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ptortora posted 03-16-2004 10:15 PM ET (US)   Profile for ptortora   Send Email to ptortora  
Just bought a Nantucket and I'm trying to decide on a gps for the boat. Fortunately, it has lots of space for electronics on the center console. I've narrowed it down to a Garmin 2010c or a Northstar 6000i. Appriciate it if anyone with some experience with either of these and could give any suggestions...

Thanks

SteviLad posted 03-17-2004 12:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for SteviLad  Send Email to SteviLad     
I just finished ordering the electronics for my '04 Nantucket 190.
I decided to go with Raymarine components.
If you check out their website, there is a new handheld mountable chartplotter, that interfaces with their new VHF radios & Fish Finders.
I ordered the GPS RC400 Chartplotter, Ray 54 Class D DSC VHF Radio,
& The DS500X Digital Fishfinder with a transom Transducer.
The fishfinder & VHF Radio will be flush mounted in the console, & the removable Chartplotter will be mounted on top, & interfaced with the other components. I also had a Clarion Radio, CD, Satellite Radio flush mounted alongside, with speakers on the either side of the console.
Should be awesome when everything is installed & the weather in Minnesota opens up another season of boating......can't wait.
Good luck.
Moe posted 03-17-2004 08:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
No personal experience with either, but from what I've read on TheHullTruth.com electronics forum, those with the 2010 are happy, those with the 6000 are disappointed.

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Moe

Ventura16 posted 03-17-2004 09:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for Ventura16  Send Email to Ventura16     
If you are going to spend the $$ on a 2010c, I'd take a close look at the new Raymarine C-series. Either the C70 or C80 would be perfect for the Nantucket. This gives you chartplotter, fishfinder, and radar capabilities all in one unit...just add the appropriate sensors and transducer.

Tom

Captain Billy posted 03-17-2004 09:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for Captain Billy  Send Email to Captain Billy     
Go with Garmin. I have the 2006C (did not have room for the 2010C) I could not be happier! The software is very easy to use and the graphics are great. I would have got the 2010C in a heartbeat if it would have fit.
Billy
jaccoserv posted 03-17-2004 02:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for jaccoserv  Send Email to jaccoserv     
If the 6000i Northstar wasn't the best, you wouldn't find them on today's best yachts. The Northstars are the quickest, most easy to use, and all around best GPSs availible today. Ask any canyon fisherman who takes his boat 100+ miles offshore, or Greg Norman, who has Northstar GPS on his 180' Oceanfast. Hatteras, Viking, Post and all the custom yards offer the Northstar as standard equipment, that right there tells volumes.
Rich Wiggins posted 03-17-2004 10:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for Rich Wiggins  Send Email to Rich Wiggins     
Hmmmm, I just bought a 22 Guardian and was looking at GPS too; but I don't know much about them.

1. What's the advantage of linking the radio to the GPS? I don't get it. I can see linking RADAR to the plotter...but how or what does linking the radio do? How's that work?

2. My boat came with Foruno radar. Will that work with Garmin or the other brands? I have a pilothouse so there's plenty of room inside.

Thanks again for the help.

jimh posted 03-17-2004 10:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Why put a $4,000 GPS on a 19-foot boat? I'd get a $200 hand held GPS and have fun with it in the car and on the road.
Moe posted 03-17-2004 11:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Jim, why is it you're ate up with handheld GPSs? :-) Don't you ever go out in more than 1' of chop in that 21 Revenge?

BrokenLegDave sells the Garmin GPS-2010 for $759.98 and the GSD-20 Sounder for it for $225.92! All you need is a good Airmar transom-mount transducer for it and you have a whopping 10.4" diagonal GPS/chartplotter/sounder! By golly, if a man can afford a 190, he can at least afford that! If I had that kind of money, I'd do the 2010 and a separate Furuno sounder.

If you want a GPS you can use in the boat AND car, wait for the Garmin GPSMAP 276C. At least it has auto-routing, which is really essential on the highway.

