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bricknj posted 01-22-2004 08:29 AM ET (US)   Profile for bricknj  
Hi,

Where to install the antenna for my VHF on the 190? The boat has a bimini top, not a t-top.

I have also a Garmin 188 with an internal.

TG_190 posted 01-22-2004 11:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     
Brick,

I have a Stainless Steel Whip antenna mounted on a SS ratchet style bracket to the Center console grab rail on the starboard side right above the Y that goes down. I can fold it up with the bimini in place without interference, and I can fold it down and get the canvas cover on the CC without problems.

An 8 footer is more of a problem, but if you ain't gonna go offshore, the SSwhip is fine for upto abou 4 miles. It also is less directional on a pitching boat, which is an advantage.

I also have the 188 int antenna, and an Icom 401 with DSC. Your gonna love the 188.

TG_190

tombro posted 01-22-2004 02:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for tombro  Send Email to tombro     
I have a 188, installed during the winterization process by my dealer this past Nov. It has been fun to play with, albeit only in my garage so far. Can't wait to get out on the water with it. Coincidentally, we're all NJ whaler owners.
Moe posted 01-22-2004 03:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Your whip's range sounds about right for a bay boat ;-)

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Moe

RonB posted 01-22-2004 04:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for RonB  Send Email to RonB     
Brick, TG_190, Tombro,

Perhaps we can all meet up on Flynn's Knoll in Raritan Bay when the stripers show up later this year. Although not in New Jersey, I come out of the Hudson River, under the Verrazano and into the Bay, Ambrose Channel ,etc. TG_190 calls me a brown water sailor, but the Hudson does have a great striper run in the spring. :-)

RonB

TG_190 posted 01-22-2004 04:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     
Moe,

I also have a GlobalFix406 EPIRB ;-) More afraid of a guest having a heart attack from all of the exciting offshore fishing than anything else.

Tombro,Brick,Ronb,

Despite ron's trashtalk about his miniscule fishboxes, and toe rails, he does have a nice boat. Despite the striper run, he seems particularly adept at catching catfish AKA "The Tuna of the Hudson" ... As far as what I call you its a tossup between "Brown Water Ron" or "Catfish Ron"

Yeah, I'd be up for it, assuming we can get past all of the logistics...shuttle launches and all. A flotilla of whalers...the fish wouldn't stand a chance.


TG_190

Moe posted 01-22-2004 05:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
TG, sounds like you need one of these.

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Moe

Moe posted 01-22-2004 05:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
brick, I'd use one of those ratchet mounts, either on the side or top of the windshield railing, but also use a 2' stainless mast extension to put a good antenna, like a Digital 528, up above the bimini frame. There probably would be some bending of the extension required to get the antenna out forward of the bimini and get the part the antenna threads onto vertical.

We're getting at least 15 miles with our antenna up on the bimini.
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Moe

Holy Cow posted 01-22-2004 05:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for Holy Cow  Send Email to Holy Cow     
Be sure to take some photos of the Gathering! Like Hot-Dogs-on-the-grill photos and salutations with good hearty cold beverages. I am sure when spring time comes I for one will be happy to read about the Raritan Whaler Rendezvous.
TG_190 posted 01-22-2004 06:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     
Moe and Brick,

Moe,your antenna solution, might yield greater range, but if you want to use a console cover, it is messy. My cell phone is good out to about 13 miles from Sandy hook down to Seaside Heights. 4-5miles of boat to boat range in that area is good, as I am rarely out of that range from other boats. I've heard that the coast guard can pick up transmissions from much farther away than the boat to boat range (line of sight) of the VHF anyway as they have huge towers along the shore. They can also crank the power up if necessary.

TG_190

jimh posted 01-22-2004 08:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
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bricknj posted 01-23-2004 09:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for bricknj    
Guys,

Thank you for the input. TG I believe I will go with your setup. I will let you all know and take some picture in two weekends.

Ronb,

I used to live in Bay Ridge as a boy under the Verrazano. I am hoping I can hug the coastline this summer, and actually make it up to Sheepshead Bay, and pick up my dad for a little ride :) Anyway I will pick that day very carefully and go with someone more experienced than myself.

As for a roundup count me in!

Again thanks guys.

bricknj posted 01-23-2004 10:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for bricknj    
Oh...and Ronb,

I have been reading up on the striper migrations. Fascinating stuff. They do 2500-3000 mile roundtrips;commencing in Maine all the way down to the Outerbanks, hang there until February, and then return north again. Many of them spawn in the spring in the hudson, and then swim out NY harbor and turn north. This is new stuff to me and I can't wait to give them a go.
(Again not a plug...but pick up On The Run...An Angler's Journey Down The Striper Coast... great characters, great info, great prose.)

RonB posted 01-23-2004 11:49 AM ET (US)     Profile for RonB  Send Email to RonB     
Bricknj,

I've seen the book and have read reviews of it. I hope to pick it up shortly, as in recent years my interest in the Striper run has peaked, thanks for the tip. I also had a brief stint tagging striped bass on the Hudson.

