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kamie posted 01-09-2004 12:39 AM ET (US)   Profile for kamie   Send Email to kamie  
Since the Nantucket vs Outrage discussion was so helpful I though I would as another question and benefit from the collective wisdom here. What is on your won't leave the dock without it list? What tools do you carry, what did you need but not have that could have helped you out..ect..

Thanks for any wisdom you can share. :-)

--kamie

TG_190 posted 01-09-2004 07:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     
Hi Kamie,

This is a list of what I take:

Garmin 188 int antenna (gimble mounted to the right of compass), ICOM401(flushmounted w/ 3'stainless whip Ant),
Marine power pack, tool kit, Prop wrench w/ spare nut kit, first aid kit, Coast Guard Package (flares, fire ext., etc.),cell phone, hand held VHF, Hand Held GPS, spare anchor and rhode, extra 3/8" lines, waterproof headlamp and 12V spotlight, knife, boat hook/deck brush, 2 fenders, tow coverage, documentation, portable rain gear, EPIRB, duct tape, wire, hose clamps.

I hope this helps.

TG_190

TG_190 posted 01-09-2004 07:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     
Hi Kamie,

This is a list of what I take:

Garmin 188 int antenna (gimble mounted to the right of compass), ICOM401(flushmounted w/ 3'stainless whip Ant),
Marine power pack, tool kit, Prop wrench w/ spare nut kit, first aid kit, Coast Guard Package (flares, fire ext., etc.),cell phone, hand held VHF, Hand Held GPS, spare anchor and rhode, extra 3/8" lines, waterproof headlamp and 12V spotlight, knife, boat hook/deck brush, 2 fenders, tow coverage, documentation, portable rain gear, EPIRB, duct tape, wire, hose clamps.

I hope this helps.

TG_190

HAPPYJIM posted 01-09-2004 08:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for HAPPYJIM  Send Email to HAPPYJIM     
Money and liquid refreshments to ward off dehydration and more money.
Tom2697 posted 01-09-2004 11:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom2697  Send Email to Tom2697     
Kamie,
If you do a search for "safety gear" on this website you will find tons of useful info. However, my toolkit has been reduced to include 3 of those multitools in varying styles. I have the standard pliers-type. Another is based on an adjustable wrench. The third is based off of Vise-Grips. With these three tools, you'll be amazed at what you can repair.
Regarding what I needed but did not have, fuel is the number one item! Joking aside, probably over 80% of the people on this forum have at one time or another run out and had to be towed in. Many of us have done it multiple times in multiple boats. My boat has about a 350 mile range with my new motor. Obviously, I won't need a full tank for most trips but I always fill up anyway. Having a good time often leads you to forget about checking your tank. There is no worse feeling than sitting on the water and waiting for someone to show up and help you in.
prm1177 posted 01-09-2004 12:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for prm1177  Send Email to prm1177     
Sufficient PFDs
Fire extinguisher
Fishfinder/depth finder
GPS (Standard 150c)
Fire Extinguisher
At least 3 20 ft dock lines
Sufficient fenders
1 30 ft tow line
Anchor with sufficient line and rode for the area
Paddle
Leatherman or other all in one tool kit
Cell phone or VHF radio based on coverage
If going offshore, something I can use as a sea anchor

and for long trips, I always file a float plan.

Moe posted 01-09-2004 01:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
For your boat, at least 300' of 1/2" anchor rode, 20' of 1/4" chain, 10 lb anchor. We get by with less. Some carry a spare anchor.

For the depths you may be in, a sea anchor.

For your boat, at least four 25' 3/8" braided dock lines. Two more at 50' may come in handy.

Six good-sized inflated fenders (We use 5X19, you need a little larger, maybe 6X24). We used to use fewer and put them where needed, but found it more convenient to just leave 'em tied to the railings on each side all the time.

Your boat already comes with a fire extinguisher, We had to buy one. Shake it up regularly to keep the powder from caking.