If you REALLY wanna tiny handheld to try to read while you're wandering all over the road/water, at least get a Garmin GPSMAP 60C, or wait for the GPSMAP 76C, both of which have auto-routing.
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Moe (loaded up on Irish whiskey and green beer tonight! LOL!)

jimh posted 03-18-2004 12:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Nota Bene: To Rich Wiggins.

Your question re radio and GPS interconnection is a good one, but not really germane to the discussion of Boston Whaler boats first designed after 1990.

I posted a new article on this topic in the GENERAL forum. Please see my remarks in:

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/006940.html

Moe posted 03-18-2004 12:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Rich, if you have a Furuno radar with chartplotter (Navionics or C-Map), you can plot the boat's position on that chartplotter, via NMEA data, from any NMEA-capable GPS receiver, including some of the Furuno GPS/USCG-DGPS units such as the GP37.

If you want to overlay the radar image on the chartplotter, you will need to provide the unit with the boat's heading as determined by a digital compass or heading sensor, such as the KVH 1000 digital compass or Furuno PG1000 heading sensor. Some autopilots also provide the boats heading to the chartplotter.

There are several advantages to connecting the GPS to a DSC capable radio, such as the Icom 402S. First and foremost is sending your position in an emergency message. The second is automatically plotting the position of a received distress call on your chartplotter if your radio also has NMEA output, such as the Icom 502a (the Icom 402S doesn't have this capability).

If you know the MMSI of a friend, you can use a DSC-compliant radio to send him a position request, which his radio can reply to if receiving position info from his GPS. If your radio outputs NMEA data to the chartplotter his position will automaticaly be displayed. And vice versa.

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Moe

jimh posted 03-18-2004 12:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Re 19-foot boats and $4,000 GPS receivers:

We spent two weeks cruising the coast of British Columbia. I think the only time I looked at my position on the GPS was one afternoon at the dock when LHG and I were comparing accuracy of our two receivers.

When underway I probably looked at the GPS a few times, mainly to verify the compass heading as we were not familiar with the magnetic variation in that area. Or to compare the speed on the GPS with the paddlewheel Speedo to get a measure of the current as we were in some areas of big tides.

The rest of the time we were looking at the water and the scenery, not at a GPS. I guess if I had a 10-inch color GPS, I might give it a look.

A couple of times in the past we have used the recorded course line function to trace our way back home from on a dark night in strange water. But even then, most of the time I look ahead and around, not at the GPS.

Now last month down in Florida we were hanging out in Port Everglades in Ft. Lauderdale and following the new Queen Mary 2 out to sea. When she hit the Atlantic, she put on some right rudder and turned for her run down to Buenos Aires. She needed a $4,000 GPS Chart plotter. There was a 3-foot swell running and it was a dark black night, so we turned around and went back via the intracoastal waterway. Stay between the daymarks all the way home.

Now getting back to that rock pile on Lake Erie where the bass are hiding--you'll find them just a easily with a $200 receiver.

Moe posted 03-18-2004 12:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Jim, if you had a 10" color GPS chartplotter, you couldn't HELP but give it a look! LOL!

For finding a rockpile with fish, a $50 handheld will do. But for a quick view of the world, a glance at a $1000 10" color chartplotter can't be beat! Nowhere near $4K!
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Moe

jimh posted 03-18-2004 09:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The Northstar 6000i model with the 10-inch display is $4,000. If the Garmin is one-quarter the price, that is a deal.
BMack posted 03-18-2004 09:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for BMack  Send Email to BMack     
I agree with Jim. Start with a handheld. Get the new color garmin handheld with blue charts for you area. If you need more screen get a garmin fixed unit which will accept the charts and use the handheld as a backup.

I fish offshore and the GPS76 ($200) works fine even when conditions are 2-4.

Bob

Moe posted 03-18-2004 09:58 AM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
I sure got that wrong last night! LOL! The GPSMAP 2010C is $2149 from BLG plus the sounder. Not quite half the price of the 10" 6000 from BLG ($3800).

