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WT posted 03-17-2004 11:11 AM ET (US)
Has anyone installed a livewell/bait tank in their 170 Montauk yet?
Should I get a Kodiak or Aquaworld tank?
Should I have it mounted in the front or back of the boat?
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
WT
ghefty posted 03-17-2004 01:41 PM ET (US)
I installed the aquaworld UT-13 with a transom mounted pump. My wife says it's the best thing I've added to the boat. It sits on the deck over the sump. I was going to mount a strap or rig a base to keep it from moving but it's weight keeps it in place. The drain uses a 2.5' piece of hose that just hangs over the transom, and the supply is connected using a garden hose type fitting that allows me to unscrew the hose and remove the tank. When I do this I make sure that the supply line is tucked into the splashwell as it does pick up water at high speeds, even with the pump turned off. I just realized that I haven't taken any pictures of it yet. I'll try to remedy that this weekend, once I do I'll post them on www.caico.com\170
RJM posted 03-17-2004 07:25 PM ET (US)
ghefty, I like the way you have setup your boat! I will be looking forward to the pictures of the bait tank setup.
samwhaler posted 03-17-2004 08:42 PM ET (US)
WT, I have a 20 gallons tank. You can connect the wires through plug and keep the battery inside the consol.
http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/u_gonuts/detail?.dir=/b310&.dnm=16be.jpg
http://www.fishing-boating.com/livewellsystems/
Sam
mojipa posted 03-17-2004 10:04 PM ET (US)
Sam, I saw the picture of your Montauk fitting inside your garage. Do you happen to know the total length of your boat with the karavan trailer? The reason I ask is that I am wondering if I will be able to park my 170 in my garage. I am picking it up in a few weeks and am curious about storing it in my garage.
Thanks,
Jim
cape_rover posted 03-18-2004 06:10 AM ET (US)
Sam,
How much does your tank weights when full of water (e.g. how many gallons does it hold)? Does the boat ride better or worse when the tank is full of water?
divefan posted 03-18-2004 03:51 PM ET (US)
ghefty:
I checked out your site and photos. I would like to ask you how you fabricated the RPS storage.
Thanks.
divefan
Moe posted 03-18-2004 04:07 PM ET (US)
divefan, check this out:
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/000989.html
--
Moe
divefan posted 03-18-2004 06:00 PM ET (US)
Moe:
Thanks for the thread. Maybe you can help me out here. I read through the instructions several times but I am missing something. I get the construction of the box underneath. But, I don't seem to understand the part about the frame on top where the lid fits into. How did that get done? All the corners are rounded as is the lid. Was that all originally one piece and the lid was cut out of it?
I live about 1/2 hour from prospect plastics. If I can ever figure this out I can have them take all the measurements that are here and fabricate it all so all I have to do is cut and paste.
samwhaler posted 03-18-2004 09:28 PM ET (US)
Jim M, congrats on your boat, you will love it. The length on the trailer with the swing tongue backed and engine tilted down is 20 feet. With some maneuvering to a more diagonal position, it fits like a glove in a standard 20 ft garage.
Cape, it is a 20 gallons tank. The weight full of water is about 200 lb. I don’t need to screw it to the floor; I just place it on a non skit mat, and use bungee cords. The tank circulates the water with no need for hoses drain etc. I think the boat ride is better with it full. But then again I am mostly trolling.
Divefan, my 04 model does not come with any cover to reach under the RPS as I see in the pictures. The base of my seat, with the cushion off, is a one piece molded fiberglass, no cover. George, is the 03 model different?
Sam
Moe posted 03-18-2004 11:01 PM ET (US)
divefan, George will have to give you the details of the top. All I know about it is where the original thread was. From what I'm hearing, the '04 RPS doesn't have that "lid" that removes to access anything underneath.
