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SteviLad posted 01-30-2004 06:42 PM ET (US)   Profile for SteviLad   Send Email to SteviLad  
Any suggestions for an electronics wish list on a new Nantucket 190?
Moe posted 01-30-2004 07:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Budget?

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Moe

hugehugo posted 01-30-2004 07:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for hugehugo  Send Email to hugehugo     
I spoke with Raymarine and the rep told me that they will soon release a new Chartplotter/Fishfinder combo at the Miami boat show. This sounds like a good option to me as it is at the lowere price range - around 1300.
jimh posted 01-30-2004 10:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Here is my list:

--Good depth sounder, or possibly a fish finder with high resolution display since the cost is about the same

--Commercial grade VHF Marine Radio Service transceiver with large external speaker and high quality 3-dB gain omni-directional antenna;

--GPS: none.

I would not invest in a GPS that mounted in the boat. I would get a hand held GPS and carry it aboard for the few occasions when it would be needed for offshore navigation out of sight of land. Maybe buy a bracket to mount the hand held device and an extra power cord and power adapter to run it from 12-Vdc battery power.

--No audio devices like CD, FM-Radio, Tape Player;

If you absolutely need to listen to recorded sound sources while boating, then get an Apple iPod and a pair of head phones.

If you must stay in contact via telephone, get a 3-watt "bag fone" cellular telephone and install it on the boat with power from the boat battery and an external antenna. Check with cellular service providers to see if they can offer you service for an older telephone like this. Also invest in a separate antenna for the cellular telephone, perhaps with some gain. With a good set up you should be able to get service many miles (20 or more) off shore.

Brands for radios I have good experience with (in order of preference):
--Motorola (commercial grade)
--Icom
--Standard

Brands of radios I would avoid:
--Raytheon
--everything else

Brands for depth sounders or fish finders I have good experience with:

--Lowrance

Brands of GPS:

--Garmin
--Trimble
--Magellan
--Standard
--SimRad

Moe posted 01-30-2004 11:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
You don't have to buy an old bag phone and try to get analog service for it, giving up digital clarity and features when on the boat, and having to maintain two phones.

Buy a 3 watt amplifier for your pocket digital phone. They're available from Digital Antenna, as are external cellular antennas. See:

http://www.digitalantenna.com/cellamp.html

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Moe

James posted 01-31-2004 03:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for James  Send Email to James     
I do my boating in Raritan and Sandy Hook Bays and the coastal waters of central New Jersey. I would make use of the larger console provided for the 190 and use separate GPS and Fishfinder units rather than a combo GPS/Fishfinder unit such as I have to use on my 170. My preferred electronics list for a 190 would include the following:

A 6 to 10-inch Garmin, Simrad or a Northstar color GPS/WAAS unit. A Furuno or Simrad color fishfinder. An ICOM 502 or 602 VHF with a 4 ft/4.5 dB or a 8 ft./6 dB DIGITAL-brand antenna. A back-up portable ICOM or Standard VHF is always good insurance.

I would most definitely include the factory installed Clarion AM/FM/CD radio. I got caught without a radio on the morning of 9/11. Seeing but not knowing. That will not happen again to me.

James.

jimh posted 01-31-2004 08:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Old bag fone: $15 on e-Bay
New amplifier: $415 MSRP

Old bag fone: great handset, strong volume
Pocket fone: tiny buttons, can't hear over motor

Digital coding: awful artifacts in audio; great Darth Vader sound
Analog coding: no artifacts

Thomas Edison actually invented digital audio coding and compression algorithms in 1927, but when people listened to it, they said, "Tom, that is nice but it sounds like crap." He went back to work and came up with something better.


bricknj posted 01-31-2004 09:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for bricknj    
I have a 190 Nantucket on order.

The electronics I ordered are fairly minimal considering that I will use my boat for family cruising and near shore and bay fishing. I ordered a combination chartplotter / finder: Garmin 188 monochrome with internal antenna. I might have sprang for the color 188c, but that doesnt come with an internal antenna to my knowledge. One could easily argue that I do not need GPS given my stated needs, but who knows...maybe psycho fog may creep up on me. I have also seen it argued that given the generous console space on the 190, It is worthy to get a seperate GPS and seperate fishfinder. I can see that, but I tend to be minimalist in nature and like things as uncluttered as possible. I also ordered an ICOM fixed mount VHF with DSC capability, and a good quality antenna. I have a backup hand-held Uniden VHF as well.

