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Trade my Outrage 18 for a Scout?
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posted 01-18-2004 09:17 PM ET (US)
I just got back from the Cleveland boat show and was quite impressed by the new Scout Dorado 222. I don't think it is quite up to Whaler solidness, but it is very well laid out and seems to be reasonable well built. I tried to talk to the two Whaler dealers, but they had no interest in selling the Ventura 21 even though one of the dealers was displaying a 2003 model. (It would have been a bit more professional if they had cleaned the boat up before they brought it to the show - obviously stored outside without cover). Does anyone have any experience with Scout boats?
posted 01-18-2004 10:40 PM ET (US)
probably ought to ask this on the www.thehulltruth.com.
They have a big scout participation there
posted 01-18-2004 10:44 PM ET (US)
What's a Scout? Have not seen one.
posted 01-19-2004 06:31 AM ET (US)
On the other website referenced above you will find much information on the Scouts, as it seems that the site members own either Grady's or Scouts and nothing else sometimes!
More to the point though.... from what I have read on that site, the Scouts are a good B+ boat with nice fit and finish. They used to be priced better than they are now and are not considered "the value" that they may have been 10 years ago. More recently there has been a design problem with the boat; it tends to sit in the water stern heavy and the scuppers are below the waterline. Water comes in the boat. Easy enough fix around is what many die hard Scout fans say.
Me? Whalers baby. But I have no experience other than Whalers and 1 Pro line.
posted 01-19-2004 11:24 AM ET (US)
I'm also interested in the Scout 222 Dorado - the local Michigan dealership here just picked up the Scout line last fall along with Grady White and Pursuit (they used to carry Whalers).
What motor did they show on the boat - was it the new Yamaha F150 4 stroke? The dealer here was claiming that motor was a perfect match for the boat - but it seems underpowered since the boat is rated for 225 HP.
The strange this is that the motor performance bulletins posted on Yamaha's website states that the F150 4 stroke on the Scout 210 Sportfish (the center console version of the 222 Dorado which weighs 100 lbs less than the 222 Dorado) is good for 46 MPH. The same website shows that the 202 Dorado with the 225 HP Yamaha 4-stroke tops out at 47 MPH and that boat weighs 150 lbs less than the 210 Sportfish! The appeal of the F150 Yamaha is that it weighs less then the 150 Yamaha HPDI 2 stroke and also costs less (due mainly to 4 vs. 6 cylinders).
Yamaha 150 4 stroke (V6) : 466 lbs
I'm also curious on what the boat show price was for the 222 Dorado and did that include a trailer?
I've kind of narrowed my search to the 222 Dorado, the Whaler 21 Ventura and the new 20 Grady White Tournament.
posted 01-19-2004 01:24 PM ET (US)
The weight of the 150 4-stroke given is for a 20" shaft. the others are 25". So the two 150's weigh about the same.
This is an opportunity for an excellent perfromance comparison, same weight, same cubes. Which performs better?
posted 01-19-2004 04:18 PM ET (US)
I have heard of Scout boats on-line, and saw one at a small boat dealer in Boyne City, Michigan--it was the only boat he had on display--but I don't think I have ever seen one on the water.
I think they are a small family boat builder in the south that has been increasing their distribution to more areas of the U.S.A.
posted 01-19-2004 04:24 PM ET (US)
I am not 100% sure, but I thought the Yamaha 150 4-stroke was a 4 cylinder with DOHC. That is why it is lighter than the 2-stroke.
posted 01-19-2004 04:29 PM ET (US)
We both made mistakes. You know its a 4-cylinder. You said V6 in the following line.
BTW, it is an inline 4cylinder on the 150 4-Stroke, vs. the V6 on the 150 HPDI.
Not that your asking, I would stick to the 2-stroke till the 4-stroke technology matures more.
posted 01-19-2004 05:22 PM ET (US)
Let us know how you make out if you decide to go with something other than your post classic 18 Outrage. As you may know we have the same boat, albeit the motor. If I remember correctly you repowered with a 200HP Honda and I have a 135 Opti. We probably have similar family issues too, trying to get a boat a little more family friendly. I saw the Scouts at the NY Boat Show. For the moment I'm safe and will keep my Outrage as my wife is living in a dream world and somehow thinks we can have two boats, a family cruiser and my Whaler. I know better...I pay the bills, it won't work. At any rate I am very interested in what boat you move up to and how you rate it with your family onboard.
posted 01-19-2004 10:09 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the feedback:
RonB, you are right, I am trying to find a bit warmer boat as my wife promises to go along more if I can achieve that. I do have the Honda 200.
Jkowalcz, I have as well narrowed it down the the Ventura 21, the Dorado 222 or the Grady. The Grady screwed up the seating though, so I don't think we will do that one. At the Cleveland show, they had the 222 with a F150, sports package, trim tabs, and hull color for 39,850 - no trailer. The factory rep told me that boat with a light load would go 39MPH with the F150. He said the 200 only brings it up to 44 or so. That sounds a little slow though as my Outrage 18 which weighs a bit more dry will go 48 with a light load. He said the hole shot was identical with the two motors.
It would be difficult to leave Whaler. I must say though that the Scout has a superior layout with good fit and finish. I am certain the Whaler is more solid. Some complain of a rough ride in the Ventura 21, any comments on that thought?
posted 01-20-2004 12:35 PM ET (US)
Scout boats is located in Summerville SC, about 10 miles from Charleston SC. I have been through their plant several times as I sold them a few things. They have an excellent reputatuion down here, and have been known to swap hulls if defective instead of trying to fix at least in the Charleston area. There boats are pretty good, the ride excellent, but in my opinion they are overpriced and the resale is average compared to a whaler. As one worker in the plant said "some models are great some are not".
posted 01-21-2004 12:44 PM ET (US)
Check out the dimensions on the 185 Sportfish. Pretty darn close to a boat I hold near and dear.
posted 10-29-2006 10:52 AM ET (US)
I am considering a 2007 Scout 222 Dorado and wanted to see if anyone could offer me a range of fair pricing. I see some out there from 45-60k. I found one for 51k with a trailer and a 200 Yamaha O/B. Also what have you heard about the stern and engine weight issue? The dealer was pushing the 150 but the boat is rated for a 225. That makes me wonder.
posted 10-30-2006 09:38 AM ET (US)
Well fiddlesticks. Here I was reading this thread and getting all happy because lhg was back amongst us CW’ers. Then I see that this thread is more than 2 ½ years old.
TrueNorth64, you are really restricting your post to a request for detailed information about a boat brand which is not the primary interest of this community. I think you will likely get more helpful responses in other places (Hull Truth, etc). Good luck.
posted 01-22-2009 07:49 PM ET (US)
I have just decided to put my 2007 Scout Dorado 222 on the market, going to sail again.
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Boat is like new 22 hrs. tt
This is a serious offer - $29000.00 !
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