--
Moe
AQUANUT posted 03-19-2004 02:34 AM ET (US)
Hey Sam,
question,,,why didn't ya install extra battery in center console? I have dual battery set up in my console with selector switch and still carry..7 ski vest,and a large firstaid/emergency kit...I did remove the worthless map/bag storage on the inside of door.
this way I backcharge my batteries from the charging system on my outboards..
incidently, fyi...the voltmeter on the 170's dash shows the voltage of the battery..not the output of engines charging system.
divefan posted 03-19-2004 04:03 PM ET (US)
Moe:
Confirmed that. Just came from looking a 170 '03 leftover at the dealer. '03 had a flush removeable piece of starboard. The '04's do not. Mine is a one piece molded fiberglass unit. I guess that was what was throwing me. Ok, now I get it.
samwhaler posted 03-19-2004 05:41 PM ET (US)
Aquanut, I like the idea of removing the map pocket from inside of the door, I should try that. The fishing tackle drawers and the fire extinguisher already kill the space inside the consol. As for the battery; I’ll most probably install another battery inside the consol, with a switch. It will take me some time to get over drilling all these holes in that pretty gelcoat!! As I am thinking of installing a plug aft the consol and plug in to the bait tank pump, or a trolling motor if I decide at one point to install a bow mount one., any ideas?
Divefan, thanks for confirming that the 03 seat is different from the 04 one. I don’t know why BW changed it? The idea of being able to reach the fuel tanks from above sounds good to me.
Sam
ghefty posted 03-19-2004 06:40 PM ET (US)
Divefan, I saw another thread in this group several months ago where the owner glassed in a piece of marine plywood as the floor of the storage compartment. I think that route provides more usable space beneath the seat. With the '04 model I would: 1) Cut the top of the RPS for the access port and add a moulding to finish the edge, 2) Mount the seat cushion on a piece of starboard to form the lid 3) make a cardboard pattern for the interior of the RPS, and cut a piece of marine grade plywood to fit as the floor and glass it in place above the fuel tank.
divefan posted 03-19-2004 11:55 PM ET (US)
ghefty:
Yup thanks for the idea. I guess this would be the only way to do it with the'04 model.
Wonder why they changed the seat from the '03 model too? Good question to ask in stuart in a few weeks.
mojipa posted 03-20-2004 10:40 PM ET (US)
Sam
Thanks for the reply. I feel good knowing that with 20 feet,I should be able to get my boat in the garage.
Jim
WT posted 03-21-2004 12:17 AM ET (US)
Ghefty:
Does your Aquaworld UT13 have enough clearance so that you can still trim your outboard all the way up?
Dying to see you pictures.
WT
ghefty posted 03-22-2004 10:39 AM ET (US)
I've posted pictures of my livewell installation. I have the UT-13 with a transom mounted pump, power is supplied from the helm via a switched circuit. The supply hose has a garden type connection and the drain hose simply lays and drains over the transom the unit takes about 10 seconds to remove. The motor does trim all the way up with the tank in place. One concern I had when I installed the livewell was battery drain, I didn't want to worry about loosing track of time and end up with a dead battery. So, I also installed a 2nd battery and a switch. I installed the switch such that I can operate it from the helm, not buried inside of the console, it's installed in a box flush mounted on the rear of the console. I ordered the box from SSI, they make the tackle center BW is installing on the '04 170's.
livewell: http://www.caico.com/170/slides/2%20aft_deck.html
battery switch: http://www.caico.com/170/slides/3%20battery_switch_in_SSI_box.html
console: http://www.caico.com/170/slides/3%20lower_console2.html
InHerNet posted 03-22-2004 11:22 AM ET (US)
I have installed the Aquaworld UT13 sometime back and use it quite often. I do have mine installed a little different the Ghefty, my installation is turned the opposite way and does not rest or sit on the access panel to the bilge. I have also raised up the tank to allow the overflow to run freely into the splash well without overflowing the tank. I would be somewhat leery of cutting off the access to bilge. Just my two cents.
