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19' Legend vs 22' Dauntless vs 21' Outrage
|Author||Topic: 19' Legend vs 22' Dauntless vs 21' Outrage|
posted 03-19-2004 07:17 AM ET (US)
Just wrapping up my deal on a 190 Nantucket and living on the Long Island Sound (waters can get rough at times), I'm wondering if I should bite the bullet and go to a BW the next size up.
My questions are:
Which series is better for rougher water (legend, dauntless or outrage)?
Is there a noticable difference between a 19 vs 21 vs 22 as far as boat size?Seems that many non BW boat dealers in my area suggest nothing smaller than 20' for our sound.
Between the 190 Nantucket, the 220 Dauntless and the 210 Outrage, what boat would be preferred (if money wasn't an object - nice to dream). I was originally going to trail the boat but I have now decided to dock it at a marina. I will bring along the Mrs. and 1 youngster on the boat.
Trying to understand why BW has designed these different 'series' and which one will fit my needs most. Any thouhts on that would be appreciated.
posted 03-19-2004 10:25 AM ET (US)
If money wasn't an issue and your not going to trailer the boat, then obviously your best choice would the 21 Outrage just because its the best boat of the three. However, for the LI Sound, the 190 Nantucket will suit you just fine unless you plan on going out during a few Noreasters. I have taken my 170 out in the sound on many occassions and the boat has handled the Sound just fine. Usually when the Sound kicks up (due North or Northeast winds) or you get a strong wind against tide, you will probably feel a similar effect in each of the three boats you mentioned. In terms of space for your family, again either of the three will suit you just fine. If money is not an issue, I'd get the Outrage just in case you ever want to fish the North Fork area, but I'm sure you will be happy with Nantucket.
posted 03-19-2004 11:17 AM ET (US)
If the wife sees the enclosed head and the big bench seat on the 220, your decision will have been made for you.
You can remove the aft port seat on a 190 and replace it with a Porta-Potti. There's room for a Porta-Potti on the deck just aft of the bow locker on the 210. But in both these cases, the user needs to wear a poncho before dropping their drawers.
posted 03-19-2004 07:15 PM ET (US)
I agree that the 19 will be fine for most days, on most parts of the LI sound. It is not clear where on the sound you are thinking of going. Towards the east it becomes more like being in the open ocean. If you live on the north shore of LI for example, you may find plenty of enjoyment in one of the large deep water harbors on the rougher days on the sound. If you want to go out regularly on rougher days than a 23' deep vee would be my preferred minimum size (from personal experience) for comfort. I now have a 220 Dauntless and spend most of my time on relatively tame lakes (worse I will see would be 25 knot wind gusts producing 2 to 2.5' waves). So I have never really tested it on truly sound like conditions. I would feel safe on it out on the sound (except for the very worse hurricane like days), it is just a question of how dry the center console would be for all riders compared to some other layouts. On the lakes the high wind that accompanies the wave action is principally what drives the spray onto the boat. So the rear seat bench riders can expect a little spray under those conditions.
posted 03-19-2004 08:34 PM ET (US)
Long Island sound is a pretty big place and you haven't specified what your intended use is going to be but the Outrage is a boat that really is geared towards fishing in open water. The Nantucket and the Dauntless are not as well equipped to do open water fishing. The Dauntless is geared more towards Lake/Bass or bay/flats fishing.
The 22 Dauntless does have a head in the CC which could be a big plus.
The Dauntless series has really evolved from only 2 boats that where not much more than V hulled versions of the 13' and 15' boats. I'd classify the Nantucket as a cross between a Montauk and an Outrage. More amenities than a Montauk but lacking some of the important features of an Outrage. The Nantucket is a simpler boat than the Outrage and there is something to be said for that.
The Outrage also has the best pylon setup for water skiing.
My money would go to the Outrage, considering where you will be using the boat. Especially, if you will travel around Montauk Point.
posted 03-25-2004 08:36 PM ET (US)
New to this Place, Hello everyone. Just purchased my first Boston Whaler...19 Nantucket after owning a Proline ..old 85 version for a long time...As I said new to Boston Whalers...but I was so impressed by this boat I just went and bought it...:) with a 115 2 carb because of the planing quickness of this engine....FRom those of you with experiance, what else should I know about this beautiful puppy?...was going to get the 21 Out...but Id have to sell my kid:)....Ill be using it in the Potomac River 15 natical miles west of the Ches. Bay...ANy insight would be helpful...also...things you may want to advise me to add....thanks in advance..."THE YIDDIL"
posted 03-26-2004 08:37 AM ET (US)
Congrats on your new boat. Mine is coming too, although I chose the 4 stroke. TG190 is a great resource on the Nantucket, as he has fished it for a year now.
Some good reading for you:
posted 03-26-2004 08:39 AM ET (US)
posted 03-26-2004 04:06 PM ET (US)
I currently own an Outrage 210 with a 175 Optimax. I chose this boat because I frequently fish the Atlantic and the Florida Bay. I like the Outrage over the Dauntless due to the deeper entry and the deeper freeboard as I also have children on board.
I think the Outrage is roomier than the Nantucket 2' longer and 6" wider plus it has a great layout for fishing. It is also the most solid 21 footer I have ever been on. Of course there is a large price difference between the 210 and the Nantucket but for my use it was well worth it.
posted 03-27-2004 12:15 AM ET (US)
See the Trips and Rendezvous fourm for info on Annapolis RDVZ. We need a Nantucket so we can finally compare the new Nantucket to a classic 18' Outrage. Welcome to the forum.
posted 03-27-2004 08:10 AM ET (US)
Yiddil, where will you be running out of? I'm usually running my Dauntless out of Pohick Bay, VA side of the Potomac just south of Mount Vernon. I'd love to check out your Nantucket!
posted 03-27-2004 11:23 AM ET (US)
Thnaks for your replys...great to be here...
were am I gonna run her....I will be at St. Clements Island in the Potomac...rivers 5 miles wide down there and uncongested...SUre KAmie, I will...:)
posted 03-27-2004 11:49 AM ET (US)
I am just south of you Marlin, right on the other side of Mason Neck Park on the Occoquan.
posted 03-27-2004 03:24 PM ET (US)
HI, Im running out of Patricks Creek, maryland side, right behind St. Clements Island....is that close to you...are we gonna raft up one day...NOmini Bay or something:))Cliffs??
posted 03-27-2004 07:57 PM ET (US)
Kamie, I'll keep an eye out for you. You have an 18' Outrage, right? Weather and work have kept me out of the water so far, but I hope to get my boat wet soon. -Bob
posted 03-27-2004 10:21 PM ET (US)
bob, 18' Outrage with a t-top. Currently she has no name on her. I was only out for an hour late this afternoon, but it was great.
Yiddil, You are about 60 - 70 miles down stream from Bob or I. Nanjemoy creek would be about the half way point.
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