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divefan posted 02-28-2004 02:47 AM ET (US)   Profile for divefan   Send Email to divefan  
First I would like to say thanks to all who contribute to this forum. I have been reading all of your posts since December. That is when I first got interested in buying a Montauk. Actually quite by accident. I have been boating for many years. Just sold my 31' Cabo in November. I figured I would go boatless for a while until I decided what to buy next. In the meantime my wife and I needed a boat that we could dive on together. We are both avid scuba & freedivers going out a least once a week. My neighbor mentioned a small Whaler. He has a 70's something Montauk that he has kept since he was a kid. Now it has a Honda 90HP 4stroke on it. Well, I never even dreamed of owning one (never even been on one) but I started looking into it. Long story short it seemed to fit the bill. Something to take out the inlet for 2-4 people, hit the reefs, drag it along with us for a couple of hours, and just have some fun. Safe, seaworthy, and you guys know all the rest of the good stuff.

Looked around for 2 1/2 months for a used one and then ran out of time :). Bought a new one at the Miami show this month. 170 Montauk, 90HP 4 stroke. It had the fishing package on it so I took it. But that's all. Didn't want anything more.

So far we haven't put it in the water yet because we are waiting for our new jet dock to be put in. So it's sitting in the driveway. Driving me nuts but it will be in the water soon enough. So far we have installed a custom dive ladder on the port side and removed all the rails. Next are the electronics and that should be it.

I figure on a good weekend in the summer we can even run it to Bimini. I will post some photos as I go a long and let you all know how I progress.

My real purpose in writing was to let you all know how much this site means to people like myself who may not contribute a lot but who do read a lot. You have made this one of the most fun purchases of a boat ever for the least amount of money! Doing the research, reading the posts, and experiencing all of your "Whaler enthusiasm." Some of you are a bit out there (in a good way) :), but you are all fun to read whether I agree with all the posts or not.

Btw, bought the boat from John Connelly at The Lauderdale Marina in Ft. Lauderdale. He lives in my town and is one kick ass super guy. I highly recommend him. If you are ever in the area and need something give him a call.

Thanks again to you all.

erik selis posted 02-28-2004 06:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for erik selis  Send Email to erik selis     
Divefan,

Congrads with your new 170 Montauk. I wish you lots of luck, pleasure and safe boating.

I would love to see a picture of it without the rails.

Erik

Moe posted 02-28-2004 11:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Congratulations on your 170 and welcome to continuousWave.

If you haven't come across it yet, here's a link to one of our diving member's websites:

http://www.garlic.com/~triblet/whaler/

We'd all love to see pictures of your boat as you personalize it.

--
Moe

prm1177 posted 02-28-2004 02:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for prm1177  Send Email to prm1177     
One comment on "running it to Bimini." When growing up in Boca Raton in the '60s, my buddies and I made a couple of Bimini runs in our 13 ft Whalers. (If my parents only knew.) A couple of suggestions. Carry a VHF with you and when you go over, arrange to accompany a larger boat (+30 ft) over. That way, if you have a problem they can assist immediately. (And if their Sea Ray starts to take on water, you can save the day in your Whaler!) But seriously, always make the crossing in a group.
divefan posted 02-29-2004 01:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for divefan  Send Email to divefan     
erik: I will try to post pix tomorrow of what I have so far.

Moe: I did see the site on the dive boat and immediately stole the idea of the DriDek. I have used it before but never to cover an entire deck. It made sense so..... :) My wife cut and measured for 2 days and did an outstanding job. Bow to stern and everything in between is covered. Life is good when your wife is also your best first mate.

prm1177: Rodger that on the "Sea Rays" to Bimini. LOL. Loved that one. See it all the time. I want to know what teenager growing up in those years from Boca to North Miami living near the water did not go to Bimini in a 13' Whaler? So far I can't find one. Your advice on going over in the 170 is sound as well. I am sure you and all the "other kids" in the 60's did exactly as you said. :)

divefan posted 03-01-2004 01:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for divefan  Send Email to divefan     
Here are some thumbnails taken in bad light of the rail-less look, dive ladder, dive ladder bracket mount, and "DriDek" deck covering (thanks Chuck Tribolet).

http://home.comcast.net/~spearhunter1/whalerpics/index.html

Moe posted 03-01-2004 09:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Life is good when your wife is also your best first mate.