Don
WT posted 03-22-2004 11:37 AM ET (US)
ghefty:
Thanks for the pics I like the setup. My BW dealer is going to install one for me and I will show him your pictures. Do you have any regrets of not getting a larger unit like the UT 17 or UT 27?

InHerNet:
I guess as long as the UT 13 is not permently mounted to the deck, you can slide it out of the way to get to the bilge. Do you have any regrets of not getting a larger unit like the UT 17 or UT 27?

WT
ghefty posted 03-22-2004 11:44 AM ET (US)
Don, you have a valid point. I've thought several times about the impact of keeping the tank sitting on the deck covering the sump. Small amounts of water do drain rapidly, I regularly use a 5 gal bucket to rinse the blood & guts offshore. But the tank covering the sump could have a very negative effect if I took a wave over the bow. I'm thinking that if I raised the tank 1/2" it would allow enough flow beneath the tank to let the bilge pump do it's job. Any opinions?
WT posted 03-22-2004 11:52 AM ET (US)
InHerNet:
How did you raise the unit? Any pictures?
Thnaks,
WT
Moe posted 03-22-2004 11:55 AM ET (US)
I agree, George. I like the center location of the tank for balance purposes. Some wide 1/2" king starboard feet on the bottom of the tank, or on the cockpit sole and bilge cover, would probably be a good idea.
Calculate the area of the slots in the bilge cover, and provide at least that much area for water to get under the tank.
Beautiful setup on the tank and switch.
--
Moe
InHerNet posted 03-22-2004 12:04 PM ET (US)
WT- No! the size is very adequate for the size of boat. I have filled it with whitebait, crabs, and shrimp, and alike numerous times and they seem to stay lively for hours on hours. The circulation and self-cleaning features of the tank make this one of the best I have had. The transom mounted pump picks up water while running from spot to spot. I do recommend raising the tank! I tried the tank out first resting it on deck and the water overflowed the top of the tank because the overflow tube is higher than the outlet. Your comment on the bilge cover should be looked at closely due to a couple of items I have found, one the tank overflowing and secondly securing the tank while underway. The tank can be installed with quick disconnect pads. The pads are secured into the deck and the tank is bolted to the pads. Good luck on your setup.
Don
ghefty posted 03-22-2004 12:04 PM ET (US)
WT, Bigger is always better. But my concern was weight, since I have the Pate 27 as well. So, with full fuel & livewell it's like having another large passenger in the rear. I am comfortable with the size of the UT-13. On the days when I fish the patch reefs I usually take 6-8 dozen shrimp. I've taken 3 dozen baits in the 3-5" category (thread herring, spanish sardines, small pilchards) smaller quantities of cigar minnows, pinfish, and small ballyhoos. The tank does reach its limits when you get into the larger baits like mullet & horse ballyhoo where only a few can crowd the tank, but so far I'm happy with it's size for my type of fishing.
InHerNet posted 03-22-2004 12:41 PM ET (US)
Here is some pictures of the tank.
http:\\www.autodealers.net\images\tanktop.jpg
http:\\www.autodealers.net\images\overflow.jpg
http:\\www.autodealers.net\images\pump.jpg

Don
InHerNet posted 03-22-2004 12:43 PM ET (US)
Sorry try this link.
www.autodealers.net\images\tanktop.jpg
www.autodealers.net\images\overflow.jpg
www.autodealers.net\images\pump.jpg
InHerNet posted 03-22-2004 12:52 PM ET (US)
The tank is raised 1-5/8" above the deck with 4 angles.
Don
ghefty posted 03-25-2004 02:57 PM ET (US)
Just thought I'd pass this along for anyone who may be looking for a livewell. I was browsing the West Marine at Powerline & Copans in Ft Lauderdale. They have a markdown area where they sell their discontinued and returned items. They have several Kodiak livewells in various sizes, two Oblong-17 galon units that are marked 149.99, the guy said "they take up a lot of room" (the bargan center is a small room in the back of the store) and that he would be willing to "make a deal" to get them out of there.
