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Sal A posted 03-28-2004 08:04 AM ET (US)   Profile for Sal A   Send Email to Sal A  
I am new at creating web pages; I hope this works:

http://hometown.aol.com/sarnuk/SalsWhaler.html

Ventura16 posted 03-28-2004 09:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for Ventura16  Send Email to Ventura16     
Looks great, Sal! When does she hit the water? I'm really curious to know what you think of the performance of the 115 4-stroke. Please keep us posted how it does after the break-in period. Sweet looking boat!

Tom

jimh posted 03-28-2004 09:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Very nice presentation on your web page!

When does the boat go in the water? Soon I hope. I am certain many will be interested to hear of the 190 NANTUCKET model's performance.

It will be curious to see how close your boat comes to the curves shown in the Reference article:

Performance Data for a 19-foot Boston Whaler With a Variety of Engines
http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/190Nantucket.html

Sal A posted 03-28-2004 10:02 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
Thanks for the encouragement guys.

I ordered a Mills forward shelter which will arrive at the dealer perhaps by Friday. I think launch is scheduled for two weeks from yesterday. I went overboard at Westmarine with fenders, so when I take pictures next she should be dressed up a bit, and also should have her name on the side in two tone grey and navy vinyl decals.

On the helm, the VHF antenna is a 3 foot steel shakespeare digital antenna (you can't really see in the picture) installed on the console starboard grab rail; it folds down towards the floor when not underway, and yet still fits under the bimini top while underway. With my young children the stainless steel seemed the way to go.

I will eagerly report on the "little engine that could." I also ordered a black max prop to compare with the stainless that is standard with the motor.

Again thanks Jimh, Moe, TG190 and everyone who so generously added their experiences and thoughts to my decision process.

Yours,
Sal

AllanR posted 03-28-2004 10:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for AllanR  Send Email to AllanR     
Sal

Its a great looking boat. I think that the Nantucket is the best hull for the money that BW makes today, comparable to the "classic" 18 Outrage. I am sure that you will have a great experience with the boat. I would go for one too, but I just couldn't fit it into my garage.

I just have a question for you. I notice the swim ladder is on the starboard side. Is there any reason for that side compared to the port side? Also, is there provision on the transom for a kicker if you wanted one?

Good luck with the boat.

Moe posted 03-28-2004 11:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Congratulations, Sal! She's beautiful!

I see the tops of the swivel seats in one picture. Would like to see some more of those, and from different angles, when you get the time. You're doing well on your first website.

Man, you have enough room left on that dash for an LCD TV to watch NASCAR races or ball games on when out on the water! LOL!

Enjoy!
--
Moe

kamie posted 03-28-2004 01:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
Very Nice Sal. I am most envious of the neat clean wiring. Can't wait until you get her in the water. As moe said, take that camera and go over every inch of her.
Knot at Work posted 03-28-2004 02:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for Knot at Work  Send Email to Knot at Work     
Sal ,

Beauty!!!!

Have fun with her.

Sal A posted 03-28-2004 02:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
Again thanks everyone; I will report back on the performance.

AllanR.. I will find the answer re: kicker, and why the swimladder is on the starboard side. It was placed there on my 03 Ventura as well....

Kamie.... I was neglectful by not congratulating you on your 18 Outrage. You won't be envious of anything once you work out the minor kink or two with your boat :) It is timeless. Go git 'im!

erik selis posted 03-28-2004 03:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for erik selis  Send Email to erik selis     
Great looking boat Sal! Beautiful.
I too am looking forward to the performance results of the 115 4-stroke.
Congratulations and safe boating.

Erik

kamie posted 03-28-2004 04:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
only enviuos of the wiring Sal. Take a look at pitures of the rats nest in my console and you'll understand why.

Congrats on finally getting your Nantucket home. I look forward to hearing about how she rides and all the fun you'll have. When I was out yesterday I crused past several great blue herons, at least one cormorant pair and possibly an osprey pair working on a nest all without them even noticing and I wasn't 10 miles at most from my slip. Once I get the engine worked out it's going to be great.

Yiddil posted 03-28-2004 08:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
HI all, SAL, SHe Gorgeous...Im the new guy but....Ordered one last week...also in Blue trim and Bimini.....Took a road trip to show the other half the boat today.She thought it was grand:))SAl, question...whats a Mills FOrward Shelter????stear me in the right direction...from who...I probably wont get mine for a couple of weeks...

sHES gORGEOUS!!!! uSE HER WELL!..........Im renaming mine "DAS BOAT" after the movie...we always say were always going to "THE BOAT" hehe

Kamie, congrates on yours too...Looked great!!!