Funny you should mention Bay Ridge as that was the location of my last striper catch last year. I picked the wrong day to go down to Raritan Bay (don't let the word "Bay" fool you, it can get pretty nasty especially by Romer's Shoal) and decided to fish in lower New York Harbor. With all the Ferry traffic and wind I hugged the Bay Ridge side of the Harbor inside the Bay Ridge Flats and was able to land a nice striper while trolling. It wasn't a great day (cold, overcast, and windy) but it was still nice to fish amongest the skyscrapers of New York City along with a great view of the Statue of Liberty. My introduction to fishing was bluefishing out of Sheepshead Bay on the party boats.

Can't wait 'til Spring.

Ron

HAPPYJIM posted 01-23-2004 12:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for HAPPYJIM  Send Email to HAPPYJIM     
Off topic but wanted to help out with the striper migrations.

They have been here for about 5 weeks and going strong.

I'm amazed that there are still very large schools of them after so many have been caught.

http://www.oregon-inlet.com/journal/article.cfm?article_id=723

RonB posted 01-24-2004 12:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for RonB  Send Email to RonB     
HAPPYJIM,

Thanks for the info on the stripers down on the Outer Banks, I'm sure that lots of folks (besides Whaler fans) up here will be interested in that report you posted.

Depending on the weather the stripers start heading up the Hudson mid-March and last through May. Of course, they spend the entire summer and into the late fall in Raritan Bay and off the New Jersey Coast.

Right now the Husdon River is choked with ice, in fact, if the USCG cutters were no keeping it open for commercial traffic, I'm sure I could walk across it.

Ron

bricknj posted 03-08-2004 06:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for bricknj    
Hey guys,

Sorry to revive this.....

I got my Garmin 188 monochrome from west (I had a credit;they weren't the cheapest) My question is I thought I ordered an internal antenna model, and it came with the external antenna. Is that an advantage? disadvantage? Now that I finally opened the box to get it ready to bring the dealer, I noticed the model and am wondering if it is worth the hassle to send back. Maybe its better with the external and I should keep it? The installation will be done by the dealer, so I don't have to worry if it is more complicated, and therfore prone to my mucking it up.

PS I posted on another forum also, so TG and Moe....not trying to make you type twice :)

I also got the Standard Horizon Quest VHF with DSC and 4' digital antenna. Thanks for advice on that.

Hope to see you Jersey guys on the water; Look for the MARY ALICE. I am hoping we can play hooky one day, meet by the Highlands, and catch some stripers swimming north? TG190 how long a ride from the Manasquan Inlet? And did you get your 26 footer? Tombro what is your rig?

Cheers Brick (Sal)

Moe posted 03-08-2004 10:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
The external has the advantage of being able to be mounted up higher on the top of the windshield railing, where signals from satellites at lower angles are less likely to be blocked.

See what they charged you for. The internal model is less costly than the external model.

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Moe

TG_190 posted 03-09-2004 10:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     
BrickNJ,

A couple of issues with the external antenna:

Mounting the antenna on the console rail will make you have to consider a pivot mount similar to the VHF to get the console cover on.

Mounting it elsewhere will require more thought and/or more routing of wires.

The external antenna model does give you the option of flush mounting, but since I like to hook up my home PC to the unit, I'm not sure this is a good thing. If you have a card burner/reader, this may not be an issue for you.

The external antenna also has another physical connection which is slightly more prone to failure especially if you connect/reconnect many times, and leave the exposed connector lying around when you take the unit off the boat.

I have had no issues with the internal antenna on my boat.

It is true that the external is more expensive, but that is because of the extra components, not because of better quality. The external mount is the only option for boats with obstructions or users wishing to flush mount.

I personally feel the internal antenna on a gimble mount to the right of the compass, and slightly angled towards the port side (for visibility and access) is ideal on the Nantucket.

I flush mounted my VHF to the right on the flat console surface, under the 188 and it has been fine. My whip antenna is also on the starboard console railing.

TG_190

tombro posted 03-09-2004 02:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for tombro  Send Email to tombro     
Sal, As I mentioned earlier, I have the mono 188,with internal antenna. Was just installed last Nov by the dealer, and I had the boat winterized then. So, I have only been able to play with it in the garage. It acquires satellites fine there, and I bought the BlueChart chip for the Jersey waters. Very nice!

I have the 150 Sport, and this will be my 1st full season with it, as we just got it at the end of July, 2003. I have extensive experience with fishing and boating our home waters--right out to the canyons on my former boats. I am hoping my seamanship experience will "lengthen" my current boat, and I'll be plying Raritan Bay, 'round the Hook, and sometimes out Manasquan Inlet. The weather dictates the ramp I launch on. These boats feel bigger than their length to me.

Soon....

bricknj posted 03-09-2004 03:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for bricknj    
TG and tombro,

Looking forward. I am sure I'll have questions, if you are game for answering.