Amen, bro!

ghefty posted 03-01-2004 09:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for ghefty  Send Email to ghefty     
Downsizing Whaler style? 31 Cabo to 170, I also downsized to a 170 from a 36 Formula. Let us know when you are doing the Bimini trip maybe we can set up a group.

Congrats on your new toy, she looks good without her rails.
George

erik selis posted 03-01-2004 11:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for erik selis  Send Email to erik selis     
Thanks divefan for posting the pics. I couldn't really get a clear view but it looks ok without the rails.

Erik

divefan posted 03-01-2004 12:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for divefan  Send Email to divefan     
erik:

Just posted some new pics. I hope they are better. Used morning light instead of afternoon shade. Guess I need a photo class!

ghefty:

Sounds good to me. I think one of those nice lazy summer weekends when the stream lays down like glass. I figure we can run across in less than 2 hours with conditions like that.

WT posted 03-01-2004 07:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
Divefan:

What do you have on you deck?

I was thinking of installing some restaurant mats. Your setup looks better.

Thanks,
WT

Barney posted 03-01-2004 07:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barney  Send Email to Barney     
That is a nice set up. Different look for sure. Jim
divefan posted 03-02-2004 12:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for divefan  Send Email to divefan     
WT:

That is the DriDek 12"X12" rubber squares that you buy at the boat store. They retail for about $4.35 but I caught a boat show sale and got them for $3.35 each. I got the idea from "Chuck Tribolt's" great BW Dive Boat post.

JIP posted 03-02-2004 02:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for JIP  Send Email to JIP     
Here's another source for floor mats.

http://www.floorscore.com/nonskid.html

Jack Ip
TackleTour

divefan posted 04-01-2004 07:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for divefan  Send Email to divefan     
New pics posted.

1. antenna 4'
2. antenna mount
3. transducer/ (temp only-no speed)
4. garmin 188
5. Standard eclipse plus VHF (non dsc)
6. battery charger (dual capable)
7. battery charger outlet (for on lift plug in)
8. under console hour meter (strictly for service intervals. no need for fancy mounting))
9. hull graphics
10.canvas-motor/seat/console

http://home.comcast.net/~spearhunter1/whalerpics/index.html

WT posted 04-01-2004 07:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
Divefan:

Very nice setup.

I removed my bow rail also. What did you use to get the adhesive off after you removed the bow rail?

Thanks,
WT

divefan posted 04-01-2004 11:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for divefan  Send Email to divefan     
WT:

Thanks.

I had the dealer take off all the rails before I took delivery just for that reason. They used some kind of solvent/bond remover to break the seal and clean it up. However, I really don't know what it was they used. I think someone did mention a product on another thread that I read.

Knot at Work posted 04-02-2004 06:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for Knot at Work  Send Email to Knot at Work     
Divefan,

Very nice! Your graphics looks great!

Your Garmin and Radio and Antenna Positions are the same as mind, I trust your gonna enjoy them and find them functional.

HARD to imagine a Montauk with no rails!! Kind of like shaving a moustache off after decades of wear... time will tell... but I suppose it fits your function.

Enjoy your Whaler!

erik selis posted 04-02-2004 08:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for erik selis  Send Email to erik selis     
Divefan,

I agree with Jeff (Knot at work). It all looks great.
I like the battery charger and the mains inlet too. Good job!

Erik

AQUANUT posted 04-02-2004 10:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for AQUANUT  Send Email to AQUANUT     
I learned will attending a school fpr the 35 foot cierra bayliner line..that lacquer thinner does an awesome job as a cleaner on white gelcoat...
it removes adhesives easily....
put it on a shop towel..prefferably white..some towels will leave their color on your boat..and be quick with it
a small amount on a towel can also be used to clean difficult stains on vinyl uph.


caution
excess amounts leftto stand on vinyl will eat a hole thru the vinyl and make it like soup..
also....keep it away from vinyl graphics..and lexan windshields..