We use an extending combo dock hook/paddle.

Folding radar reflector for night and fog. Without it, you're nothing to the big boats, and it makes you easier to find in a rescue.

If you might wind up out at night, one of those high-powered spotlights.

We have two Type I commercial PFD vests with whistles, signal mirrors, and strobes, for me and Barb, a 4-pack of Type II PFD vests for guests, and a throwable Type IV PFD cushion. Auto-inflatable suspenders or fanny pack are MUCH more convenient to wear if you're going to be in rough water a lot where you should always have a PFD on (and the ignition safety lanyard attached). But IMHO, inflatables are no substitute for good Type I vests when a storm's a brewin' offshore.

Obviously, plenty to drink (besides beer) and more food than you plan to use that day. Gatorade or other power drinks are more efficient at hydration. A few energy bars tucked away in a ziplock bag isn't a bad idea.

Clothing to comfortably survive the coolest temperature likely to occur in the next few days. A hat to help fight skin cancer, especially on your ears and nose, is good too, as are quality sunglasses.

Good rainsuits are priceless. We use our Harley-Davidson ones designed for fighting rain at 60 mph. If you're going out with colder water temperatures, good survival suits are called for.

Orange waterproof plastic box (marked "Emergency Flares") with 3 day/night flares and 3 orange smoke flares (more effective in daytime), each wrapped in their own ziplock bag (would be my luck to dump the whole box in a swamped situation), emergency signal flag (required in OH), flashlight with fresh alkalines, another signal mirror, non-electric horn or whistle, handheld compass, spare drain plug, 3 of each size/type fuse, spare tube of combo sunscreen/bug repellent, aspirin (to help with a heart attack as well as for headaches), 2 days of critical medicines, spare Albuterol rescue inhaler (for asthma), band-aids, antibiotic creme, tweezers and needle for removing dock splinters, two feet of surgical tubing to use as a tourniquet if necessary, spare feminine napkins for the obvious as well as to use as larger wound dressing, ACE bandage to help hold pressure on a dressing or a splint in place. We also carry the registration and proof of insurance in the emergency box.

Right now tools consist of only a Gerber Multi-plier, a crescent wrench, a spare knife, duct tape, electrical tape, and a handful of long cable zip-ties. We really need to do a little better on tools.

A spare prop, floating prop wrench, and at least two each prop nuts and washers (one to drop, one to use plus the old one as backup) is debatable. Although I'm likely to need it most, boating where there are plenty of shallow limestone boulders, We don't have one, but may add one. There are plenty of tow services where we boat, and we have plenty of towing coverage on my boat insurance (for a lot less annual cost than membership in a service). Some would say you're less likely to need a spare prop in open water, but keep in mind there's plenty of flotsam even off-shore, quite a ways from the towing service. Trying to nurse a damaged, vibrating, out-of-balance prop back to shore is hard on an engine. At any rate, practice removing and replacing the prop on the trailer, if for nothing else making sure there's plenty of grease on the prop shaft so the prop won't be frozen on when you really need to get it off.

We don't carry spare spark plugs and wrench because I've never had a four-stroke foul a plug (except a bike that was jetted too rich at cruise running two heat ranges colder than stock). I'd have them for a two-stroke though. Make sure you've practiced changing them on the trailer, and put high-temperature anti-seize compound on the plug threads when you did.

A sealed absorbed glass mat (AGM) starting/deep-cycle marine battery. Much more rugged than conventional flooded batteries, as well as less voltage drop on starting (lower internal resistance) and lower self-discharge rate between uses. Spiral-wrapped Optimas are the most widely recognized, but other brands offer them. AGM is NOT the same as gel-cells where the gel can harden and crack over time. If you chose to use a second battery as a backup, get a switch and never run with with "Both" selected. One battery with a shorted cell can run the other down if they're interconnected.

