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Whaler 275 Conquest vs. Pursuit 2870 WA
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posted 02-29-2004 02:40 AM ET (US)
My father and I are considering going in Partners on a 28 foot boat with 9'6" beam. He has a 25 Pursuit with I/O already and I have a 17 Montauk. Both are in great shape and we would like to have something a little bigger to take on big trips and to use when vacationing together. Boat will be trailered and will need to fit through 13 foot tall door so it can sit next to other boats in the heated shop.
I would like some opinions on either boat from those who have seen them and spent time on either. I have memorized every stat and have seen every Pursuit currently made and have been to the Pursuit factory. I would really like some real opinions. You boys in Florida spend much more time around these high quality boats than we do here in the NW. We are not looking at the boats in the 30's and 10' wide because it is just not realistic to launch and trailer easily. I know it can be done, but does not seem to make sense for us.
Thanks in advance,
posted 02-29-2004 12:24 PM ET (US)
I can only answer part of your question. My Dad was a Pursuit 28' Denali 2860 (has the cuddy cabin but same hull as the walkaround) with twin 210 hp Mercruisers with Merc's version of the duoprop. What an outstanding boat.
A recent boating article called it one of the best "SUVs" of the sea. Fast, strong, good looking, good workmanship. A lot of fine adjectives.
Whaler makes a quality product and so does Pursuit. Both would serve you well.
posted 03-01-2004 09:35 AM ET (US)
Your looking at 2 very good quality/comparable boats.
1 thing to keep in mind with be the Whaler will be equipped with MERC and the Pursuit more than likely Yamaha.
I would simply look over both boats very thoroughly and sea-trial both before making a deposit.
As an owner of a 97, 23' Conquest w/single MERC, I would probably choose a Pursuit over BW if/when I step up to the 27-28 ft range.
posted 03-01-2004 10:37 PM ET (US)
Currently have an 03 COnquest, nice boat, but IF I were to move up I'd strongly look at the 30' and 33' Pursuits with outboard power.
posted 03-01-2004 11:48 PM ET (US)
I have actually had (impure) thoughts about buying a Pursuit.
I hauled back about fifteen pounds of literature from the Miami boat show. Other than Boston Whaler and Brunswick CGP brochures, there was only one other boat builder catalogue in my briefcase.
Do you think there would be as much interest (and fun) in a Pursuit forum?
posted 03-02-2004 12:51 AM ET (US)
I looked at a 2870 Pursuit at IMC on Lopez 2 years ago. It was very similar to a 275 Conquest. I don't like the Walkaround. If you stick the nose in a wave the water will be funneled into the cockpit. Like a Trophy. When comparing prices, a lot of things that are standard on a Conquest are options on the Pursuit. It might be easier to deal on the Pursuit if your talking new. If you're talking 4 strokes you can get the same 225 on either boat. Ones black and the other is gray. Neither boat is near a 28/295 Conquest. If you're trailering you have to permit anyway. The 28 is 12" wider and has 104 more gallons of fuel than the 275. You can certainly go anyplace you want with 192 gal in the 275 Conquest or 235 gal in the Pursuit, but having 296 Gallons allows you more choice in fuel stops. Last year fuel prices ranged from $.88 to $.67 a liter so having a choice is nice. I know that there are no 2004 295s but there are probably some leftovers and some used around.
posted 03-02-2004 01:07 AM ET (US)
I really appreciate the feedback. I have always thought that when buying a small center console there was no better choice than a Whaler. But when buying a boat 25+ Pursuit has been the choice. My father bought a 1978 Pursuit 2500 brand new and was one of the first people in the state of Washington to have a Pursuit that size. After spending years and years cruising and fishing on this boat it received a makeover that started 7 years ago and did not end until last spring. The boat had always been garage kept and really did end up spending 5 1/2 years out of water in the shop. We replaced or refinished every component of the boat outside of the fiberglass. New engine, wiring, you name it. The boat is in like new condition... really. The reason that I say this is that well the boat looks and feels like no other boat could over this time frame.
I have spent lots of time on a 3000 Express and Pursuit is going to soon be releasing a new version of the 3070 with revised sleeping and galley. That should be a nice package and not to much more in cost than 2870 according to Pursuit. The 3370 is not realistic to trailer and is too much money for me.
Anyways thanks for the insight and any real world opinions are always appreciated.
posted 03-02-2004 08:09 AM ET (US)
Here is a bias for the 275 vs. the Pursuit. The Pursuit is higher cost, and as already mentioned marginal on options. My 275 came loaded out and priced $20k less than a 2870. The really selling point for me was the extra sleeping of the mid-cabin in the Whalers. If your going to spend that much money I wanted to get as much cabin in the boat as I could get for staying away from home. The Pursuits relatively don't have much cabin space for the dollar.
Boat to boat, I think they are both quality boats, it worked out for me for the Whaler to be a much better value.
And I got Yamaha F200's to run mine.
posted 03-02-2004 07:34 PM ET (US)
Great points Tully. The mid cabin berth is the main reason we are considering Whaler. The only unfortunate thing then is that the person sitting there won't be able to put there legs forward and sit normal. The storage loss does not matter because of the in floor storage the Whaler has. I think that the new 3070 with revised interior may be the ticket. Maybe just buy a 1999 3000 Express for 100K and pay moorage?
posted 03-02-2004 10:12 PM ET (US)
I don't know, by keeping a boat having a full moorage boat all the time you loose a couple of things and gain a few. You just have to weigh them out.