Come to think of it, for my needs the new Garmin 60c handheld might have fit the bill nicely (bluechart compatible, portable for the auto as well).

More serious fishermen will opt differently I am sure.

Moe posted 01-31-2004 09:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Old bag phone $15 on eBay
plus $50 activation for one year minimum,
0$ activation for two year contract,
more monthly phone bill(s)

New Amplifier $283 + $20 adapter at Bethel-Marine

Pocket phone: have same phone directory with you

Pocket phone buttons: learn to use one-touch dialing

Pocket phone volume: no 4-stroke = use an earphone or headset

Digital coding: what artifacts?

Analog coding: static

Have owned both... would never go back to analog!

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Moe

jimh posted 01-31-2004 09:16 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Pocket fone with cables attached for:

--external antenna so can use power booster
--external power so can run off boat battery
--headset so can hear on boat

Total kludge! Wires running everywhere!


Bag fone with graceful, rugged handset with mil-spec coiled cord:

--beautiful engineering

Maybe use the bag fone only on classic Boston Whaler boats.

Seriously, that $230 amplifier is a good idea. If I were a telephone junkie I'd get one. Most of the time when I am on the boat I don't want to get telephone calls. However, it might be nice to be able to make one (like a 9-1-1 call) in an emergency.

Moe posted 01-31-2004 09:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Seriously, I don't want phone calls on the boat either. Agree about 911 calls. That's why many of the sportfisherman owners use the amp and another 8' antenna. Just a backup to the backup.

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Moe

Moe posted 01-31-2004 09:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Agree with James 99% down the line if you can afford it.

Separates give more screen area, but a 10" landscape display with chart on the left and fishfinder display on the right side would be okay. In chop, the bigger the screen, the easier it is to read. Size matters!

My preference for GPS is Garmin for the intuitive interface. The 2006 or 2010 would be my pick for a 190. Besides off-shore navigation, GPS is useful at night or in fog, for navigating narrow channels, for avoiding obstructions and shoals, especially in unfamiliar waters, and for returning to favorite fishing spots.

If you're serious about fishing, most like Furuno's fishfinders. The FCV582L has a good reputation. But some also use Garmin's fishfinders.

Icom's my favorite VHF, and I agree on the 502 minimum. This lets your GPS automatically display location of emergency calls, as well as returns from your Position Requests to buddies in other boats. I can't do that with my 402.

I'm not big on music onboard, but it's nice to be able to keep up with a ball game or race, not to mention get breaking news, with one of those little portable LCD TVs. They aren't waterPROOF, so store them in a ziplock bag.

Here's one missed so far, and it will take a fair chunk of your budget. If there's any doubt at all that you might not be able to make a VHF contact in an emergency, definitely get an Emergency Position Indicating Radio Beacon (EPIRB). Forget about the land radio based ones and only consider a 406 satellite based one.

You do not need an automatically deploying Cat I model. These usually require the boat to sink to a depth of 13' to release and that ain't gonna happen with a Whaler. A manually activated Cat II will do.

Without GPS capability, your rescue will be delayed by waiting for the satellites to get a fix on you. You can get EPIRBs that interface to your existing GPS (i.e. the ACR RapidFix) and transmit the last known position. For a bit more, you can get EPIRBs with their own internal GPS (i.e. the ACR GlobalFix), which keeps your position updated if you're drifting.

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Moe

Maximus posted 01-31-2004 09:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for Maximus  Send Email to Maximus     
Does anyone have any real experience with cellphone booster/cable connections to VHF antennas? It would be nice to use my nokia 30 miles offshore, but I am somewhat hesitant by the mfg claims. What doe these boosters cost?
Moe posted 01-31-2004 10:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Read the electronics forum on theHullTruth. At least one owner I've read backed up the 50 mile range.

This is where I got my Digital VHF antenna... lowest price I found at the time and they have a very good reputation.

http://www.bethel-marine.com/Digital_Antenna8A.htm

BrokenLegDave also has a stellar reputation among boaters, and beats Bethel's price on the amp by a few bucks.

http://www.brokenlegdave.com/Manufacture/Digital_Antenna/DA4000.htm

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Moe

Maximus posted 01-31-2004 10:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for Maximus  Send Email to Maximus     
Thanks, Moe

Will check it out.