FYI: it is my experience that all laquer thinners are not the same....some are{it seems} much more effective cleaners than others..so spot test ..but they are very effective and require little elbow grease...since gelcoats are porrous surfaces...use caution on use of other cleaners.

WT posted 04-02-2004 10:21 AM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
Aquanut:

I'll try the laquer thinner. I used elbow grease and finger nails to remove the adhesive on the smooth surface. It's a bear to get it off the non-skid surface.

Thanks,
WT

fitn217 posted 04-02-2004 02:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for fitn217  Send Email to fitn217     
Hey Divefan, I've got a few quick questions on the ladder transom mount. Did you thru bolt the stainless mounting part through the transom on the port side? Can you fit all of the bolts above the stern seat? Also, how many steps of the ladder are under water, and is it easy to board? I have the same ladder, but I haven't installed it yet.
Uncle Pug posted 04-02-2004 02:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for Uncle Pug    
Divefan.... beauty!!! :-)
divefan posted 04-02-2004 05:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for divefan  Send Email to divefan     
Thanks to all for your nice comments.

fitn217:

Ladder bracket was mounted by the dealer before I picked it up. I bought the parts and had him do the install. It is really 2 different parts. The outer most piece where the ladder actually slides in and is held in place is what comes with the ladder (you probably know this already). The dealer said he couldn't get the correct angle for the ladder putting it directly on the hull. He took what I believe he said was a bracket that they use on the Dauntless and put that on first and mounted the original ladder bracket to it. I was very impressed with the way they did it. A very good idea and a very clean job.

It is NOT through bolted but lagged into the backing plate that is put in at the factory. They said it will NEVER come out. Sooo, if it ever does I see them for the fix'in. It was worth the very small price I paid for the install to have no concerns down the road. So far no probs at all.

I have more than enough ladder in the water and the upper rung height is just perfect to get a leg over the transom and onto the step inside the boat.

James posted 04-02-2004 10:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for James  Send Email to James     
divefan,

Congratulations on your new rig. Very nice pictures of your boat and your neighborhood in the background. Florida looks extra great after the weather that we had in New Jersey for the last six months. I met John Connelly while visiting Ft. Lauderdale a couple of years ago, and he was a pleasure to talk to.

I noticed the location of your Garmin 188 transom mounted transducer. I would be interested in hearing how the unit works out for you, and I hope that it works out really well. I had to relocate the transducer of my Simrad CE-33 on my 170 to a minimum distance of 18 inches from the centerline of the 90 HP/4-stroke engine, because I was getting some interference with the depth readings. Perhaps, Garmin has a better electronic clutter buffer.

James.

WT posted 04-02-2004 11:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
James:

My transducer is mounted about 17-18 inches from centerline also. I'm about as close as possible to the bunk guide of the trailer.

WT

divefan posted 04-03-2004 05:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for divefan  Send Email to divefan     
James:

I keep my depth no matter how fast I go. I lose bottom contrast once I get over oh say 30knts. But I am not usually looking at the bottom going 30knts. Once I start slowing down to check my exact location it picks it right back up. How does your's work now with the location you have picked?

fitn217 posted 04-08-2004 09:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for fitn217  Send Email to fitn217     
Divefan, thanks for the response. I will now be thru bolting (I don't want to take any chances, as the manufacturer of the ladder recommends this) the ladder mounting bracket the same height only on the starboard side as I have my transducer mounted on the port side. I mounted the transducer on the port side directly under the strake because I thought that the drain from the bilge would create aerated water near the transducer. I get great reading at all speeds until I go into the channel and then the bottom detail dissapears. If I run the boat at a continuos bottom depth it works great, however when I run at changing bottom changes I'll lose bottom detail at the deeper depths. I just can't seem to figure out how to get good bottom detail in all conditions...yet.
BTW I have a Lowrance LMS-320.
Good luck with the boat it looks great!
erik selis posted 04-09-2004 03:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for erik selis  Send Email to erik selis     
fitn217,

If you also have a 170 MONTAUK you will not be able to thru-bolt the ladder mounting bracket in the same position as Divefan. The top 2 screws (bolts) won't be a problem. The bottom 2 will as there is no way to reach inside the steps.
This is the same for both port and starboard side.