Sal A posted 03-28-2004 08:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
Hey Yiddil....

A forward shelter (some people call it a bow dodger) is a little canvas fitted pup-tent thingy that is fastened to the front of the bow. It is sunbrella or canvas ususally, with a plastic/nylon window up front. Biggest reason to get it? Kids. They typically like a place to get out of the sun a bit and just putter. Having one on a center console boat is a nice alternative to a walkaround style boat in the summer.

http://ww2.millscanvas.com/pictures/images/Shelter%2050-1604-00%20pic%20d.jpg

Yiddil posted 03-28-2004 11:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
Wow! Sal!! Thats toooo Cool:) I LOve your Boat!!!

Now...does Whaler sell it? Should I get covers for CC and Lean Seting from them ...or does someone else sell it on the cheap...weres the best match???? Thanks:)

Sal A posted 03-29-2004 05:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
Whaler does sell a leaning post cover and console cover. It comes in grey and I doubt it those two items are cheaper from the dealer than Mills.

Mills:

forward shelter $850ish
console cover including
front cooler $280ish
leaning post cover $120ish


Most definitely a loccal canvas place will make these cheaper. I was quoted nearly half for the above three items. Its a long story, but I chose the Mills route.

Good luck Yiddil

InHerNet posted 03-29-2004 09:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for InHerNet  Send Email to InHerNet     
Sal - Nice pictures and web-site. I wish I had that much room in my console! Have fun on the water in a few weeks and let us know how she rides.
Don
Sal A posted 03-29-2004 11:49 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
Whoops. In the interest of being factually correct:

As Per Mills:

Forward shelter with SSframe and boot: $870
Center Console cover (fits over cooler too) $304
Leaning Post cover (not to the floor) $117

Sal

kline posted 03-29-2004 12:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for kline  Send Email to kline     
Sal,
Great pictures. I also have a new Nantucket but have not had it in the water yet, she is still under the cover. I am anxious to hear how your performance goes. I debated the engines and went with the 135, I may have been smarter to get the 115.
I also opted for the seats instead of the leaning post (or should I say my wife and 2 daughters did).
Good luck with her!
Steve
Barney posted 03-29-2004 07:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barney  Send Email to Barney     
Nice Sal, good to see those pictures. Jim
Yiddil posted 03-29-2004 07:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
Sal, were did you mount the Garmin 188??? On top of the CC? or flush on the CC????Thinking about getting one...How come external ENtena??? Havnt a clue on the GPS...Never had one....only fish finderand depth finder...Ya can email me at Yiddil@comcast.net tomchat more...if you like:)

Im defenatly in need of covers...and possibly the Bow cover...but if it come to one or the other the bow cover can wait and Ill get the GARMIN:)

Sal A posted 03-29-2004 08:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
Hi Yiddil,

I mounted the Garmin 188 flush in the console right above the steering wheel, and below the compass. The VHF is mounted flush in the console to the right... A $fy stainless steel shakespeare antenna is mounted on the starboard console grab rail at "the V" ; it can fold down to the floor out of the way when not in use.

Regarding internal vs external antenna for the garmin 188.... some have the internal, and it is simple and accurate. The unit then would have to be mounted on a bracket on top of the console however. If you do get the external antenna, some say it will yield better "reception", and I do not know if this is true. PS my external garmin antenna is mounted on top of the console on the starboard side.

Cheers.

Sal A posted 03-29-2004 08:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
On my web page see the first picture in the second row.
jimh posted 03-30-2004 09:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I want to echo Moe's observation about the amount of space available on that instrument panel for flush mounting of electronics. It helps me understand what otherwise is an incomprehensible fascination of others for $5,000 color GPS Chart Plotters on small boats. :-)

You could also use that space to hold a nicely folded paper chart under a piece of plexiglass--a lower cost navigation aid you might say.

By all means, please show us the installation of the Mills Forward Shelter. The addition of this weather protection system will really make your 190 NANTUCKET into a boat more useful in a variety of weather.

And many thanks for composing the web page and slide show, and also for providing a hyperlink to them. This makes it very easy for everyone to see what is being discussed just by visiting your web page, which can also be viewed simultaneously with this message thread just by opening the pictures in a separate window on your browser.

Sal A posted 03-30-2004 09:16 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
jimh,

I also went to Staples with my paper chart of Barnegat Bay and made 4 sheets, each of them laminated. I 'hole punched' them, tied with nylon, and plan on 'velcro-ing' the last one onto the console. I don't want to be in a position of relying solely on the GPS. I like the print ad for Ritchie Compasses : " We won't let you down".

But then again... in Barnegat Bay if I ever become disabled I can walk the boat home. Cough.