Maximus

Yiddil posted 03-27-2004 03:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
Hi all, getting ready to recieve a new Natucket 190....need some help with electronics....Had a Old Proline..sold it as package...right now all I have is a IC-M15 waterproof VHF Marine Transciever....Do I really need a base model VHS Radio???? DO I really need a GPS if only for dailer river movement in the Potomac...and WHich Fish Finder depth finder ..how big a screen?...flush mounted?? or Top MOunted????????? thanks in advance, THE YIDDIL
Yiddil posted 03-31-2004 05:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
Well I Bit the big one ...after the purchase of the NAntucket190....that is.......I decided to go with a Garman 188C/w exter. ant./trans. model. I got the best price at Dave's Marine Electronics. Dave says thanks to all that recommended him, he was super nice. They had been running pretty high most places, I got the unit, wtrans/ant AND a Chesapeake Bay to Richmont Va. Blue Chart chip for the same price as just the unit any other place...Ill see about a Icom 502 later, have a Icom M15 for right now...GEEEZE the Boat not even delivered yet!!!now were to mount?????? hehehehhe
Yiddil posted 03-31-2004 09:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
OH Foooey! I knew I forgot something.....gotta go back and get a
ac/pc/power cable so I can download updated software from
Garmin....now to figure out which cable...am I having fun yet????

Hmmm...got me thinkin...that would be great for playin in the house,
ooomaybe a cable for playin in the car....Have I left anything out LOL

Chuck Tribolet posted 04-01-2004 12:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for Chuck Tribolet  Send Email to Chuck Tribolet     
The right cable will work both in the house and in the car.
You need a 12V DC power supply with a cigarette lighter for
in the house.


Chuck

Yiddil posted 04-01-2004 01:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
Please explain??? I thought the one I got would power her up and download to the unit..wont I be able to use that way??
SteviLad posted 04-01-2004 01:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for SteviLad  Send Email to SteviLad     
I started this thread on Jan 30, 2004, & I am planning on taking delivery of the boat in the next few days.
This is the electronic list that I decided on:

I decided to go with Raymarine components.

I ordered the GPS RC400 Chartplotter, Ray 54 Class D DSC VHF Radio,
& The DS500X Digital Fishfinder with a transom Transducer.
The fishfinder & VHF Radio will be flush mounted in the console, & the removable Chartplotter will be mounted on top, & interfaced with the other components. I also had a Clarion Radio, CD, Satellite Radio combo flush mounted alongside, with speakers on the either side of the console. The 3 Foot stainless antenna is mounted on the starboard rail alongside the console. Plenty of room under the bimini.
I was also able to find a stabilizing bracket for the Mercury Optimax 150, that was specifically made for that motor to use when trailering. Its a short (approx. 12 inches) solid bar that spans between the motor & transom. We decided to add a 2nd battery back up in the center console, as well as ordering canvas covers for the console & leaning post. The dealer also included a set of pedestal seats.
I had added a hydrofoil (Dole-Fin) to my 50 Hp Yamaha on the 14 Dauntless that I traded in for the Nantucket. It made a huge improvement in ride & time to get on plane. Would that be a worthwhile addition to the 150 Opti?
Thanks

SteviLad posted 04-01-2004 02:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for SteviLad  Send Email to SteviLad     
By the way....thank you all for the extremely helpful info. I've picked up by visiting this website. I've learned lots of useful items, tricks, & tips, that were valuable in deciding on the purchase, & then the accessories to outfit the purchase. Its been quite a learning experience for me. 20 plus years of sailing taught me very little about the care & feeding of power boats.
The dealer here in Minneapolis (Windward Marine) has also been great, & spent alot of time researching products for me. They are a Raymarine dealer, & that was a big reason I decided to go with that brand. They do expert installation, & are good about fixing problems & guaranteeing their work.
Have a good boating season everyone!
Yiddil posted 04-01-2004 10:58 AM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
Good Luck with the new boat, Steve:) I'm a few weeks away from getting mine...Mines a bit different, went with the Garmin 188C, Icon M15, later a 502, and I too wanted a second battery and switch. No music yet...may even go with the iPOD for a while, not sold on music yet.