Later

TG_190 posted 03-11-2004 04:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     
Tombro and Brick, (RonB as well)

My Nantucket is still in Florida, and I'll be fishing the keys with it next week. I don't know when I'm gonna bring it back: either at the end of this vacation or towards the end of April. Once I have it back in NJ, I'd be happy to coordinate a trip (Seabass, blackfish, Stripers, etc. (catfish for Ron)). If I'm late getting my boat back I would be available to join you Sal if you want some help.

BTW, Sal I'll take a picture of my console setup and send it to you when I get back.

TG_190

bricknj posted 03-11-2004 05:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for bricknj    
I'll let you know when its ready and I'll be your first mate TG. Tombro and Ron....looking forward to meeting you all.

Today was gorgeous.....hard to work.

RonB posted 03-15-2004 12:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for RonB  Send Email to RonB     
Hi bricknj, TG_190 and all,

Well, I was at my marina this weekend, still a bit of ice but melting quickly. Even though the coming week is scheduled to be cold I'm hoping to be back in the water by the end of the month. I picked up some Pettit bottom paint (same stuff that's already on there). Loading my fishing reels with 30lb PowerPro.

Yes, TG_190, there are plenty of Catfish in the Hudson River, but the Striper season opens tomorrow (north of the George Washington Bridge) and for April and May the Hudson River enjoys some great Striper fishing on bloodworms and herring/bunker chunks. Sure I'll catch a few cats but once the water warms, look for the 40lb plus cows to start feeding on those chunks on their way to spawn.

Bricknj, I'll be fishing down by you (Raritan Bay) when the striper spawn finishes in the Hudson, (late May early June, I guess?)

Oh, TG_190, I was looking at the 2004 Nantucket at my dealer, still no fishboxes, so along with all those high priced fancy 2 speed reels you have, I hope you picked up a couple of fish bags for those Bull Dolphin and Wahoos you are fishing for right now in the Keys <VBG!>. I need to see some solid evidence this time! I don't want to hear, "I lost this huge Wahoo right at the transom, it had to be as wide as my transom!".

Bring back the tail of a wahoo or at least a picture! Good luck and be safe! Bring the Nantucket back too, otherwise you'll be riding with me on my "portly" 2000 18 Outrage and catching catfish this spring. See you next week.

Ron

TG_190 posted 03-22-2004 09:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     
Just Got back from the Keys, and I did trailer my boat back.

The wind was blowin hard most of the week, but I did manage to get "Offshore" (past the reef by a couple of miles) 3 times, and managed to raise a sailfish, caught two 4-ft kings, a monster 25lb barracuda, and several bonita.

No Mr. Wahoo this time:-(

Instead on heading offshore in the rough conditions, I did bottom fish on the reef 4 times, including once at night. I caught countless yellowtails (25 keepers total), 4 large black groupers, 3 mutton snapper, and numerous lane and mangroves. Two larger (30lb) Jewfish were hooked fought and released - awesome fights. The nightfishing was nonstop action for yellowtail. I probably landed about 30 throwback groupers as well(reds, blacks and gags).

I had several non-negotiable fish that just took line and eventually broke off-Probably monster muttons and groupers based on the way they fought. A shark mangled a yellowtail I was reeling in. The tarpon were not in thick yet, so I didn't target them.

I saw numerous sea turtles, dolphins, and ospreys. Lots of life. Temp was in the lower to mid 80s the whole week, only rainy day was Monday- Used that day to catch pinfish and ballyhoos for bait for the rest of the week.

Ronb, I put a 128qt cooler on my boat to account for the lack of fishboxes. The striper run on the hudson should be fun. You might even soil a fishbox on your boat this year!

TG_190

TG_190 posted 03-25-2004 12:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     
Sal,

You want to email me your email for a pic of my helm?

TG_190

Sal A posted 03-25-2004 12:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
You have mail...thanks tg
Yiddil posted 04-01-2004 04:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
Hi, got the 188c today, ordered a PC/power adapter also...Couls some of you email me a pic of the diffferent mountings youve done on this unit, w/antena....not sure if I need something Ive left out of the box...either flush or otherwise...thanks
nydealer posted 04-03-2005 01:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for nydealer  Send Email to nydealer     
Does any one have pictures of the VHF antenna placement. I have some one who wants to see what they look like. He has the bimini and is having trouble finding a clean location. BTW he is having us install a Northstar 6000 and Icom 502 VHF
Sal A posted 04-03-2005 02:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
http://hometown.aol.com/sarnuk/SalsWhaler.html

Scroll down and you will see my helm. I have found this setup flexible, and have not had any interference problems. However, others more experienced in these matters than me have suggested that the setup is not ideal. I would defer to their knowledge over mine. As I venture further offshore this year I may very well move towards a starboard gunwale-mounted 8 foot digital antenna.

The picture may serve you anyway.
Regards,
Sal

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