TG_190 posted 03-30-2004 11:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     
Sal,

Will that forward shelter be able to tie into the bimini with a wrap-around windshield/shelter for the helm? I see pictures floating around on the Mills site with this arrangement on a montauk and a Nantucket now. Does that forward shelter have a door facing the stern side, making it a complete enclosure? How does working the anchor work with that thing installed?

Will this work with the stock bimini (Windshield connector?), and if so what is the component and total cost of the solution?

If you don't know I'll call Mills myself.

BTW, be aware that firmware updates for the 188 are frequently available off of the Garmin sight for bug fixes and feature additions/enhancements. I have flashed mine twice in a year.

TG_190

Sal A posted 03-30-2004 11:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
TG,

While the factory bimini is quality, Mills has told me that the advantage of ordering theirs is that you have the option for future windshield connectors, etc. IE the Boston Whaler factory bimini will not integrate with wraparound enclosures. The Mills forward shelter is best described as a very well-secured pup-tent, where the back is completely open. The front of the enclosure is a clear plastic window. You would need to unzip the window I believe to anchor. The forward shelter is more of a kiddy cuddy in my eyes, and I will use it when we are cruising with the kids (not fishing).

IMHO owners of 190 Nantuckets would do well to orer the whole shebang from Mills to preserve the integration option down the road. As for me if I have all the free time to fish and cruise in weather that requires the various bad weather shelters, then my business is.....teetering. And I have bigger problems.

Sal A posted 04-09-2004 12:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
I have updated my website to include some pictures of the Mills Forward Shelter, should any of you have interest in what it looks like.

http://hometown.aol.com/sarnuk/SalsWhaler.html

Jimm posted 04-09-2004 01:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jimm    
Sal, very nice boat. From your photos it appears to be at OB marina (formerly Pelican). How did they treat you?
Sal A posted 04-09-2004 03:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
Jimm,

They treated me very well. There had been some turnover since I originally inked the deal, yet the new manager, Mark Daffner, has made everything better than square.

The deal was swell, and the treatment was respectful. It was not like that at all the dealerships I have frequented. From trade-in, to advice, to custom requests, and a door to door delivery, I would wish my experience on others.

Thanks for the complement on the boat. I am taking a few days off next week to play Captain Ahab ;)

captreils posted 04-09-2004 05:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for captreils  Send Email to captreils     
WOW, you sure didn't waste any time. Those pictures were taken this morning. If you look closly in the picture of the starboard side of your boat, you can see me in the background. I installed the dodger and the electronics. Everything went together real well. The dodger was a good choice, I have one on my 16'7, the best thing since sliced bread.
Pete
Sal A posted 04-09-2004 06:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
LOL!

Pete, I can't wait! Looking forward to shake your hand...

Sal

AQUANUT posted 04-10-2004 08:21 AM ET (US)     Profile for AQUANUT  Send Email to AQUANUT     
hey sal....
very nice boat....
few questions....just unpackaged a new nan-tucket..it seems they are a bit tough to get all the way out here on the west coast.....I work at a b/w dearlership..hehehe..anyway...the one I have in my bay has a 115 optimax...although I am familar with the motor quite well,,,wondering how a 115 performs on the nan......
why didn't ya opt for the 135..or the 150hp?

please advise...man o man that console sits really high...with the seats on...I see that visability is not obstructed...what about poping up on plane...does the bow lay down quick?

AQUANUT posted 04-10-2004 08:21 AM ET (US)     Profile for AQUANUT  Send Email to AQUANUT     
hey sal....
very nice boat....
few questions....just unpackaged a new nan-tucket..it seems they are a bit tough to get all the way out here on the west coast.....I work at a b/w dearlership..hehehe..anyway...the one I have in my bay has a 115 optimax...although I am familar with the motor quite well,,,wondering how a 115 performs on the nan......
why didn't ya opt for the 135..or the 150hp?

please advise...man o man that console sits really high...with the seats on...I see that visability is not obstructed...what about poping up on plane...does the bow lay down quick?

kamie posted 04-10-2004 08:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
Sal, Pete

I think that is called close encounters of a whaler kind.

Sal A posted 04-10-2004 12:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
Aquanut,

I wanted a 4 stroke, and was a little scared of the optimax name. If there were a larger horsepower 4stroke available pre-rigged I would have bit. I think in about 6 weeks we will be able to have several forum members give reports on the various engines FIRSTHAND. TG190 already gave glowing reports of his 2003 Nantucket with the 135 opti.

