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msc posted 03-31-2004 09:05 AM ET (US)   Profile for msc   Send Email to msc  
Anybody buy one yet? If so, what do you think?
MassOutrage posted 03-31-2004 09:17 AM ET (US)     Profile for MassOutrage    
Have one on order to be delivered in June. Powered by twin 250 Verados. I'll let you know when I take delivery.
TRAFFICLAWYER posted 03-31-2004 10:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for TRAFFICLAWYER    
I saw one at the WPB show last lastweek with a a pair of Opti's on it and a price tag of a whopping $175,000.00. I think this boat is seriously overpriced given one can purchase an Intrepid tricked out or even a 31' Rampage with twin diesels or a SeaVee with diesel power. Why you want to drop this chunk of change on a 32' Outrage is beyond me. But thats my OP.
TRAFFICLAWYER posted 03-31-2004 10:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for TRAFFICLAWYER    
Oops, I forgot, for those bucks you could purchase a 34' or 39' Venture!
MassOutrage posted 03-31-2004 12:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for MassOutrage    
jealous, big guy?
LHG posted 03-31-2004 01:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
Comments like that we don't need.
MassOutrage posted 03-31-2004 01:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for MassOutrage    
I assume that was directed at the ambulance chaser?
LHG posted 03-31-2004 02:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
No it wasn't.
Ed Stone posted 03-31-2004 04:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ed Stone  Send Email to Ed Stone     
One magazine I read has the 320 Outrage at $143,633
and another magazine have it at $138,578.Both listed
the 320 with 250 EFI's.They also mention in the same
article that the 3070 Pursuit Offshore and the 32FS
Regulator go for $130,000 with twin 250 Yamaha EFI's.
(Boating Mag. March 2003)
Sal A posted 03-31-2004 04:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
Apparently the most highly priced ones include the pneumatic deck (ADSS I think), as well as the Verados. That is very creative and new technology; my dealer didn't seem to think many buyers would bite on that in the first year.
duckear posted 03-31-2004 05:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for duckear  Send Email to duckear     
Somebody has to be first. Hope it works out for you:)
TG_190 posted 03-31-2004 05:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     
TrafficLawyer,
I like some of your alternatives.

Actually, for my money I'd give a hard look at the 31' Cape Horn - Out the door w/ twin 250 Yami's for under 90k...And seriously overbuilt for offshore - and yes, its unsinkable.
Diesels would be nice though...


Money is probably no object to you MassOutrage, but I'd put the other 85K towards gas or a smaller whaler for inshore stuff.

Good luck with the 320 MassOutrage, and the Verado's as well. High price-tag aside, it is a sweet looking offshore boat. Did you sell or trade the 26?

TG_190

diveorfish posted 04-01-2004 06:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for diveorfish  Send Email to diveorfish     
TG_190 and Traffic: You guys confuse me. You go on about the high price of a 32 Whaler yet you both own expensive Whalers yourselves. Both the Nantucket and the 255 Conquest are very expensive relative to other boats in their respective classes. How did you justify your expensive boats and how are your situations different?


Also MassOutrage: Iím jealous ;)

TRAFFICLAWYER posted 04-01-2004 08:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for TRAFFICLAWYER    
diveorfish:

I'll respond, The 255 Conquest is an upper tier product as all Whalers are. You're correct in that it is a pricey product and given I had the boat repowered with the yamahas it became pricier. However, a 13 Whaler with a 40 hp is $10k, also pricey for a 'little' boat. The 255 is competitive with the other few boats in the class/price points, ie Pursuit, Grady White 265. On the other hand the 32 Outrage with Veradoes is CONSIDERABLY higher than a comparable 31' Contender,31' Yellowfin,31' Palmetto, 31' Jupiter,etc. Thats the difference, the 32' Outrage is so far out of line in the old bang for buck that to me it seems "Outrageous".

