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Marsh posted 01-18-2004 08:57 PM ET (US)   Profile for Marsh   Send Email to Marsh  
In spite of today's rainy weather, the wife and I launched our new 2004 Montauk for the first time. Easy to trailer, easy to launch, and easy to retreive. I give high marks to the Karavan trailer. Didn't even get my feet wet. Breaking in the 4-stroke, so we had to stay below 3500 rpms. It's gonna be a great boat, but in all candor, I really think the quality is off a bit versus the classic Montauk I used to have. Maybe I am just being old-fashioned.

The 4-stroke engine is unbelievably quiet. At idle around the boat launch, I had to look at the tach to make sure it was still running! Can't wait for better weather and more rpms! Got a Minn-Kota RT65 on the way. I'll post later in case there's interest in my install experiences.

Later,
Marsh

Barney posted 01-18-2004 09:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barney  Send Email to Barney     
Great Marsh. I would like to see pictures of the trolling motor when installed. As the 90 gets broken in, it gets easier to start. Here are some pictures of mine that will give you some ideas. http://myweb.cableone.net/barney9014/montauk.htm Have fun. Jim
Marsh posted 01-18-2004 09:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for Marsh  Send Email to Marsh     
The Merc was incredibly easy to start...damp, misty day, temp in the high 40s...boat had not been started since I picked her up at the boat yard 8 days earlier. No choke applied, one turn of the key, and it fired right up. Dealer told me I might never have to choke it. He was apparently correct. I'm gonna love the 4-stroke.

Hey Barney, do you know any of the guys at Breaths Boats in Bay St. Louis? Guy named Jim Collins was real nice to me when we bought the MT.

Later,
Marsh

erik selis posted 01-19-2004 04:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for erik selis  Send Email to erik selis     
Congrats with your new 170 Marsh. I'm sure you will love her.
What were the quality issues you were talking about compared to your classic Montauk?
Good choice on your trolling motor as well. Isn't this a 24V motor? Where do you plan to put your batteries? I would love to see some pictures when you've finished installing it.
Thanks,
Erik
Marsh posted 01-19-2004 08:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for Marsh  Send Email to Marsh     
Eric:
I will admit that quality issues are a bit abstract. Tangible differences I noted were with mounting of bow and side rails. Ironically, the 2003 BW sales flyer compares rail mountings of Whalers to "Others". My 2004 mountings look exactly like the "Others" in the 2003 comparison chart. Apparently what was deemed "substandard" in 2003 is acceptable in 2004. Also, the '04 model is a lot heavier than my classic was. Not nearly as nimble with same horsepower. No big deal. Still a great boat. I am sure that with more water time, I will develop the same degree of trust in my 2004 as I had in my classic MT.

The trolling motor is indeed a 24v. I have already bought 2 extra battery boxes (total of 3), and mounted them inside the center console. Fit easily; no problem. I will have a cable across the deck when using my troller, connecting to a plug mounted on the side of the console. Will disconnect when not in use. Will use the co-pilot/autopilot feature of the troller, so there will be no need for a foot pedal in most cases. I plan to get an oversized 3/8" or 1/2" thick plate aluminum, powder coated in white to match the deck, to use as mounting plate for the Minn-Kota quick-release mount. At least that's the plan as of now. More to come as I figure it out.

Later,
Marsh

Barney posted 01-19-2004 09:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barney  Send Email to Barney     
Marsh, We purchased our boat from Breath's and Jim Collins was the salesman. Excellent outfit I thought. Jim
BemidjiWhaler posted 01-20-2004 01:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for BemidjiWhaler  Send Email to BemidjiWhaler     
Marsh\Barney

Just thought I'd put in another good word for Jim Collins at Breath's Boats in Bay St. Louis. My wife and I picked up a 2003 MT17 in October, and Jim was the salesman. He was very helpful, and went out of his way in assisting me in selling my 1976 13' Sport.

Dave

AQUANUT posted 01-23-2004 01:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for AQUANUT  Send Email to AQUANUT     
have you noticed a bow in trailer frame rails in area of axel?
Marsh posted 01-31-2004 05:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for Marsh  Send Email to Marsh     
Aquanut:
I have not noticed any bows in my trailer frame...and have looked very carefully since I noticed your querie. And my trailer has approx. 750 miles on it already, most of those at 75+ MPH. I would think any quality issues would have surfaced by now.

Is your trailer bowed? Is it a Karavan?