No, I don't work for West Marine.

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Author	Topic: Livewell/Bait tank for 170 Montauk
WT	posted 03-17-2004 11:11 AM ET (US) Has anyone installed a livewell/bait tank in their 170 Montauk yet? Should I get a Kodiak or Aquaworld tank? Should I have it mounted in the front or back of the boat? Any suggestions would be appreciated. WT
ghefty	posted 03-17-2004 01:41 PM ET (US) I installed the aquaworld UT-13 with a transom mounted pump. My wife says it's the best thing I've added to the boat. It sits on the deck over the sump. I was going to mount a strap or rig a base to keep it from moving but it's weight keeps it in place. The drain uses a 2.5' piece of hose that just hangs over the transom, and the supply is connected using a garden hose type fitting that allows me to unscrew the hose and remove the tank. When I do this I make sure that the supply line is tucked into the splashwell as it does pick up water at high speeds, even with the pump turned off. I just realized that I haven't taken any pictures of it yet. I'll try to remedy that this weekend, once I do I'll post them on www.caico.com\170
RJM	posted 03-17-2004 07:25 PM ET (US) ghefty, I like the way you have setup your boat! I will be looking forward to the pictures of the bait tank setup.
samwhaler	posted 03-17-2004 08:42 PM ET (US) WT, I have a 20 gallons tank. You can connect the wires through plug and keep the battery inside the consol. http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/u_gonuts/detail?.dir=/b310&.dnm=16be.jpg http://www.fishing-boating.com/livewellsystems/ Sam
mojipa	posted 03-17-2004 10:04 PM ET (US) Sam, I saw the picture of your Montauk fitting inside your garage. Do you happen to know the total length of your boat with the karavan trailer? The reason I ask is that I am wondering if I will be able to park my 170 in my garage. I am picking it up in a few weeks and am curious about storing it in my garage. Thanks, Jim
cape_rover	posted 03-18-2004 06:10 AM ET (US) Sam, How much does your tank weights when full of water (e.g. how many gallons does it hold)? Does the boat ride better or worse when the tank is full of water?
divefan	posted 03-18-2004 03:51 PM ET (US) ghefty: I checked out your site and photos. I would like to ask you how you fabricated the RPS storage. Thanks. divefan
Moe	posted 03-18-2004 04:07 PM ET (US) divefan, check this out: http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/000989.html -- Moe
divefan	posted 03-18-2004 06:00 PM ET (US) Moe: Thanks for the thread. Maybe you can help me out here. I read through the instructions several times but I am missing something. I get the construction of the box underneath. But, I don't seem to understand the part about the frame on top where the lid fits into. How did that get done? All the corners are rounded as is the lid. Was that all originally one piece and the lid was cut out of it? I live about 1/2 hour from prospect plastics. If I can ever figure this out I can have them take all the measurements that are here and fabricate it all so all I have to do is cut and paste.
samwhaler	posted 03-18-2004 09:28 PM ET (US) Jim M, congrats on your boat, you will love it. The length on the trailer with the swing tongue backed and engine tilted down is 20 feet. With some maneuvering to a more diagonal position, it fits like a glove in a standard 20 ft garage. Cape, it is a 20 gallons tank. The weight full of water is about 200 lb. I don’t need to screw it to the floor; I just place it on a non skit mat, and use bungee cords. The tank circulates the water with no need for hoses drain etc. I think the boat ride is better with it full. But then again I am mostly trolling. Divefan, my 04 model does not come with any cover to reach under the RPS as I see in the pictures. The base of my seat, with the cushion off, is a one piece molded fiberglass, no cover. George, is the 03 model different? Sam
Moe	posted 03-18-2004 11:01 PM ET (US) divefan, George will have to give you the details of the top. All I know about it is where the original thread was. From what I'm hearing, the '04 RPS doesn't have that "lid" that removes to access anything underneath. -- Moe
AQUANUT	posted 03-19-2004 02:34 AM ET (US) Hey Sam, question,,,why didn't ya install extra battery in center console? I have dual battery set up in my console with selector switch and still carry..7 ski vest,and a large firstaid/emergency kit...I did remove the worthless map/bag storage on the inside of door. this way I backcharge my batteries from the charging system on my outboards.. incidently, fyi...the voltmeter on the 170's dash shows the voltage of the battery..not the output of engines charging system.