WHALER27CC posted 04-01-2004 09:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for WHALER27CC  Send Email to WHALER27CC     
TRAFFICLAWYER-
How about a simple and polite congratulations. I think your feathers would be ruffled if someone were to imply that you overpaid for your Conquest. Although you may be correct in some, and ONLY some of your comments, those comments are overshadowed by your negative ones.Thats how the mud-slinging starts on some of these threads, But now thats just MY OP.

MASSOUTRAGE-
I hope you enjoy that top-shelf Whaler/Verados, and I look forward to your future postings about all aspects of the boat. Congrats.
Peter

fno posted 04-02-2004 08:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for fno  Send Email to fno     
Congrats on the new boat, the waiting must be killing you. Don't let the lawyer get to you Mass. He can buy any old sinkable tub knowing that the sharks won't eat him if he goes in the water one day. Professional courtesy and all that....
msc posted 04-02-2004 08:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for msc  Send Email to msc     
Mass, what weather curtain arrangement did you order with the 320?
Sal A posted 04-02-2004 08:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
Hey Massoutrage...

http://www.motorboating.com/motorboat/features/article/0,12696,606310,00.html

Verados tested on your boat.

erik selis posted 04-02-2004 09:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for erik selis  Send Email to erik selis     
Very interesting article!

Porsche and Volkswagen have been using the multi-valve engines with variable compressors and intercoolers for at least 15 years now in some of their automobiles.

Erik

prxmid posted 04-02-2004 09:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for prxmid  Send Email to prxmid     
A great looking yellow hulled one is sitting at the dealer one block from my office. Looks like it's moving while it's sitting still.

MassOutrage posted 04-02-2004 11:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for MassOutrage    
Thanks for the support, fellas. I traded the 2001 26' in TG190. I think I got at pretty good trade. MSC, I went with whatever weather curtain set they standardly provide. I don't recall any options. Also ordered the Northstar 6000i gps/plotter with 10" screen, the Furuno Navnet 1753 radar/gps combo with the two foot open array. Spent way too much money but loved the improved hull and unsinkable aspect of a boat that will travel 70+ miles offshore. Traffic, to each his own
jimh posted 04-02-2004 01:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Sales of 320 OUTRAGE models have been rather strong from what I have heard, so--protestations about the price from bystanders to the contrary--it looks like the market has found the boat to be good value.

This ultimately is the test of any product.

I also have to observe that as a general rule there are some participants of this forum who have yet to see a deal they liked. Any mention of a price brings responses of "too much", "left money on the table", "over paid", and the like.

I look forward to hearing more from 320 OUTRAGE owners, and I welcome any of them to participate in the forum.

TG_190 posted 04-02-2004 02:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     
diveorfish,

I may have overpaid for the Nantucket relative to other 19s, but I didn't find many boats in that class that I thought were as good with that given set of compromises that the Nantucket addresses. If I were to search again today for a 19' - 20' CC I may or may not come to the same conclusion, but I am happy with the Nantucket. My desire to go to a larger CC has nothing to do with the shortcomings of the Nantucket, just my desire to go offshore. IMO, offshore (50+ miles) of NJ is no place for any single engine 19' boat. Your opinions may vary....

When entering the world of larger offshore CCs, IMO new Whalers may not be my first choices even if money were no object. I've spent a good deal of time looking at many makes and models at boat shows, reading reviews, online forums, etc., and my impressions are subjective.

I do congratulate MassOutrage, and state that I think its a sweet looking boat. I found it refreshing to hear somebody consider other boats I myself had appraised. The overlap between TrafficLawyers comparable boats, and my own independent conclusions is what prompted my reply. I didn't mean to come across like I was bashing.


Good Luck MassOutrage.

TG_190

TRAFFICLAWYER posted 04-02-2004 03:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for TRAFFICLAWYER    
I have also observed that the webmeister of this forum,beholden as he is to Boston Whaler, appears to generally resort to some form of negativism when a response is not to his liking.

I wish Whaler well with the product, however in MY opinion, I think it's too little too late to enter this marketplace, especially with this $$$$$ tag.

