oregon dealership sounds good to me.

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Moe

JOE WHALER posted 12-23-2003 03:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for JOE WHALER  Send Email to JOE WHALER     

Oz WHALER
Hi Iam new to your forum, but not new to reading it.
Over the last year this forum has been invaluable to me on my purchase of a 2003 17 montauk.Thank you all.
Oz, You may consider a used montauk, and have It shipped from the port of Los Angeles.
JOE

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