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Montauk 170 v. 17 or 18/19 Classic Outrage
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posted 01-29-2004 03:31 PM ET (US)
My first time on this side (the Post-Classic forum), so please forgive my post if it's duplicative of others here.
I've reviewed dozens of Post-Classic topics, and haven't seen one regarding all the following comparisons between a Montauk 170 and a classic (mid-late-'eighties) 17 or 18/19 Outrage:
1. Towing and launching ease (or lack thereof; problems if any exist).
Please don't tell me that I'm seeking impossible comparisons between apples and oranges; I already know that the two (actually three) boats are designed and constructed very differently, and that exact similarities will be few or nada. What I'm looking for, since the boats approximate one another in size and weight, are comments as to their general characteristics viz a viz one another.
Tony ('71 16 Katama/Yamaha 50 hp four stroke)
posted 01-29-2004 03:38 PM ET (US)
Another way of addressing this might be: Setting aside price, which would you rather own, a 170 Montauk or a classic 17 or 18/19 Outrage in equal condition properly powered? I'll ask the same question in "General" to get some balance. Thanks,
posted 01-29-2004 03:59 PM ET (US)
While on the Post-Classics page, select to view topics from the last two years. Then use "Find (on this page)" under IE's Edit menu, and search for topics which include 170. Lots of comparisons.
Do the same on the General page.
posted 01-29-2004 05:21 PM ET (US)
Of course, Moe...I just said I reviewed a bunch of topics here about the 170; just haven't found one dealing with all my compare/contrast questions in one place. If it's there and I haven't found it, so, so sorry. And, by the way, while looking through many of those posts, I've come upon some seriously fine graphs and charts prepared by you...thanks. But now how about letting someone else reply to my topic, if he/she feels so inclined.
posted 01-29-2004 11:53 PM ET (US)
I currently own a 2004 170 Montauk built in June 2003, recieved mid-July 2003. The day I unloaded it off the tractor trailer with a fork truck--one of seven and it was on bottom of the stack (figures)--I took the 90 Saltwater 2-stroke off and re-rigged with a 115 EFI 4-stroke. I got to 30 hours before snow and winter set in here in Pacific Northwest. I love it. If ya have question will be glad to converse..
Secondly, tomorrow, first thing I am installing a XL [extra long] 115 saltwater 4-stroke EFI on an 18 Outrage c.1987. There are soooo many differences in my boat and the Outrage of that year. This particular Outrage had (until today) a 150-HP 2-stroke oil-injected. It was set up with dual steering cables and tilt tubes. Originally the second steering cable controled a remote kicker motor. There is also an extra set of throttle/shift cables and top-mount twin control box and two ignition switches. It is my belief that it never had two cruising engines, just a main engine and a kicker, each with its own controls
I guess my point here is the Montauk I have couldn't run a pair of 115's where the 18 outrage could accomodate this.
Not enough transom on the 170. There are many other differences. For example, installed fuel tank and greater fuel capacity, more deck room to fish aft of seat/leaning post. But then the 18 Outrage is a heavier vessel with lots of wood--which means maintenance. The performance on the hull/ride/planing--I can't comment as never ran an 18 Outrage. I am just stating the obivous differences to the naked eye. I personally feel that my Montauk with the 115 and the stainless 14-inch pitch Vengeance prop launches like a rocket. And I enjoy the rush. LOL! However for fishability, I've seen a lot of people catching fish from shore. Me, I enjoy the ride. That's the best part for me. :-)
posted 01-30-2004 11:32 AM ET (US)
Thanks for that, Terry, and I guess you answered the second question also...as a rigger you must have a good first shot at many boats just coming on the market, and you chose a 170.
posted 01-30-2004 04:24 PM ET (US)
A while ago I asked a similar question on the "Classic Whaler: General " side.
I think some of your questions are also answered in that post but maybe not all. I'll try to highlight some issues that I have some experience with.
First of all I would like to mention that I have been out fishing and boating in 2, 18-foot Classic Outrages for many years now. However I have never owned one. The same can be said for a 17-foot Alert. I own a 170 Montauk and have taken her out about 80 hours now. Maybe it's because I own her, but I really love my boat. Although there are some small issues that could have been improved before launching by Boston Whaler. I will point this out later in the post.
Back to your points of interest:
Towing and launching ease (or lack thereof; problems if any exist).
We all have trailers with keel rollers so I don't know if I can compare with you guys. I have no problems launching my boat on my own. I do however always have a pair of wading boots with me. Be very cautious when choosing a trailer for the 18-foot Outrage. The boat weighs more than specified by BW. The spec's state 1225lbs but in reality it's about 1500lbs. They have been weighed here. The 17-foot Alert is the easiest to trailer and to launch because it's the lightest (obviously)
Handling characteristics & rough water capabilities.
After reading some of the experiences of some of the forum members here (lgh, Tabasco...)I don't really think I have been out in such bad conditions or have had such bad luck to be in a life threatening situation.
Comfort (seating, accessibility of controls, the console layout, etc).
I personally find the console of the 170 Montauk a bit low. It's ok when seated but too low for me when standing. The layout is fine. I like the no-feedback steering on my 170 Montauk. I don't like the standard steering system on the Outrage's that I have experience with. Letting go of the steering wheel can be very dangerous. I have also injured my kneecap twice on the console handle-bars of the Outrage. The seats in all boats are fine. The Outrage cooler-seat is larger than the others. More room is more comfort.
The inside space of the 18-Outrage and the 170 Montauk is basically the same. The Alert that we use is set-up completely different than the others and is used for a specific type of fishing: backtrolling and vertical jigging. The ideal boat for this type of fishing.
Finish and construction quality.
The general finish of the 170 Montauk is just fine for me except for 2 things:
Anything else ?
Why the low (90)hp-rating for the 170 Montauk? Brunswick policy? Everyone knows it should be higher.
All this said, I again wish to say that I really love my boat. I just pointed out some issues that have probably been discussed before about the 170 Montauk.
Sorry for the marathon post here guys. :-)
posted 01-30-2004 10:38 PM ET (US)
[Some portions of this thread have been edited to improve their readability.]
posted 01-31-2004 09:23 PM ET (US)
Bedankt, Erik! Thanks also to the several folks who emailed me with comments and links. You guys over here in Post-Classic are okay by me (but please don't tell anyone over in General that I said that, and pretend you don't know me if I drift by in my old Katama).
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