WHALER27CC posted 04-02-2004 05:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for WHALER27CC  Send Email to WHALER27CC     
TRAFFICLAWYER-
Arent you the pot calling the kettle black? To make a commentary about the webmaster's negativism seems to be a little bit on the negative side too.Isnt that called hypocrisy???
Wouldnt be easier for you to just admit that YOU cant afford the 32 , rather than belittle somebody who can??
The 32 , price tag and all,seems to be getting ALOT of excellent press,and Whaler is reporting strong interest/sales in it .Im no marketing major but how is that "too little, too late"???
Well, in any case, I wouldnt buy a 25 Conquest and go through and repower it with Yammies, but I guess thats makes us all different,huh?? What type of boat we buy, what we are willing to pay for it, and what we do once we once we own it, also makes us all different.

Massoutrage-
What color hull did you buy??Also what notable options did you go for????
Peter

TRAFFICLAWYER posted 04-02-2004 08:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for TRAFFICLAWYER    
Mr.Whaler27:
PUTZ!
WHALER27CC posted 04-03-2004 12:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for WHALER27CC  Send Email to WHALER27CC     
TRAFFICLAWYER-
Classy response....Its good to see that 4 years of law school gave you an excellent command of the english languageand your choice in vocabulary is also impressive .I guess you didnt like recieving a rather small dose of your own medicine, but who can blame you, nobody does.I will apologize now, as I didnt realize you were THAT sensitive.I apologize.
Hey but this forum is about Whalers, so lets have fun talking about 'em. So tell us TRAFF, what would be your Whaler of choice, if you could afford it??
jimh posted 04-03-2004 01:17 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Me a negative person? You have to be kidding. I just point out common traits in human behavior. What's negative about that.

Me beholden to Boston Whaler? Well, if they give me an 320 Outrage then you could say that. I am still waiting for my free baseball cap to replace they one that blew off on my 320 Outrage test ride. I am down $14 on this 320 Outrage deal already.

As for the boat, don't forget where you saw it first, where you heard about it first... http://continuouswave.com/whaler/cetacea/cetaceaPage69.html

Now it is not a practical boat for me--too big to trailer and no place to sleep overnight.

As for price, the Grady-White boats are in the $235,000 range, so what's expensive.

I'll tell you this, I bet Boston Whaler sells everyone of them they make.

Boats in this size range are more of a prestige item for the maker. If you think about it, nine 170 MONTAUKS--which they can build in a day--sell for as much or more than one 320 OUTRAGE. And I bet it takes more than a day to build one of these boats. So from a bottom line point, it probably is not a giant profit maker.

But it does add prestige to make a big boat, an $180,000 boat, and sell it into a highly competitive market with success. I think it makes everyone feel good, too.

Maybe a lawyer could make more profit knocking out boilerplate wills for $1,000 a crack ten times a day, but he is not going to build a reputation on just that. You gotta sue IBM for a billion dollars once in a while to get a rep' going.

Knot at Work posted 04-03-2004 06:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for Knot at Work  Send Email to Knot at Work     
Jimh, sorry your in so deep on the 320 already... (ROFL)

As a longtime listner, long time poster, I take my free shot at GM by commenting that my truck knocks and wheezes just pulling my beloved Montauk, can't imagine a big old hunk o Man-Candy like a 320, or hell even a 18 Dauntless being tied to my hitch!

I would like to comment on your comment about the one a day Montauk's, Please remember ROME was not built in a day. in other words you post classic mongers... Jimh means that it may take a day to actually Manufacture a Montauk, it actually took years (1970 right?) to develop it.

MassOutrage posted 04-03-2004 08:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for MassOutrage    
Whaler27CC, I went with the white hull with red graphics. The only notable options I went for is the stainless steel anchor and outriggers. I did not want the suspension deck, seems unneccessary and a potential repair hassle. Looked at getting the 275 Verados but the marinas I use do not have the higher octane fuel they need. Hoping the boat is delivered on time!
TRAFFICLAWYER posted 04-03-2004 09:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for TRAFFICLAWYER    
Whaler27

"if you could afford it??"

duh? PUTZ!