Boston Whaler provided our moderator with performance data on the Nantucket with several engine combinations: the 115 2stroke, 115 4stroke, 135opti, and 150opti. Based on that data, one could reasonably concluded that the 115 4 stroke was sluggish, the 135 and 150 optimax performed quite well, and the 115 2stroke gave the 135 optimax a run for the money at substantially less cost.

I was hell-bent on getting a 4stroke however, and was not convinced that performance variations could not be attributed to prop selection to some extent. I will be able to give a preliminary evaluation of my engine with a stainless prop in a week. Perhaps the aluminum black max prop might get the boat to accelarate quicker? After this summer I will decide whether I can live with the slower accelaration and top speed delivered smoothly by my 4 stroke. Maybe I might add trim tabs at that point and switch to the aluminum prop. Maybe I will throw on a Suzuki 225 4stroke (lol).

I suspect for my needs, which is family cruising and light fishing, with 2 adults (total 320lbs) and 2 or 3 kids (200lbs tops) in Barnegat Bay on fair weather days, that the 115hp 4 stroke may be a gem. I hope so.

Kamie... definitely a trip that employees and partners at my dealer tune into CW. But maybe its not all that unbelievable. Tell you what, I am glad I didnt say, "man this dealer is a crook and scares the bejesus out of me!" Had I done so I might find a nice big hole in the bottom of my boat :) . Valuable life lesson: Can't say something nice? Say nothing.

Yiddil posted 04-10-2004 10:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
Have to chime in here and say the Performance data I reviewed showd what Sal and other had determined...I have a Nantucket coming in a few weeks and will be able to tell more when i run it a bit, but based on the Performance data, the 115 2carb. did a great job and was as fast if not faster out of the whole than the larger engines and 4 strokes...Im sure it will be fine for 2 people on a aNantucket...in fair waether...Since cost was an issue and I had other priorities,,,Ie: Garmin 188c, forward cover, suncover, CC and fishing package...I opted for the 115 2 carb....Based on the Performance data...It may be the propellor that does it but in comparing the chart, I couldnt go wrong as long as the chart is correct.
Last Mango posted 04-12-2004 04:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for Last Mango  Send Email to Last Mango     
SAL,
awsome rig!I'll look for you on the bay.I run out of Beach Haven and head north quite a bit.
Steve - 2002 montauk
TG_190 posted 04-12-2004 05:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     
Sal,

The rig looks nice. I saw a Nantucket in front of McCarthy's rigged with a nice aftermarket T-Top ($3K). Looked very good with the T-Top, but the $3K didn't include the spray for it.

I like your forward shelter and electronics installation.

Send me an email and let me know when (and where) you are gonna be ready to take a run with me. Mine is already in the water.

I noticed you mention the possible addition of trim tabs. I did the legwork finding the right model for the Nantucket, so let me know when you are ready. The tabs are my favorite performance enhancing addition. You won't be disappointed, and we can do a side by side so you can see the difference before you add them.

TG_190

Sal A posted 04-12-2004 08:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
Mango and TG,

We shall jam......

Be well....

Sal A posted 04-13-2004 07:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
Oh , and TG,

I am going to wait a bit before I install tabs or foils on the advice of a few knowledgeable forum members; my tune might change at the end of the season. It seems the phsyics of the tabs and foils are such that they create lift, and in the process (or therefore) create a certain amount of drag. That might be undesirable on the lesser powered engines.

You fishing already? Stripers? Or is it too early?

TG_190 posted 04-13-2004 11:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     
Sal,


The tabs had a positive effect on a number of things:

- Cutting through chop.
- Time to plane
- lowering the planing speed for rougher water.
- effectively lengthening my hull for better wave to wave spanning ability.
- correction of listing with unbalanced loads.
- versatility in motor trim and tab trim options for any conditions.
- elimination of porpoising situations.

In a following sea, I set the tabs all the way up, and haven't had any problems in those conditions either, but tabs don't help as much in a following sea.

Hydrofoils on the engine address some of the issues, but tabs, IMO are a much better solution with many more benefits.


I wouldn't think the drag of the tabs when down is gonna bother you because the reason you will have them down in the first place is gonna dictate a lower speed condition anyway. When they are fully up, the drag should not be that much.

It is wise to see how it handles without them first in a variety of conditions, but I don't think you will loose that much performance, if any, with them.

Stripers are not in yet in my neck of the woods...soon though. I measured the ocean surface temps at 46F.


TG_190

AQUANUT posted 04-14-2004 10:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for AQUANUT  Send Email to AQUANUT     
I am one who believes in trim tabs for leveling a load.port to starboard..vice versa...

where hydrofoils are concerned...I am for the three "P"s

propeller

power {as in horsepower}

performance {properly tuned /properly maintained/properly fueled engine}

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