On our boat, an Icom 402S VHF radio with 4' Digital brand model 528 antenna mounted at the top of the bimini. We plan to add a handheld as a backup. The 402 has an NMEA input for receiving your position from the GPS and transmitting it digitally, especially in an emergency (essential), but doesn't have an NMEA output for sending received digital positions to the GPS. That's nice to automatically plot on the GPS digital position reports from other boats you're out with, not to mention received emergency broadcasts. The newer "A" version of the Icom 502, the 502A, does, plus it has a knob rather than up down buttons for changing channels.

If you're going far out enough that VHF communication may be questionable, I'd recommend a 406 (satellite based) EPIRB. You don't need a Category 1 (auto-release) because the Whaler isn't going to sink to the 13' depth required to release most. A Category 2 (manual activation) is fine. Without GPS, you have to wait until the satellites get a fix on you, which adds delay to your rescue. You can get EPIRBs that take a signal from your existing GPS, and you can get EPIRBs that have their own internal GPS for not much more. I doubt we'll buy an EPIRB for the 150 Sport. :-)

Digital makes a 4' antenna with booster amplifier for cell phones. Just another thought for yet another backup. In the 150 Sport, we're sometimes in range of a cell tower without it.

We were planning on a Garmin 188C GPS/Sounder but will probably now get the new 178C. You have room for two separate units (more screen area=better), and I'd flush mount a Garmin 182C, 2006C, or 2010C GPS, and a Garmin 320C or Furuno sounder. Garmin's GPS/chartplotter interface is widely recognized as the easiest to use, but some consider Furuno's sounders to be better than Garmins. If you buy the Garmin BlueChart CD, Garmin allows you to install each map you purchase in two separate units, which would suggest a Garmin handheld chartplotting GPS as a backup. We probably won't add a backup GPS.

Waterproof chart of wherever we'll be, and a Weems and Plath square course plotter, both in a ziplock bag stowed under a seat cushion. We keep the dividers in the top of the orange emergency box. The US Power Squadron piloting course is part of our "safety equipment." Going any distance out, you'd be best advised to keep a plot going on a chart.

And, as we've talked about off-list, a Porta-Potti and roll of TP in a ziplock bag, are "essential" for us. Not just for her, but it's a helluva lot easier in 2-4' chop for me to kneel in front of it on a foam workpad than to try to pee over the side and not go overboard, or pee all over the gunwale! I've read the Canadian Coast Guard has said that many of the male bodies they fish out of the lakes have the zipper down. For privacy in more crowded areas, a poncho can be donned before the drawers are dropped, or a privacy curtain can be rigged if the potty is under the bimini. We plan to do the latter.

We have two ice chests, one for drinks and perishable food, and one for fish. We use Rubbermaid containers for dry storage.

Anyway, this got a bit long and detailed 'cause I'm home from work sick and gettin' a little bored. I'm sure I'll remember more later. Hope it helps.

--
Moe

Moe posted 01-09-2004 02:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Oh yeah... a decent pair of binoculars, fogproof, preferably waterproof vs just water-resistant. Rubber armoring protects not only the binoculars, but your fiberglas as well. 7-8X magnification is all you need and hard enough to hold steady in choppy water as it is. 35-40mm objective is fine for daytime use, 7X50 better for evening/night use. We use an armored pair of 8X40 I bought for hunting years ago.

--
Moe

kamie posted 01-09-2004 02:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
wow Moe,
that is quite the list. Hope you feel better

--kamie

hooter posted 01-09-2004 02:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for hooter    
Add a 3 or 4 foot-long piece of weed-wacker string. You can roll it up into a li'l circle about 4" in diamter for storage. It can work wonders at clearin' your motor's pee-hole of ingested mud.
Tom2697 posted 01-09-2004 03:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom2697  Send Email to Tom2697     
Moe,
With all that gear aboard, how do you and your wife fit?
Moe posted 01-09-2004 03:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
LOL! There's plenty of room (as well as weight capacity) for all of that and more, plus four hefty adults, on the beamy 150 Sport.

http://www.engr.udayton.edu/staff/lriggins/Whaler/150-Layout2.jpg

--
Moe

TG_190 posted 01-09-2004 03:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     
Spare Fuses - Check to see what fuses are used in your panel and under the engine cowling. I believe 20 Amp fuses are right.