ANSWER: Whaler of Choice would be a 31' CABO, 31' RAMPAGE,
32' INTREPID, 34' VENTURE.

p.s. I CAN afford it.

Sal A posted 04-03-2004 10:04 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this...

What rides better in 1-2 feet chop, as well as 12-14 feet swells, a new 150 sport or a 1987 27 outrage cuddy?


WHALER27CC posted 04-03-2004 02:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for WHALER27CC  Send Email to WHALER27CC     
Sal-
Why the 150 Sport of course!!! The sport will also get MUCH better gas #s too!!I think I have seen pics of your boat on the THT, right??? If it was then its a NICE one!!

MASSOUTRAGE-
Man that sounds SO sweet!! I think you are going to be better off without the 275 Verados, I think any motor that is so sensitve to needing high octane gas , is a motor that is going to be maybe too sensitive to other things too....I was sort of hoping you wnet with the A.D.S., so I could hear about what it was like, but again, I think your reasoning for not getting it , is right on the money!!!I hope you take lotsa of pics for us all to see!!!

Traff-
You continue to amaze me with your word usage.Dont be so defensive about NOT being able to afford it...Keep your nose to the grindstone counselor, you be able afford it in due time...Rampages, Ventures and,Intrepids are not bad , good call, even if they arent Whalers

Sal A posted 04-03-2004 03:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
Monst

You make me laugh... I admit. I was trying to add comic relief and maybe derail the whoedown at the OK Corral! LOL.

Anyways you make sure and let me know when you sell your boat. :)

Sal A posted 04-03-2004 03:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
Sorry That is showdown at the OK Corral.
msc posted 04-03-2004 06:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for msc  Send Email to msc     
Well, I started this thread and I guess I'll finish it. Congrats on your purchase Mass...can't wait to read your comments once you break it in. Jimh..I'm going to be curious about actual sale numbers versus "tire kickers". This thread and my other one regarding perception are my way of dealing with my changing thoughts concerning Whaler. I am a 25 year whaler owner but they are losing me or my transition to more of a fisherman and less of a boater is having a significant affect on my perception of what is my ideal boat. It's not about money...I'll probably spend as much as $225,000.00 or more on my next boat..it's about utility. I have asked this question before and I'll close with it...who are they listening to?
TRAFFICLAWYER posted 04-04-2004 10:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for TRAFFICLAWYER    
"...who are they listening to?"

msc: My close, Short shrift, the beat of their own drummer.

kenv posted 04-05-2004 11:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for kenv  Send Email to kenv     
I read this post kinda quick so if I missed something, sorry. I posted awhile back that my dad had purchased a 320 at the Austin TX boat show. I believe he had the first one Texas to get wet. He's been out a couple of times. I've driven the boat once for a quick electronics go over. 7 inch Raymarine Radar/Chart/Sonar combo, WAAS GPS display. The boat is awesome. It steers better and rides nicer than the 2001 Outrage 26 that he traded. Yes, it is big, it is heavy but we were seeing approx 49 mph with 150 +- gallons of gas with the Opti 250 XS's. As for Traffic Lawyer's comment on the price, you will see a fairly large range of price on this boat. It is quite a big jump from the 225's to the 250's, and remember, the suspension floor is approximately $12,000 to upgrade to. (He did not get the moving floor). The options alone can move the price 15 to 20 grand in either direction. He did very well with the "Boat show price" and the Dealers "Repeat customer discount" - quite less then TrafficLaywers quoted price. 5 years warranty on the Opti's not 3 - boat show special through Mercury. Also, just because he calls a boat over-priced, don't make the assumption that he can't afford one. This is just a message board. He could be 15 years old or your neighbor with the hidden Microsoft stock!!! Don't jump the gun. Lot's of people have lots of ways to buy boats of all prices. Also, Traffic, if you drive this boat with the OPTI's or the the Verados, my guess is, you would not want the two boats you mentioned with the diesels. It is such a great overall outboard package. The hull is solid white with the red stripes, same as MassOutrage's order. Black curtains and console covers. The steering is just sweet and smooth. Takes hard hits ALOT better than the 26. The 250's are just a hair louder at 35 - 40 mph then the 2001 200 Opti's on the 26 - but who cares, your smile is so big you don't notice the engines anyway. Due to scheduling and other projects, we have not fished the boat yet. JimH is correct, this is not a boat you want to trailer around. We have it lifted under cover for access at the coast. (Dealer's F350 dually crew pulled it just fine for 170 miles) My F250 Stroke single wheel would have been a little tail heavy. It's a shame that he doesn't get to tow it like a smaller boat - because the trailer looks REALLY cool!!! Triple Axle Techsun aluminum. If anyone has any questions, please let me know. In a few more weekends, we'll be out again with the fishing lines wet with big grins.