The Express is a beautiful boat, but if you don't get diesels the gas mileage is going to be atrocious I would think. That is the benefit of the 2870/275 with 4-strokes. A good friend of mine has a Pursuit 2700, which is really 29' long by today's standards. With 350 Vortec MPI motors (335 hp a piece) he is getting 1-1.2mpg at 24 mph. I get 1.7-1.8 at 30mph. The Express even with 350's would not be as good as the 2700 Tiara since it is a heavier boat, and may even have 454's which would put you in the .6-.7 mpg range. (Based on another friend with T454 MPI in a 32' Trojan)
An important thing for me was the ability to haul the boat out on my own and move it inland for storms or repairs. I know this isn't for everyone but more difficult to do with a in the water boat.
Benefits of the Express, they almost go with out saying. Better ride, more cockpit room, more cockpit room, more cabin. Probably I would suppose a little more steady with the extra beam, and more cabin options.
Tough decision, good luck. If you are ever in Orange Beach look me up and you take a sea trial in a 275.
posted 03-03-2004 12:34 AM ET (US)
Great points Tully. The only reason I said that about the Express is that my uncle has one that is well maintained and he is thinking of going to a 39 Bertram. I told my dad that if he does that we should take the Express off his hands and with the cost savings over the new 3070 we could have moorage paid for about 6 years.
We really do want to trailer a 3070 but don't know how easy that can be done that is why we are looking at the 28 foot range. I really enjoy driving to his house on a weekend and tinkering with the boat in a nice warm shop in the middle of winter.
Down in Florida there seems to be a fair amount of trailering of 10'4" boats what is your opinion? The shop is only 10 miles from a very nice boat launch. Most people in WA act like towing a boat that size is nuts. Loaded up it would be pushing the limit on the 2500 Duramax we have.
posted 03-03-2004 11:22 PM ET (US)
Funny you say that about trailing 10'4" boats, a lot are trailered down in my area. The SKA is big stuff here, and a lot of large Regulators and Contenders are on the road all the time. The most I see are the 27 and 31 Contenders. I am not sure of the beam on the 27, but I am pretty sure the 31 Conteders are over the 8'6" limit. I also see quite a few Grady's on trailers, particularly 28' SailFishes and Marlins.
I can see your thinking, passing up an Express could be tough.
They say you need the permit in AL to trailer of 8'6" boats, but from those I know in the SKA circuit not many permits are requested.
posted 03-04-2004 01:15 AM ET (US)
Sorry Tully, but what is SKA. The 31 contender is actually only 9'4" wide. I am sure it would not be that big of a deal if we trailered a 10'4" Boat. Heck Pursuit actually delivers them to the dealers in Florida on a trailer towed behind their shop F-350.
posted 03-04-2004 09:16 AM ET (US)
Southern Kingfish Association
In other words.....Big Ego's, And mega buck go-fast Center Consoles.
posted 03-04-2004 09:27 AM ET (US)
PSW, we often trailer our "big" boat, a Grady 272 Sailfish with a 9'6" beam. It tows easily behind a full-size GMC diesel pickup and we can launch or retrieve on most ramps with no problem. Although we do keep it in the water for the very short boating season here in Michigan, it is still nice to be able to tow it somewhere else for a change of scenery.
I haven't spent any time on larger Whalers except at boat shows, but I have spent quite a bit of time on various Pursuits. I think that the mid-sized Pursuits are better constructed than almost every other boat in their class. Look in the bilges and you'll see pristine wiring runs, high-quality hoses and seacocks, properly installed fuel tanks, and gleaming gelcoat. Check out behind the instrument panel and look at the clean wiring looms. Look at the fit and finish of materials and all the thoughtful little touches. Whaler does it all pretty well too, but I still give the edge to Pursuit. I am very anxious to see the new 3070 and 3370 in person.
posted 03-04-2004 01:36 PM ET (US)
Pursuit makes an excellent boat that still sinks.
posted 03-04-2004 02:00 PM ET (US)
Why does it 'stink'?
Is it because you are a current Whaler owner?
Interesting how boat allegences change with ownership.
posted 03-04-2004 02:01 PM ET (US)
Nevermind, I'm going back to sleep until boating season!
posted 03-04-2004 09:32 PM ET (US)
Actually, I have a few accounts of friends of mine who have had severe damage or sinking boats offshore.
One had a Pursuit 2470 who had the inner/cap hull separate from the main hull in a 5 foot sea on their way home in a tournament. It also broke less a stringer in the front of the boat in that same trip. A few thousand $ later all was actually better than new from a local fiberglass shop.
Another had a Hydra-sport 19foot sink on him within 2 miles of shore from a crack in the base of the hull. It just started taking on water on their way home and didn't quite make it to the beach.
Had one in a 18foot Bayliner get swamped from behind on a calm day from towing a shrimp net, no wonder they call them Bayliners, they line the bay.
Had another roll a 23' Cobia in a 6 foot sea. Don't know many details other than they salvaged the boat then sold it.
The Pursuit thing with the cap could actually happen with Whalers too I think since the cabin area is actually capped on too. I still think they are a first class boat, it can happen to anyone.
posted 03-04-2004 09:33 PM ET (US)
forgive me all, the Pursuit above "broke loose" a stringer.
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