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SteviLad posted 01-30-2004 06:39 PM ET (US)   Profile for SteviLad   Send Email to SteviLad  
Any advantage to having the 135/ 150 Mercury 2 Stroke Optimax vs trying to get a 150 4 stroke installed? Is the optimax a good choice ?
kglinz posted 01-30-2004 07:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for kglinz  Send Email to kglinz     
There's probably more info on this than any other hull, but still no info on 150 4 stroke... http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/190Nantucket.html
lhg posted 01-30-2004 08:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Go for the Optimax, as I would be shocked if a big bore 4 cylinder 4-stroke could outrun a small bore V-6 2-stroke. Maybe eventually we will get some information here, but I think it's too soon for anybody to be re-powering a Nantucket yet. My guess is that the Mercury Project X 150 4-stroke won't be offered until next year at this time. Yamaha beat them to market on this class again.
James posted 01-31-2004 03:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for James  Send Email to James     
I do not think that the Mercury Optimax is going to fare too well in the Whaler market, once similar Project-X models are available. The Mercury Project-X will be introduced at the Miami Boat Show in two weeks. The new design introduction should loosen up some Mercury dealer lips on the various available power options and the expected delivery dates. I would wait and find out.

James.

jimh posted 01-31-2004 08:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I would do everything in my power to get the 4-stroke 150-HP from Yamaha. Here is why:

--It is the world's 1st production 150 hp EFI four stroke;

--It establishes a whole new class of marine power;

--Its design is inspired;

--Its weight is so light it is incredible;

--Its size is so compact it is incredible;

--It is the most versatile outboard made by Yamaha;

--Its performance defines a whole new level;

--It has all the qualities of a 4-stroke you expect;

--Its performance is awesome;

--It is clean;

--It is quiet;

--It is smooth;

--It is economical;

--It has created whole new standards of reliability;

--It has created whole new standards of durability;

--It is so fuel efficient it is incredible;

--It burns no oil;

--Its value is incredible;

--It is loaded with exciting features;

I learned all this from the 2004 Yamaha Marine Hot Sheet, page one. There are four more pages in the Hot Sheet, but after reading the first page I was convinced (and too exhausted to read them).

TRAFFICLAWYER posted 01-31-2004 10:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for TRAFFICLAWYER    
I totally agree with that gospel. Or get a Mercury 150 hp 4 stroke!
Moe posted 01-31-2004 10:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
I don't disagree the Yamaha F150 would be a wonderful combination with a 190. HOWEVER...

You're gonna have to at least take the 115HP 25" two-stroke Merc with its controls and analog gauges with the Nantucket.

An F150 at Ed's Marine Superstore is $10,000 plus rigging, gauges, and prop. Plus you'll probably have to pay an authorized service facility to install it for warranty purposes. My guess is you're looking at at least $13,000.

The 115 Merc goes for $5800 at Ed's. It might be a little harder to sell a 25" 115 than a 20". You (or your dealer) MIGHT get $5000 for it with rigging and gauges, leaving a cost for the F150 of at least $8,000.

Compare that to the $5000 Merc wants for the 135 Opti with smart gauges and goodies, and $7000 for the 150 Opti.

If one is paying near $40,000 for a boat anyway, one to three more thousand may be worth it.

If I were in the market for a Nantucket, I'd definitely wait to see what Merc will be offering with the Project-X engines.

--
Moe

jimh posted 01-31-2004 10:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
If those prices hold up, then a $1,000 premium is not too bad if you really want to get a particular engine. I would add these remarks, however, which could alter the appeal of such a deal:

--the $7,000 premium for the 150-HP Optimax may include some other benefits, perhaps upgrades to the propeller and the instrumentation, and these would have to be factored into the accounting;

--selling the 115-HP for $5,000 should be relatively easy for a dealer selling a new motor with full warranty, but as an individual you'd be selling a "used" motor and a buyer may be harder to find at that price. The best situation would be to get the dealer selling the boat to participate in the swap and become the buyer of the "used" engine.

If you really can buy a 2004 Yamaha 150-HP 4-stroke for $10,000 that is a good deal. Bombardier Recreational Products is listing their 90-HP engine for almost that price!

lhg posted 01-31-2004 05:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
I show the price spread between a Merc 115 2-stroke and a 150 Optimax to be $4500. Where is this $7000 coming from?

Even if I wanted a Nantucket with a 150, I would buy the Nantucket with the 115, then sell it unused, and do the upgrade myself. Then I could get the 150 EFI I would want instead! One of these 25" 115's is excellent economical power for an 18 Outrage, for instance.

But anyway, more people contemplating these new Merc only powered Whalers, any size, should make use of this website, to pre-arrange a new engine sale off your new 150, Montauk or Nantrucket, etc. There are people here looking to repower with a new Mercury outboard at a discounted price, and would take the brand new engine off your Whaler. This way you could then pickup the brand of your choice, without too much of a hit.

JimH - Honda says it's 150HP 4-stroke is the worlds first production engine in that class. These guys should get their stories straight. Lightweight now means the same weight as a 300 HP "Darth Vader" Merc EFI!

Moe posted 01-31-2004 05:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
The prices came from someone shopping for a 190... but now that I think about it, he was Canadian. That explains the difference.

--
Moe

tbyrne posted 02-01-2004 12:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for tbyrne    
But Jim,

How could you opt for the Yamaha? After all, it is actually on the market. Wouldn't you prefer the next greatest thing? Yamaha may puff their products, but I can't recall a product that will be as fantabulous as the new Merc Mega- Shrimp. Haven't you been reading Mercury's puff pieces for the last two weeks; oops, two months; oops, four months; oops, nine months....

Mercury does the same thing as Yamaha as far as "promotion," but you inevitably hammer Yamaha quite a bit harder. Why?

jimh posted 02-01-2004 09:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Actually I really do like the literature for the new Yamaha 150. I got it off the web in PDF format, printed it out, and it has been laying around the desk and the reading room for a couple of weeks. I didn't even have to go out and buy a new computer and operating system just to see it. Putting that brochure in PDF format is good thinking. That hard copy will be kicking around here for months.

The copy writers calmed down a bit after they got past that first page and the first couple of paragraphs. In the four interior pages there are 24 nice technical illustrations with good captions that show in detail some of the features. But for a while there I thought I was reading about something really monumental, the kind of story that could have kicked the moon landing off the front page.

But, hey, it's just the text I'm complaining about. The engine might be the greatest thing since sliced bread. Time will tell.

Fishin Rod posted 02-01-2004 09:50 AM ET (US)     Profile for Fishin Rod  Send Email to Fishin Rod     
jimh.

Your regard for bass fishermen is insightful. How's the view from up there?

Given the choice between a bass fisherman and a pseudo-intellectual, I'll take the bass fisherman!

Regards from a fisherman...

TG_190 posted 02-01-2004 12:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     
The name "Project-X" scares me a little. It sounds like some plane the airforce crashed in the desert during trials. No thanks on the project-X options.

I think Merc has finally made the opti bullet proof. Why argue with success. The benefits of a 4 are not that significant, and they have not been out long enough for anybody to convince me that they are more economical/easier to maintain. Silence is golden, but gold costs a lot. They may turn out in the long run to be great, but I would opt for the 135/150 opti even if the project-x motors were available.

I really wouldn't want to be part of Merc's Beta-testing program for the X. Just my $.02.

TG_190

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