Later,

Ken

TRAFFICLAWYER posted 04-06-2004 02:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for TRAFFICLAWYER    
Sounds nice, have an enjoyable summer!

p.s. I'd rather take the diesels.

kenv posted 04-06-2004 04:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for kenv  Send Email to kenv     
Thanks Traffic. Yeah, there are pros and cons to both applications. I love the smell of diesel though!!!
RonB posted 04-06-2004 05:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for RonB  Send Email to RonB     
Hmmmm...diesel, especially on a hot day with long heavy ground swells and a five gallon bucket of bunker chum. Reminds me of party boat fishing elbow to elbow out of Sheepshead Bay, NY on a hot August afternoon. Barf!
Sal A posted 04-06-2004 05:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
Ronb I know that feeling too!.

More recently party boat flounder fishing out of Point Pleasant, with a rolling boat, a warm bucket minnow, eel, and fish juice cocktail.

kenv posted 04-06-2004 05:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for kenv  Send Email to kenv     
Hey Ron, I'm talking about "Clean" Diesel exhaust if there is such a thing, like the smell coming out of a PowerStroke on a Superduty. This has that distint smell. Alot of people love the smell. On the other hand, yes your're right, big waves, heat, fumes, smelly bait on a party boat Texas style - that's one for the memory banks. It's so refreshing to have the outboards back there.
WHALER27CC posted 04-06-2004 10:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for WHALER27CC  Send Email to WHALER27CC     

Trafficlawyer = Diesel fuel....Yup I see the connection now!!!

Kenv-
That sounds like one sweeeeeeet settup!!! I hope you are gonna post some pics for us all to salivate over!!! I hear even the fish love the 32 so much they gladly jump into to it, no rods needed!!!Enjoy , and find a way to post pics SOON!!!
Peter

RonB posted 04-06-2004 11:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for RonB  Send Email to RonB     
Kenv,

Make sure you get us some pics, I can only imagine the feeling of standing at the helm of that big Outrage and opening her up! Despite what a lot of folks feel about the Opti's,I love the throaty sound my little 135 makes when I give her the whip.

Sal - You crack me up! How about Tog fishing off Shrewbury Rocks with Green Crabs and cutting a dead green crab in half with a scissors only to have dead crab juice propel itself into the corner of your mouth while inhaling diesel and loosing your stomach on a big roller. That required a walk away from the stern and a long glance at the horizon while performing deep breathing exercises. LOL!

Ron

ptortora posted 05-18-2004 11:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for ptortora  Send Email to ptortora     
Good luck with the new purchase MassOutrage... Noticed you ordered it with Verado's. I have a 240 on order with a single 250 Verado to take delivery in June. If you're looking for some video clips shot by Mercury on the Verado, visit http://www.tmedia.com/verado/

They are pretty informative even though they are part of Mercury's media campaign for the product. You'll need a Flash Plugin in your browser (which most Browsers already have). If you don't have it, the site will automatically route you to the free download page.

Good luck!

ptortora posted 05-18-2004 11:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for ptortora  Send Email to ptortora     
Forgot to mention that you should have a cable or dsl connection to view videos.

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