divefan	posted 03-19-2004 04:03 PM ET (US) Moe: Confirmed that. Just came from looking a 170 '03 leftover at the dealer. '03 had a flush removeable piece of starboard. The '04's do not. Mine is a one piece molded fiberglass unit. I guess that was what was throwing me. Ok, now I get it.
samwhaler	posted 03-19-2004 05:41 PM ET (US) Aquanut, I like the idea of removing the map pocket from inside of the door, I should try that. The fishing tackle drawers and the fire extinguisher already kill the space inside the consol. As for the battery; I’ll most probably install another battery inside the consol, with a switch. It will take me some time to get over drilling all these holes in that pretty gelcoat!! As I am thinking of installing a plug aft the consol and plug in to the bait tank pump, or a trolling motor if I decide at one point to install a bow mount one., any ideas? Divefan, thanks for confirming that the 03 seat is different from the 04 one. I don’t know why BW changed it? The idea of being able to reach the fuel tanks from above sounds good to me. Sam
ghefty	posted 03-19-2004 06:40 PM ET (US) Divefan, I saw another thread in this group several months ago where the owner glassed in a piece of marine plywood as the floor of the storage compartment. I think that route provides more usable space beneath the seat. With the '04 model I would: 1) Cut the top of the RPS for the access port and add a moulding to finish the edge, 2) Mount the seat cushion on a piece of starboard to form the lid 3) make a cardboard pattern for the interior of the RPS, and cut a piece of marine grade plywood to fit as the floor and glass it in place above the fuel tank.
divefan	posted 03-19-2004 11:55 PM ET (US) ghefty: Yup thanks for the idea. I guess this would be the only way to do it with the'04 model. Wonder why they changed the seat from the '03 model too? Good question to ask in stuart in a few weeks.
mojipa	posted 03-20-2004 10:40 PM ET (US) Sam Thanks for the reply. I feel good knowing that with 20 feet,I should be able to get my boat in the garage. Jim
WT	posted 03-21-2004 12:17 AM ET (US) Ghefty: Does your Aquaworld UT13 have enough clearance so that you can still trim your outboard all the way up? Dying to see you pictures. WT
ghefty	posted 03-22-2004 10:39 AM ET (US) I've posted pictures of my livewell installation. I have the UT-13 with a transom mounted pump, power is supplied from the helm via a switched circuit. The supply hose has a garden type connection and the drain hose simply lays and drains over the transom the unit takes about 10 seconds to remove. The motor does trim all the way up with the tank in place. One concern I had when I installed the livewell was battery drain, I didn't want to worry about loosing track of time and end up with a dead battery. So, I also installed a 2nd battery and a switch. I installed the switch such that I can operate it from the helm, not buried inside of the console, it's installed in a box flush mounted on the rear of the console. I ordered the box from SSI, they make the tackle center BW is installing on the '04 170's. livewell: http://www.caico.com/170/slides/2%20aft_deck.html battery switch: http://www.caico.com/170/slides/3%20battery_switch_in_SSI_box.html console: http://www.caico.com/170/slides/3%20lower_console2.html
InHerNet	posted 03-22-2004 11:22 AM ET (US) I have installed the Aquaworld UT13 sometime back and use it quite often. I do have mine installed a little different the Ghefty, my installation is turned the opposite way and does not rest or sit on the access panel to the bilge. I have also raised up the tank to allow the overflow to run freely into the splash well without overflowing the tank. I would be somewhat leery of cutting off the access to bilge. Just my two cents. Don
WT	posted 03-22-2004 11:37 AM ET (US) ghefty: Thanks for the pics I like the setup. My BW dealer is going to install one for me and I will show him your pictures. Do you have any regrets of not getting a larger unit like the UT 17 or UT 27? InHerNet: I guess as long as the UT 13 is not permently mounted to the deck, you can slide it out of the way to get to the bilge. Do you have any regrets of not getting a larger unit like the UT 17 or UT 27? WT
ghefty	posted 03-22-2004 11:44 AM ET (US) Don, you have a valid point. I've thought several times about the impact of keeping the tank sitting on the deck covering the sump. Small amounts of water do drain rapidly, I regularly use a 5 gal bucket to rinse the blood & guts offshore. But the tank covering the sump could have a very negative effect if I took a wave over the bow. I'm thinking that if I raised the tank 1/2" it would allow enough flow beneath the tank to let the bilge pump do it's job. Any opinions?
