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bigjohn1 posted 02-18-2004 09:20 AM ET (US)   Profile for bigjohn1   Send Email to bigjohn1  
Gang,

I am very near closing the deal on a 2004 170. When discussing my desired options with my dealer, he mentions a $984.00 rear seat option. What's the deal here....I thought the only "rear seats" in a Montauk were the molded in ones with no cushions.

This guy has a so-so dealer reputation though but I would like to think he just made a mistake and was thinking about a different model when he brought up the rear seat option.
I live on the island of Guam so he has a monopoly on the BW market -- too bad for me.

Moe posted 02-18-2004 11:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Let's be clear about something first... those are "boarding steps" in the stern corners of the 170, not seats, as on some of the much wider Whalers. I'd guess if you look in the owners manual, they're shaded as not for use when underway. The following is just my opionion. Others may not agree. They're way to low and certainly too narrow, especially aft, to be used as adult seats. There's the 2" lip of the motor well on the inboard sided that could break a hip if an adult bounced down hard on it in chop. While you could put a small child on them on smooth water, that's the worst possible place for small children, who could be bounced over the transom crossing a wake or in chop. Anyone sitting there would also need ear plugs to prevent hearing damage, as well as a rainsuit. That has to be the lowest, wettest spot on the 170.

From what I've seen in these forums, there is no optional rear seat on the 170, but some are adapting the much narrower classic 17 Montauk one, and I believe there may be an aftermarket one now. Here's a previous topic discussing this:

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001206.html

In that thread, I suggested mounting two more 72QT coolers in the stern for seating and storage, and offered a link to an illustration.

Here's another 170 layout, using the 72QT cooler for fish, and adding a 54QT for food and drinks, a bait bucket, and a Porta-Potti (or pail-potty) in the stern. You'd need to mount a couple of spacers on the bilge cover to get the bait bucket up where water could flow under it. This would only add seating for one more.

http://www.engr.udayton.edu/staff/lriggins/Whaler/170fishing.jpg

Just some suggestions.
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Moe

WT posted 02-18-2004 12:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
Here's a link for a stern seat for the Montauk 170. $1200 and they are going to make a T-Top for the 170 also.

http://builder2.bellsouth-hosting.net/cgi-bin/ePages.filereader?4032905f000b6ecd0000c6ace3950666+EN/products/50713&2D20608


WY

Barney posted 02-18-2004 07:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barney  Send Email to Barney     
Thanks for the link. Jim
BMR posted 02-18-2004 08:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for BMR    
BW has just launched a new option for the 170 Montauk; a full aft bech seat. It is very much like the aft bench that was offered in the pre 2003 version. Additional phenolic has been add to the cockpit floor to facilitate this option.
Moe posted 02-18-2004 08:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Yee haw! Boy, those guys at Whaler sure respond to what they read in these forums! First the rear cleats, now the rear seat! LOL!

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Moe

Jimm posted 02-18-2004 09:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jimm    
Don't need anymore weight in the rear. Sit 'em up front looking rearward on throw cushions or......they can swim.
Barney posted 02-18-2004 09:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barney  Send Email to Barney     
Jimm, Good one. Unless the children can pool there summer money, they will ride on the bow. I do have ample cushions. Jim
bigjohn1 posted 02-19-2004 08:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigjohn1  Send Email to bigjohn1     
Thanks Moe and everyone else or comments. Looked at the seat on the link and while it looks fairly big and comfy, it would add unwanted weight to the stern. Not sure if BW factored in this additional weight over and above the increaded 4-stroke weight when they redesigned the hull. Also, if it gets mounted forward of those two tiny molded in step/seat things, there goes all the aft deck space....ah decisions, decisions...
Knot at Work posted 02-19-2004 10:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for Knot at Work  Send Email to Knot at Work     
I aint putting no stinkin T-Top on my Montauk.

Divedog posted 02-19-2004 12:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Divedog  Send Email to Divedog     
It's true! Whaler just e-mailed me a couple of photos with the rear seat option. They also said anything after January 2004 has the deck reinforcing to accept the seat. Nice to have choices but it sure fills up the boat.
erik selis posted 02-19-2004 02:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for erik selis  Send Email to erik selis     
It's nice to know that BW reads the threads on this forum and maybe acts on what's suggested by owners.

Concerning the so called steps at the stern of the boat. I wouldn't advise anyone to sit there. It's like Moe said and not only that, the boat can't handle all that weight at the back. Trying to get the boat to plane feels like your trying to take off into outer space. I have seen picture of 170 owners who have put nice cushions and back rests there. It's just for the looks guys. No way you can use them as seats when the boat's under way.

Erik

RioRaft posted 02-23-2004 03:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for RioRaft    
I can't imagine a bench seat in the rear, I think it would take up way too much room. I remember seeing a picture (some UK Whaler site)of a classic style Montauk rear bench seat installed in a 170 and there certainly was minimal room between the RPS and the bench. As for the corner steps I don't remember anyone sitting in them under way but hey get used around the dock as seats(after you dry them off, there always wet). I'd have to say a bait prep area is the primary use for them on my boat, also for some reason things left on them under way never seems to blow overboard, maybe there too low.
As for the T-Top on a 170 I'm with Knot at Work!

Rear seating and T-Tops aside the Montauk 170 is the greatest boat I've ever owned. 2003, the 27 gallon Pate and 90/4 conmbination let's me stay out and play for a long time.

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