Later,
Marsh

WT posted 02-02-2004 09:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
Marsh:

I just ordered a new Montauk and this is my first boat. Are you going to remove the bow rail prior to installing your trolling motor? I'm thinking of going with a 24 volt Minnkota with a 65 lb thrust and 54 inch shaft.

Marsh posted 02-03-2004 06:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for Marsh  Send Email to Marsh     
WT:
I did not remove the bow rail. I have yet to work up the nerve to drill holes in my brand new deck, so I haven't yet installed my trolling motor. But it looks to be a perfect fit: a slider mounting plate from Cobelas, and a MinnKota GripGlide motor. I bought the Riptide saltwater, 24V model, 65 lbs. of thrust, with 54 inch shaft. I will mount batteries in center console. My only concern at this point (other than drilling and tapping holes) is that shaft may be too long. Won't know for sure until I put it in the water. Too cold/too much work/no time off for that now. Better a shaft too long, than one too short.

In retrospect, another alternative would have been the 12V model, with battery mounted in anchor locker (anchor is rarely/never used, so it could be stowed elsewhere.

Good luck,
Marsh

AQUANUT posted 02-04-2004 12:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for AQUANUT  Send Email to AQUANUT     
In reply to marsh,

I work at a dearlership that sells Boston Whaler boats. I had the opportunitiy to park an 2003 170 with the EZ-Loader trailer next to my 2004 170 with a Karavan trailer. In comparison the up side for the Karavan is the swing-away-tongue. However, in looking how the axle is attached, the EZ-Loader has an additional support attached to the frame rail at the area of the axle. My boat has a 115 EFI 4-stroke (384 lbs.) hanging on the transom. When getting down at near-ground level and sighting the frame rail from the tail-light area, there is a significant positive camber (bend or arch) over the axle area. I ran a string line down the frame rail and realized it was about a 2-inch arch at the middle over the axle area. Perhaps it is built this way. I wondered if yours was the same? The EZ-Loader is straight in this area

Thanks

jimh posted 02-04-2004 08:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Boating with temperatures in the 40's--that is motivated boating.

Your new boat sounds great.

AQUANUT--Interesting observation about the two different trailers.

WT posted 02-04-2004 04:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
Acquanut:

How did you get a 115hp motor for your 170?

I haven't picked mine up yet. So if there is someway I can get a 115hp motor, I would like to know.

Thanks,
WT

WT posted 02-04-2004 04:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
Marsh:

Looks like I'm going with the Riptide unit too. My Marine Electronics installer says I may as well go with a 65 or 74 lb unit. Both 24 volt.

I'm praying it will fit without having to take off the bow rail. Some of my friends say to take off the bow rail because it gets in the way when fishing in the front of the boat.

WT

jimh posted 02-05-2004 09:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Owners with 115-HP 4-strokes on their 170 MONTAUKs
got them by taking off the original engine and re-rigging
the boat.

If you want to do this you should try to order the boat
with the 90-HP engine (either the 2-stroke or 4-stroke)
and try to arrange a pre-sale of it.

Make a deal to buy a new 115-HP engine and have it installed.
In the case of AQUANUT he is a rigger for a dealer so
obviously he had some connections and was able to make
the deal and do the rigging.

Previously TABASCO reported having to buy the 115-HP engine
and haul it to another non-dealer rigging shop to
get it installed because of concerns by the selling
dealer about liabilities with rigging a boat over the
rated horsepower.

This is explained in connection with the Cetacea Page 58
article and in two articles of follow up comments.

See:

http://continuouswave.com/whaler/cetacea/cetaceaPage58.html

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000107.html

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000152.html

If you are serious about getting a different engine
I would strongly encourage you to advertise your 90-HP
engine on the MARKETPLACE forum, noting the circumstances
and when and where it will be available. You may very
likely be able to arrange a deal in advance which will
greatly facilitate your upgrade to the 115-HP engine.

If you take delivery of the boat and run the existing
engine for a while I don't think you will be in quite
the same position to re-sell it and trade up that you
will be in prior to starting the new engine.

lhg posted 02-05-2004 09:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Further to Jim's comments, I think a change out is less risky by ordering the 2-stroke 90. These will require less of an initial investment/sales tax, will sell at a lower price, and are highly popular. Along those same lines, a 2-stroke 115 or 125 will give you the most HP/performance for your buck. I would actually get the 125, since it is same size and weight as the 115.

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