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Moe

ptortora posted 03-18-2004 01:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for ptortora  Send Email to ptortora     
OK everyone, I appreciate all of the advice. However, I'm a tech freak (sorry) and I'm definately going to stick to a 10" (plenty of space in the console of the 190 and my eyes aren't what they used to be).

I've ruled out the Northstar... far too expensive for what you get. I'm still leaning to the Garmin 2010c but I also like the new Raymarine C120 with their DSM250 fish finder. Seems that the fish finder has better resolution over the Garmins. Also like that it can take radar and overlay over the charts (just in case I get that 2' thing everyone keeps talking about on the forum).

If anyone has any thoughts or experience with the new Raymarine C series, please let me know.

Thanks for all of your advice.

Ventura16 posted 03-18-2004 02:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ventura16  Send Email to Ventura16     
I don't have any personal experience with the C120 yet, but we are seriously considering it for our "other" boat...a Grady 27. We currently have a full suite of Raymarine electronics (circa 1996) and would like to uprade to current technology.

Deliveries are just starting now for people who ordered at the Miami Boat Show and initial reports are very positive. The C-series uses Navionics Gold cartography which is highly regarded. The DSM-250 HDFI fishfinder module has been available for a while with the Raymarine RL series...it has gotten rave reviews from everyone who has used it.

I think the C-series represents a breakthrough in integrated systems and is approaching the cost-effectiveness of dedicated smaller units in a much better package for a single helm installation. Just the thing for any boat where helm space is at a premium.

Tom

TG_190 posted 03-22-2004 10:43 AM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     
I saw the C120 at 2 boatshows. In a word: impressive.


It has a fast processor, brilliant screen in a landscape orientation, excellent sounder options, and Radar/overlay growth potential.


The Ray black box sounder does it for me. I am curious how the Garmin blackbox sounder compares or if anybody has any opinions on it.


I like garmin stuff, but I would go to a good marine electronics store and check out the user interface and software in a side by side situation. You should read up, and price it out before you go. Beware of salesman: use the information they give, but don't be lead around out of ignorance or you'll wind up choosing the better comission for the salesman.

I think you need to do more research. I would suspect that your limitations/requirements should surround:

1) charting performance
2) Ease of use and screen visibility.
3) Cartography and software
4) sounder performance ***** (transducer options??)
5) upgrade capabilities
6) Cost.

TG_190

Moe posted 03-22-2004 11:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
I'd also agree with a real-world side-by-side comparion.

However, to prepare for that comparison, I'd suggest you download the Owner's Manual for each and become familiar with their operation.

Just reading these manuals may give you an idea of which would work best for you.

The manual for the C series is at:

http://www.raymarine.com/raymarine/SubmittedFiles/Handbooks/Navigation/81221_2.pdf

The manual for the 2010 is on Garmin's website, but I've been having a lot of trouble getting to it for the past couple of days and can't give you a direct URL to it.

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Moe

TG_190 posted 03-22-2004 02:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     
I saw the C120 at 2 boatshows. In a word: impressive.


It has a fast processor, brilliant screen in a landscape orientation, excellent sounder options, and Radar/overlay growth potential.


The Ray black box sounder does it for me. I am curious how the Garmin blackbox sounder compares or if anybody has any opinions on it.


I like garmin stuff, but I would go to a good marine electronics store and check out the user interface and software in a side by side situation. You should read up, and price it out before you go. Beware of salesman: use the information they give, but don't be lead around out of ignorance or you'll wind up choosing the better comission for the salesman.

I think you need to do more research. I would suspect that your limitations/requirements should surround:

1) charting performance
2) Ease of use and screen visibility.
3) Cartography and software
4) sounder performance ***** (transducer options??)
5) upgrade capabilities
6) Cost.

TG_190

Moe posted 03-22-2004 04:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
The URL for the 2010C manual is:

http://www.garmin.com/manuals/41_OwnersManual.pdf

The URL for the GSD 20 finder add-on is:

http://www.garmin.com/manuals/111_GSD20withGarminChartplotters.pdf

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Moe

TG_190 posted 03-22-2004 06:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     
I don't know why my post went up 2x. wierd especially because of the time difference.

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