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Comparison of 27 Outrage to Hinckley Picnic
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posted 01-20-2004 05:22 AM ET (US)
Has anyone compared any of the BW's to the Hinckley line (www.hinckleyyachts.com)? Specifically, 1)how have you found the fit and finish of the two, 2) how did you find the handling in 1-2 chop as well 3-4 chop 3) is it true that Hinckley allows you to use other brands of jets on the boat besides Merc? 4) I hear Hinckley has dropped the price of the picnic boat in China to $700,000, and that the Chinese are crying foul, as this is drastically undercutting sales of Chinese luxury jetboats to the interior China population. Is this in fact dumping? 5) Why won't BW allow us to order our hulls in navy blue?
I am asking this for a friend who is interested in the two lines of boats. And this is not a troll. I am serious. Very very serious. Very very very serious. Meanwhile I will await the abatement of this wonderful 10 degree weather and snow.
posted 01-20-2004 11:13 AM ET (US)
Why not have said friend order a 27 Hinckley Guardian from their CPD line... No I'm kidding-
If you've ever seen a picnic boat up close, they really are beautiful. Yes, the fit and finish would put anyone in Edgewater to shame, but it comes with a price, not to mention, that's like saying your friends 150' Alaskan King Crab boat offers a more stable fishing platform than my Montauk. The Hinckley IS fit and finish. Those Maine picnic style boats are who writes the book on fit and finish, along with their neighborine Maine boatyards. We're not really performing apples here however, Hinckley's all teak decks, seating, cap and toe rails are a much better look and finish than their fiberglass/plastic counterparts. You could probably pick up a decent used one
The Hinckley's perform unbelievably well in chop, probably up to about 4-5 feet.
posted 01-20-2004 01:42 PM ET (US)
Maybe it was a poor attempt at humour my bad.
posted 01-20-2004 05:50 PM ET (US)
Some people have pictures of pretty girls, cars or mountain scenes on their computer screen. I have had a collage of Hinckley Picnic boats on mine since they introduced them a few years back. It is one of my favorite boat designs in the past 15 years. I can look at them forever.
posted 01-20-2004 05:53 PM ET (US)
Dave, I made the mistake of ordering the catalog a few months back. A stunning packet came, as did a barage of emails and phone calls at home. Kind of tuff tellin my wife, "Oh that was nobody."
The Picnic Boat is timeless, but the sailboats are amazing. Ted Turner quality.
posted 01-20-2004 06:36 PM ET (US)
I was thinking about a Hinckley, but when I checked with JD Powers, I found out that Hinckley, like Mercury, didn't even come close to getting a customer satifaction rating from them, I knew they must not be a good product, and took a pass.
But, for what it's worth, about 10 years ago I ran across a guy on Lake Erie with a beautifully varnished (teak only!) 25 Outrage. He bought the boat used up in Maine, from Hinckley himself! It was powered with a single 275 HP V-8 Johnson, and would run about 42 MPH.
posted 01-20-2004 11:55 PM ET (US)
Well lhg, I don't think it's that Mercury isn't a good product, it just isn't up to par with say, Evinrude, Yamaha and Chrysler. I'm sure many Whaler owners are quite happy with their Mercury power plant.
posted 01-21-2004 07:36 PM ET (US)
The Hinckley screen saver is a boaters nirvana. We stayed next to the Hinckley boat yard this summer and watched the boats roll out each day. Just incredable how fantastic they are. The new 29 runabout is my personal favorite and the sailboats. Manset is the town outside Southwest Harbour you can stay at Manset House and rent a boat to explore the outer islands. The weather is perfect in July so book your reservation early because thats when everyone is heading to Maine.
posted 01-21-2004 10:07 PM ET (US)
Last August while cruising in Desolation sound We crossed paths with the 300' "Tatoosh" (Paul Allen owned). Anyway this boat keeps a 42' Hinckly (with flybridge) on it's starboard side as a launch. I have a great photo if anyone's interested. Unbelieveable...pb
posted 01-21-2004 10:29 PM ET (US)
I'd love to see it - send away.
posted 01-22-2004 09:42 AM ET (US)
posted 01-22-2004 01:43 PM ET (US)
Pete - Last August while ALSO cruising in the vicinity of Desolation Sound, JimH and I ALSO saw Tatoosh. We were heading into Dent Island Lodge at the Dent Rapids for the evening. Didn't happen to see a couple of Whalers wearing blue canvas did you?
posted 01-22-2004 01:52 PM ET (US)
Hey Larry, I think I was there the week before you guys. I was up the week of August 9-17. I remember reading some posts that talked about your location and time line. I ran across the Tatoosh in Squirrel cove. One of my highlights was running the 2 way river (flows both directions depending on tide)into Black lake at the back of Squirrel cove at high tide with my son. Great place, good memories...Regards, Pete
posted 01-23-2004 03:28 AM ET (US)
Martha Stewart owns a 35-foot Hinckley Picnic yacht. With the drubbing she has been taking lately, she may have to downgrade to a 27 Outrage.
posted 01-23-2004 10:04 AM ET (US)
I heard she was selling it on ebay...
posted 01-24-2004 07:06 PM ET (US)
I happened to be poking around a new Hinkley 40 at the Newport show last fall, and recognized Bob Hinkley from the website. I checked the boat out thouroughly, and on exiting the cabin he asked my opinion. Me being opinionated, I asked him if he wanted my real opinion, to which he repllied yes of coarse. What I found in the cabin was a bit disappointing on a $980,000.00 boat. The interior of the cabinettes above the 'V' berth were lined with indoor outdoor carpet (not the grass stuff at least). The other item that bugged me was that all of the cabinette hinges were cheapo pplastic 'chicken' latches.
He accknowledged these difficiences, and explained that he had argued with his board of director (he no longer ownes the company) that these were poor choices, but the dollar rules, even with $1,000,000.00 boats.
He was a nice guy, and expalined he was hding out, and not to let any of the sales people know he was there on that boat.
Also, it is interesting to see how flooded the market has become with their 36' picnic boats. A check on Yachtworld will bring up at least 20 used 36's. This has to hurt new sales.
posted 01-24-2004 07:08 PM ET (US)
Again I appologize for my terrible spelling, I'm not sure why 'cabinet' has suddendly become 'cabinette' in my vocabulary
posted 01-24-2004 07:23 PM ET (US)
It is ironic that Paul Allen has a 300' yacht named "Tatoosh". About 15 years ago Peter Fonda had a 81' sailing yacht named "Tatoosh". He was in the market for a new tender while here in Hawaii and a friend of mine bought his old tender: a 13' Whaler. He still ownes it and I believe the name "Tatoosh" is still on the stern.
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