It may work if you place the bracket a bit higher so the bottom holes exit just above the steps. I would however be very very cautious before drilling any holes...make sure you measure correctly and are absolutely sure.

Good luck,

Erik

fitn217 posted 04-11-2004 11:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for fitn217  Send Email to fitn217     
Eric, I just completed the installation yesterday. I thru bolted the top two bolts and lag bolted the bottom two. I would have had clearance to thru bolt the bottom ones as well, BUT I may have had to cut the washers and I didn't want the bolts sitting in the water channel almost always being in contact with the water that always accumulates there. I think that most of the force will be placed on the upper bolts when using the ladder anyhow. If in time the lag bolts do pull out I could then thru bolt the bottom ones. I also used a generous portion of 5200 inside the holes and out. It looks bulletproof and will hopefully have no problem hauling my 200Lb body with dive equipment up into the boat.
bigjohn1 posted 04-12-2004 09:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigjohn1  Send Email to bigjohn1     
Divefan,

Very nice, clean installation and setup on everything! Being that you are a fellow spearo, what have you found to be a good way to install some sort of mounts to stow your guns? After years of having them slipping and sliding around in RIBS and other inflatables, I'm looking to do something clean that will accept Rob Allen and Riffe guns.
Thanks,
Big John

AQUANUT posted 04-12-2004 10:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for AQUANUT  Send Email to AQUANUT     
hey john
used to do the grouper thing with a hawaiian sling back in the 70's..but wound up with a phuematic later on...
how thick is the diameter of your spear guns? http://groups.msn.com/montauk170/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=9
these so called rod holders....might work..they also are used as oar holders
Moe posted 04-12-2004 01:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
You could use a length of the appropriate diameter white PVC pipe with an end cap drilled for drainage. You could even notch the pipe for the gun grip, the way rod holders are notched, and drill some holes in it for a bungi cord to keep the gun in it.

--
Moe


divefan posted 04-12-2004 04:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for divefan  Send Email to divefan     
Hey Bigjohn,

Thanks for the kind words. Much appreciated.

Personally, I take the simple route and put everthing on the deck. Years of hunting with the freediving crowd has left me with some bad habits. Most of the guys I know just toss everything on the deck and forget it. On the other hand, scuba divers (which I am most of the time)tend to be neater and use racks. I think mainly because they have so much gear to care for that they are more respectful of things that can go wrong.

So, if you are set on a rack instead of the deck you can go to the website below and call Kevin. He makes the best racks I have seen for guns. I believe he has stock racks that will fit both the RA and the Riffe's. Btw, he sells to many dive shops that use his racks for display. I think you will be very happy with his stuff.

Good luck.

http://www.slinginsteel.com/racks.html

James posted 04-12-2004 07:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for James  Send Email to James     
divefan:

Sorry I did not respond sooner. I cruise and fish in relatively shallow bay waters (typically 5 ft. to 25 ft.).
I never lost the chartplotter image, regardless of speed, but the depthfinder image was sometimes cluttered and I would occassionally lose the bottom signal.

Relocating the transom mounted transducer outward and manually adjusting the factory settings reduced the initial electronic signal-loss and screen clutter significantly.

I sent the unit in for a factory check this past winter and they installed, at no cost under warranty, a new software version. I am curious to see how this new software is going to work out, when the 170 hits the water on May 1.

James.

bigjohn1 posted 04-13-2004 08:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigjohn1  Send Email to bigjohn1     
Divefan,

Thanks for the web addresses...I will for sure look into what he offers. Also, Moes thought on the PVC pipe has worked for many people I have known so we'll see what the broken wallet will allow after this big ticket purchase. Most here use floats and bungies and with 3-4 of us, the deck always turns into a tangled mess especially when we see "boiling water" and want to jump in FAST.

Aquanut...my hat's off to ya as I have always been pitiful with a sling. I used pnuematics early on (Mares) till I started going deeper then ditched them in favor of bands due to power loss at depth. I'll sneak this in before Jimh gets on me about getting off topic....I once was at 55ft and had a nice Trevaly swim right by me within range. I popped him with the pnuematic and it bounced right off him due to pressure loss at depth....no more pnuematics for me after that.
Big John

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