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fno posted 03-21-2004 09:31 AM ET (US)   Profile for fno   Send Email to fno  
Anybody got an opinion of what works better for anchor line. Need to buy some 1/2" line.
Moe posted 03-21-2004 12:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
3-strand has more stretch than braided and is less likely to pull the anchor or a cleat out. I also prefer 1/2" for handling, but really need even less than 3/8" for strength. However, that's tough on the hands. 7/16" is a decent compromise and lets you get more line (scope) in the same storage space.

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jimh posted 03-21-2004 01:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Is choice of anchor line affected by the year in which a Boston Whaler boat is designed?
Moe posted 03-21-2004 01:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Only to self-admitted irrational, inconsistent, egomanical forum-NAZI control freeks
Clark Roberts posted 03-21-2004 05:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for Clark Roberts  Send Email to Clark Roberts     
I prefer 3 strand line simply because of the ease of splicing and the good hand grip, even with wet line. happy Whalin'./.. Clark.. Spruce Creek Navy
jimh posted 03-21-2004 06:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Ah, Moe, checking my profile, I see.

I asked that question because there was recently a long discussion on this topic in the GENERAL forum, so I was curious if that information would be useful here.

The 3-strand twist is more of a "classic" rope to use as an anchor rode.

See:

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/006730.html for some guidance on this topic.

Moe posted 03-21-2004 10:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Jim, my point was the absurdity of having anchor line discussions in "Classic Whaler: General" for vintage boat owners, and "Whaler: Post Classics" for modern boat owners.

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Moe

jimh posted 03-23-2004 12:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Moe--Actually I thought I was making the point of the absurdity of having the discussion of anchor rode choice bifurcated by boat hull model year. I guess was making it in too subtle a fashion.
fno posted 03-23-2004 07:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for fno  Send Email to fno     
Jim the boat is 2 weeks old. Atleast from the dealers lot. It's a 2004 model 210 Outrage. 2700# plus motor, gas , beer, me, etc. I'm gonna go with 7/16" r 1/2" braided.
jimh posted 03-23-2004 09:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Back to rope--

As an anchor rode you want some stretch in the line, so nylon is the choice. Double-braided line is usually more expensive. As for how it treats your hands, I wear gloves.

I keep a pair of heavy rubber gloves (Bluettes brand) in the anchor locker. If you are a saltwater boater, I would think that gloves would be a must.

Three-strand twist line will lay nicely in coils. A really stretchy nylon double-braided line can be so limp it is actually harder to stow.

Moe posted 03-23-2004 11:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Actually I thought I was making the point of the absurdity of having the discussion of anchor rode choice bifurcated by boat hull model year.

Jim, I was agreeing with that absurdity, which is result of division of classic vs post-classic boats, as well as having no forum for topics that the two have in common.

By the rules, there is no "general" forum on this website, but in reality, "Classic Whaler: General" is just that. It's where you, and many of us, speak of football games, economics, "buy American," what hats and raingear are best, and oh by the way, Whaler boats designed prior to 1991. "Classic Whalers and General Topics" would be a more accurate name for how you and most of us use it. Or maybe "General Topics and Classic Whalers."

I think most of us got the message in your sarcastic response that you believed the Post-Classic owner should've appended his question about anchor lines to the one in the Classic Whaler: General.

But is Classic Whaler: General a more appropriate place for discussion of lines used on a Post-Classic? Your rule clearly states:

For all articles related to Boston Whaler boats first designed and produced after c.1990, except articles related to buying or selling individual boats which should be posted to the Marketplace forum. This forum is intended to localize all articles related to post-classic Boston Whaler boats, their repair, their performance, etc.

In the exceptions above, in addition to Marketplace, you need to add Trips and Rendezvous, and OEM sources.

fno was just trying to follow the rules.

As I previously pointed out, the "Classic Whaler" tag in front of Cetecea is inaccurate and misleading since there are a number of topics of Post-Classics.

Some Classic owners don't read the Post-Classic forum, so I'd guess that there are Post-Classic owners who don't read the Classic forum. According to the rules, Post-Classics is where anchor lines on Post-Classics should be discussed.

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Moe


Gep posted 03-23-2004 01:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Gep  Send Email to Gep     
Jimh,
You spelled "freaks" wrong. :)
jimh posted 03-23-2004 07:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Moe--I think you should run the forum. You know a lot more about it than I do.
Moe posted 03-23-2004 09:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
You sure, Jim?

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Barney posted 03-23-2004 09:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barney  Send Email to Barney     
You guys are freaking me out.
Moe posted 03-24-2004 12:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Can't leave a broken link here.

Sal A posted 03-24-2004 05:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this...

What rides better in 1-2 feet chop, as well as 12-14 feet swells, a new 150 sport or a 1987 27 outrage cuddy?

fno posted 03-24-2004 08:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for fno  Send Email to fno     
Moe, give it a rest will ya? I used the classic section because it gets the most readership and my subject did not infringe on the liberal rules of the site. Jim is being sarcastic because I am sarcastic. Plus he probably still has snow on his boat. (just kidding,but it would make me crazy) Anyhow, I read Chapman's today and they recommend for a 15'-25' the 3/8" line. I was planning on 1/2" but not anymore. Probably more 3/8" or 7/16" for me.
Moe posted 03-24-2004 09:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
fno, the classic section may get more readership, but that isn't the section you used.

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Moe

Perry posted 03-24-2004 12:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
Moe brings up a good point. What if you have a question regarding anchor line, your trailor, gelcoat repair or hull cleaning?

These questions along with many others, have little to do whith when the boat was designed and if you want to elicit the response of a larger audiance, the Classic Whaler: General is the best place to post. But according to the guidelines, it is against the rules.

What to do?

fno posted 03-24-2004 02:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for fno  Send Email to fno     
Moe, it warms my heart knowing that someone is looking out for my mistakes. To those who limited themselves, thanks for all the informative answers. I'm out of here, got some diving and fishing to do in Key Largo. Hope the weather cooperates.
jimh posted 03-25-2004 08:02 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
In case I wasn't clear, I vote for 3-strand, on price.
phatwhaler posted 03-25-2004 03:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for phatwhaler  Send Email to phatwhaler     
fno,

On my Whaler, which is fairly similiar to yours (1996 19' Outrage), I have 250 feet of 1/2" spliced to another 250 feet of 3/8". The 3/8" is tied to the boat inside the anchor well. I agree with jimh and CR that 3 strand is the choice for cost, ease of splicing, and good grip. It also stretches which gives a little when it's rough out.
Here are some more thoughts:
1. Do yourself a favor and buy some of the coated anchor chain so you don't scratch up your bow.
2. Put an appropriate sized swivel between the chain and the end of your anchor line.
3. "Safety wire" all of your shackles, especially since you'll be diving . (Ty -wraps work pretty good)
4. Get yourself a "lunch hook" a small anchor with maybe 50 Feet of 3/8" line for stern anchoring etc...
5. Don't waste your money on an aluminum anchor. Get a quality galvanized steel anchor that will actually grab the bottom. Others here may disagree on that one but it's my preference.
6. I also have a 25 foot piece of 3/8" spliced to a snap shackle that I use to "verify" my anchorage when I'm diving. If possible I snap the shackle to the anchor and tie off to something on the bottom, like the wreck I'm on etc.. I don't usually leave anyone in the boat.

This is a little more info than you asked for but hopefully it helps.

phatwhaler out.

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