Bucket - Clear - 5gal bucket with cover. Serves a variety of purposes: cleanup, baling, drift anchor, seat, bait holder, trolling rig holder, cast net holder, bait cutting on cover, garbage pale, Toilet, etc., etc. Just not all at the same time.

BTW, all of the stuff w/ the exception of my GPS and Handhelds lives on my Nantucket, and the console still has room for fishing gear, clothing and a couple of cushions. A dry bag is nice for spare clothes and towels.

When I go out, all I have to carry are rods, bait, food/drinks, small backpack, and ice. No clutter on deck - till the fishing gets hot and heavy, then its bedlam.

RonB posted 01-09-2004 03:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for RonB  Send Email to RonB     
Hey Hooter,

I never had the opportunity to cath my Opti, just how much of that string would one expect to get into their engine?

Ron

jaccoserv posted 01-09-2004 03:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for jaccoserv  Send Email to jaccoserv     
Wow Moe, I'm have visions of the Beverly Hillbillies...
bricknj posted 01-09-2004 04:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for bricknj    
Moe.... your schematics....layouts.....pictures...im tearing up. Its beautiful man. The attention to detail...the thoroughness.... Can you photograph my daughter's wedding? Can you GC the work we are doing to our house? While you are at it can you supervise the reconstruction in IRAQ?

Love your posts.

Moe posted 01-09-2004 04:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Thanks, brick!

--
Moe

kamie posted 01-09-2004 04:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
I think my new goal in life is to have my boat as organized as Moe's :-)

--kamie

cmarques posted 01-09-2004 07:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for cmarques  Send Email to cmarques     
Toilet paper and a handheld spotlight- it can get dark fast!

Chris

RJM posted 01-09-2004 07:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for RJM  Send Email to RJM     
Good tip hooter! I will give it a try.
ocuyler posted 01-09-2004 08:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for ocuyler  Send Email to ocuyler     
Don't forget the wife!
Moe posted 01-09-2004 10:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Ya know, rather than a big spotlight, I was thinkin' of night vision goggles. :-)

--
Moe

HAPPYJIM posted 01-10-2004 07:49 AM ET (US)     Profile for HAPPYJIM  Send Email to HAPPYJIM     
I carry a Surefire 9N flashlight with me..fits right in my pocket and has a very bright and a regular bulb in one unit.

I use the regular mode for inside the boat and bright for scanning the water.

Smaller than a C cell light but in the bright mode it can pick up bouys a long way off.

It is a little pricey ($150) but you can't beat the light output....about the same as a heavy spotlight.

jimh posted 01-10-2004 08:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
There have been several earlier discussion on this same topic. If you distill all the advice it comes down to this:

--roll of duct tape
--needle nose pliers
--cold beer

PMUCCIOLO posted 01-10-2004 11:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for PMUCCIOLO    
...and a MasterCard.
kamie posted 01-10-2004 06:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
Jim,

I read the earlier discussions and knew there had to be more.

lakeman posted 01-11-2004 07:49 AM ET (US)     Profile for lakeman  Send Email to lakeman     
Did I or did I not see a good Battery Charger listed. I saw a post on the Florida Sportsman forum about using a filling station to charge batteries.
devildog posted 02-28-2004 05:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for devildog  Send Email to devildog     
Moe,
You Rock!

For me:
Leatherman, First Aid Kit, Gatorade & cash

Jeff

devildog posted 02-28-2004 05:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for devildog  Send Email to devildog     
I would like to get one of those little power packs.
Jeff
devildog posted 02-28-2004 05:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for devildog  Send Email to devildog     
I would like to get one of those little power packs.
Jeff

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