I second the emotion that this place has been enormously helpfull with ideas and insight.

jimh posted 04-02-2004 10:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Since the thread has begun, I have changed my thinking and I now no longer encourage the 3-Watt Bag Phone.

I saw a great gizmo for small hand held cellular telephone. You set the hand held unit into a cradle and it makes connection to the mobile telephone for antenna, power, and audio receive/transmit. This would be great on a boat. You could use your mobile hand held telephone, and rig the cradle to the boat for a better antenna, better power source (your boat battery) and to a hand set for operation. The cradle gizmo is about $100. It converts the mobile telephone into a standard wired telephone, so you can use any normal wired telephone with it. You can even use these to replace your home telephone.

I will post a link to more details when I find them.

Yiddil posted 04-02-2004 11:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
Hi can someone tell mehow to make the PC work with the Garmin 188C...have caBLE, settings on Garmin...PC...Ive tryed almost everything I know...cant get it to function on PC? Is there some kind of software or is it a straight connect with settings in windows??? Please help...thanks:)
Sal A posted 04-03-2004 05:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
Yiddil

You have mail

Sal A posted 04-03-2004 05:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
I sen you an email, but then it occurred to me JIMH might want me to reply here instead of offline.

I believe you have a garmin 188c with a prerecorded chip for your area. It will work when the dealer installs your unit on your boat. To integrate with your PC, which you would want to do if you liked to create and download your own maps, for different areas, you need to buy Blue Chart America CD.

The map information (depths, wrecks, marinas, services, aids to navigation) is viewed in a Garmin product call MapSource. When you buy the Bluechart CD, it will place Mapsource on your PC; you follow the installation instructions onscreen when you start the CD. It will allow you to go through the Garmin website to obtain "unlock" codes for two units and two units only. Once you have the unlock codes worked out, you simply highlight map areas you wish to view, and download them to your unit (Garmin 60c for example) or a BLANK chip (you need a special Garmin USB adaptor to do this, as well as blank chips).

Yiddil... it sounds to me as if you don't have the Bluechart CD, but rather bough the preprogrammed chip instead. If you boat in just that area, it is a fine solution. I spent hours playing with the PC to get it to work right, hours on the phone listning to bad Garmin music, and hours away from better endeavors.

Knot at Work posted 04-03-2004 06:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for Knot at Work  Send Email to Knot at Work     
Sal is correct. Go to West Marine/Boat US or even Garmin webpage and you can order the stick to update your charts. If you currently have the stick for your area, you didnt need it, it was supposed to be programmed prior to sale. If you were charged for the stick take it back and swap it... Or Download your new info via Sal's description
jimh posted 04-03-2004 08:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
There are so many problems in getting a hardware serial data connection to work it is astonishing that it ever happens. This is hardly a Boston Whaler topic, but really more of a computer forum discussion. But here goes:

Problems in Data Serial Connections:

Hardware:
--voltage
--polarity
--signal reference to ground
--wiring
--connector
--inter-connection (talk/listen to send/receive)

Software:
--protocol
--baud rate
--data format

Get all of these working, then you may simply have higher level software problems, too.

On top of all this I think we should go wireless and add Bluetooth radio links to the connection.

Fellas--it's a 19-foot boat, not the Queen Mary 2!

ptortora posted 04-03-2004 09:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for ptortora  Send Email to ptortora     
I'll be taking delivery on a 190 Nantucket mid April. For electronics, I selected the new Raymarine C120 (wanted big screen for split screen) along with the Raymarine DSM250 Sounder module for the fish finding component (has been getting good reviews). I also went with an ICOM 502a and a Clairion XMD3-RD Waterproof Stereo with Bose speakers. The nice thing about the Nantucket is the huge CC space to hold all of the electronics. I know some boaters would probably think this is overkill but I'm into electronics (hey, I did hold off on radar component). I'll report back on the 'performance' of the electronics once I get the boat into the water. Good luck with your Nantucket.
Yiddil posted 04-03-2004 02:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
Thanks for all the responses....but Im still confused, amybe I wasn't clear.......

I have the 188C, comes witha base map, but thats different from the Blue Chart Chip I added for the chesapeake...theres a big difference in maps with chip...unless Im doing something wrong...Thats no problem....

I thought I could direct connect the Garmin to the PC and view the Garmin Map on the PC "without software" by using a direct connect in Microsoft 2000 Network set up a connection...