WT	posted 03-22-2004 11:52 AM ET (US) InHerNet: How did you raise the unit? Any pictures? Thnaks, WT
Moe	posted 03-22-2004 11:55 AM ET (US) I agree, George. I like the center location of the tank for balance purposes. Some wide 1/2" king starboard feet on the bottom of the tank, or on the cockpit sole and bilge cover, would probably be a good idea. Calculate the area of the slots in the bilge cover, and provide at least that much area for water to get under the tank. Beautiful setup on the tank and switch. -- Moe
InHerNet	posted 03-22-2004 12:04 PM ET (US) WT- No! the size is very adequate for the size of boat. I have filled it with whitebait, crabs, and shrimp, and alike numerous times and they seem to stay lively for hours on hours. The circulation and self-cleaning features of the tank make this one of the best I have had. The transom mounted pump picks up water while running from spot to spot. I do recommend raising the tank! I tried the tank out first resting it on deck and the water overflowed the top of the tank because the overflow tube is higher than the outlet. Your comment on the bilge cover should be looked at closely due to a couple of items I have found, one the tank overflowing and secondly securing the tank while underway. The tank can be installed with quick disconnect pads. The pads are secured into the deck and the tank is bolted to the pads. Good luck on your setup. Don
ghefty	posted 03-22-2004 12:04 PM ET (US) WT, Bigger is always better. But my concern was weight, since I have the Pate 27 as well. So, with full fuel & livewell it's like having another large passenger in the rear. I am comfortable with the size of the UT-13. On the days when I fish the patch reefs I usually take 6-8 dozen shrimp. I've taken 3 dozen baits in the 3-5" category (thread herring, spanish sardines, small pilchards) smaller quantities of cigar minnows, pinfish, and small ballyhoos. The tank does reach its limits when you get into the larger baits like mullet & horse ballyhoo where only a few can crowd the tank, but so far I'm happy with it's size for my type of fishing.
InHerNet	posted 03-22-2004 12:41 PM ET (US) Here is some pictures of the tank. http:\\www.autodealers.net\images\tanktop.jpg http:\\www.autodealers.net\images\overflow.jpg http:\\www.autodealers.net\images\pump.jpg Don
InHerNet	posted 03-22-2004 12:43 PM ET (US) Sorry try this link. www.autodealers.net\images\tanktop.jpg www.autodealers.net\images\overflow.jpg www.autodealers.net\images\pump.jpg
InHerNet	posted 03-22-2004 12:52 PM ET (US) The tank is raised 1-5/8" above the deck with 4 angles. Don
ghefty	posted 03-25-2004 02:57 PM ET (US) Just thought I'd pass this along for anyone who may be looking for a livewell. I was browsing the West Marine at Powerline & Copans in Ft Lauderdale. They have a markdown area where they sell their discontinued and returned items. They have several Kodiak livewells in various sizes, two Oblong-17 galon units that are marked 149.99, the guy said "they take up a lot of room" (the bargan center is a small room in the back of the store) and that he would be willing to "make a deal" to get them out of there. No, I don't work for West Marine.