Seems what I hear is that you can not do that and the reason for the CD is to customize maps and down load them to the GArmin bland chip or over right your existing chip...not what I wanted to do...

I just wanted to view what I had in the Garmin 188C on my PC..thats all:) There must be a way with out bying more Software???????????? Maybe not....

IMHO, I disagree about the approporiateness of the topic.......I think its appropriate topic although froth with computer savey to be able to play with your charts using a PC, especially if your setting up for an outing and dont want to do it while sitting on your Nantucket 190 whaler.....

Yes its not the QEII, But it is personal preference, and the ability to learn something new from others, isnt that what this place is about? My nantucket is my QEII:)Im trying to get knowlege and insight about the ability to use this Garmin with a PC for the Whaler

I appreciate the comments from all, still think someone out there has a fix for me...........:) THE YIDDIL

kamie posted 04-03-2004 03:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
Yiddil,

I just sent you email but the short answer is, without the bluechart CD for your PC you can't view anything on the PC. Without that you have no maps on your PC to look at. You may try going the opposite route, if they will let you return your card. Buy the Bluechart CD for the Chesapeake, and buy a blank card at least 32 meg and the card programmer. Then you can look at the charts on your PC and create routes and then transfer the whole thing to the card and take the card to the GPS and go on your way. Assuming that you don't want to connect your PC and GPS in realtime which is a whole different setup all together.

--kamie

CHRISWEIGHT posted 04-03-2004 04:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for CHRISWEIGHT  Send Email to CHRISWEIGHT     
yiddil
I think your dead right In my experience it is almost impossible to creat routes once you are at the boat unless you want to spend 30 mins setting up the gps in your all to short cruising time.

However from what I have read on the Garmin site i think you will need software for the pc end of things as the gps uses serial connection (v slow).

CHRISWEIGHT posted 04-03-2004 04:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for CHRISWEIGHT  Send Email to CHRISWEIGHT     
yiddil

Its your boat have all the toys you want, as far as Im concerned they add a whole extra dimension to the experience and I often choose the navigator station rather than drive just to play with the electronics, aside from the obvious saftey aspect, 188c looks a great unit, have fun.

Moe posted 04-03-2004 05:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Yiddil, this is the way I understand it...

There are three ways to get more detailed (than the basemap)chart into a Garmin GPS that takes memory cards.

1. Buy a preprogrammed memory card from Garmin. This contains the detailed chart. You do not have a PC version of the detailed chart, but you can use any mapping software on the PC to create waypoints and download them into unused memory on the preprogrammed chip.

2. Have one of Garmin-selected dealers program a memory card for you. This card contains the detailed chart. You do not have a PC version of the detailed chart, but you can use any mapping software on the PC to create waypoints and download them into unused memory on the dealer-programmed chip. This is almost the same as buying a preprogrammed memory card from Garmin, and it eliminates the dealer having to carry a huge stock of different Garmin preprogrammed cards.

3. Buy the BlueChart CD-ROM, a blank Garmin-proprietary memory cartridge, and a USB Garmin-proprietary card programmer. The CD-ROM contains all the maps, including the one(s) you unlock with a purchased code (one unlock code, usuable on two Garmin units is included with the CD-ROM). The CD-ROM includes the Garmin MapSource mapping software which can view and use the actual detailed chart that will be downloaded into the blank memory card. You CANNOT customize the detailed Garmin chart, however you can create waypoints on the exact same chart that has been loaded into the GPS, and load them into unused memory on the card. You can also create waypoints with other mapping software and load them into the memory card, but other mapping software cannot view the detailed Garmin charts, only the ones they are designed to use (i.e. MapTech).
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Moe

BillVT posted 06-10-2004 09:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for BillVT  Send Email to BillVT     
Well, maybe this got a little away from MARINE electronics, but I too found it helpful. I know others in the other forum sections would enjoy it, too.

As a classic Whaler owner, if anything, it made me happy I still have my old classic 3-watt Motorola bag phone (with active account to go with it). Yes, it works great way out to sea here in Maine and you can use that old cigarette lighter plug and reminisce about when you used to enjoy smoking. My new digital phone, even with $250 car kit, doesn't compare up here in the land of hills and skimpy cell towers.

This idea of publishing for all a list of some tried and true electronics for small boats is good and should be formalized and updated. But we can keep the marine entertainment audio out, in my view.

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