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|Author||Topic: 1996 Rage|
posted 04-18-2004 09:14 AM ET (US)
What's the scoop on the jet boats. Hulls ,115hp turbo jet motors and any complications? Fresh or saltwater use.
posted 04-18-2004 05:18 PM ET (US)
They suck! literally, I had a 1995 Whaler, 115 OMC, Get a classic with an outboard!
posted 04-19-2004 01:28 PM ET (US)
The Rages get an unfair bad rap here by some (previous poster being one). I had a 1995 14' with the 90 Omc.The jet is essentially a standard Outboard powerhead mounted on top of a jet pump. The hulls are similar in design to the Dauntless hulls of the same years. The pros to the Rage is that it is safe compared to a outboard with a prop, they have higher gunnels, lots of storage,have lots of interior space for people, very stable, and are a blast in the same way a Jet-ski is. The cons are, they tend not to do too well in shallow water as they can pick up debris, and can jam the impeller, they tend to be loud, not as fuel efficient, and lastly parts for the pumps are harder to come by.A Rage in good shape can be a fun boat with alot of applications.Good luck.
posted 04-19-2004 05:33 PM ET (US)
You forgot to mention that as part of the 'bad rap' the 115 is obsolete and parts are no longer available, this direct from a Whaler dealer.
posted 04-19-2004 06:33 PM ET (US)
TRAFF- Read my post again...I did say that parts are hard to come by, you must have missed that part. I hate to correct you, but aftermarket parts ARE available. I dont agree with you on the 115 being "obsolete", but then again I dont agree with you on much, so...
posted 04-19-2004 10:46 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the info people. Where can you get parts?
What about salt water use?
posted 04-20-2004 08:10 AM ET (US)
Parts for the powerhead are available at any OMC parts dealer (Bombardier). Parts for the jet pump , are as I said harder to come by, but there is an outfit in Ca. that sells them,just do a Google search for "OMC Jetpump", they will show up.As for saltwater use, yes it can be used in saltwater, BUT, I would highly recommend that you flush the unit after each use , so that the salt doesnt build up in the cooling system. There is a hose adapter that plugs into the jet pump.
In my opinion, Rages, both in hull and engine design might, be better suited for freshwater use.
posted 04-21-2004 03:09 AM ET (US)
I have had my 95 since new, never had a major problem since I learned that when the over heat alarm goes off shut down the engine imediatly then clean intake then run for 20 second at a time every couple of minutes to cool with fresh water.
Love the boat if you know what you want out of it. Do not run in shallows unless wide open. You can run in 8" inches at 28mph but dont suck a weed! 24" to 36" at idle dont suck a weed. Get the idea dont suck a weed! Make sure it has a filter on the water intake. Easy after maket ad on go get any sea strainer and put it in line of intake mount it high in engine compartment and when you take the boat out of the water leave it runninig for 15 to 20 count and it is winterized except for sta-bil in fuel system.
As far as parts its an OMC outboard and they are plenty full in that vintage (lots of parts at any decent marine shop) as far as the pump goes you can still buy new and rebuilt pumps for about $1000 bucks check turbojet.com if that not it do a search on this side and you will find.
Best jet boat out there if you are comparing with the same vintage jet boats from seado and sea ray because it is a whaler hull.
When Im on Lake Erie jumping 6' breakers and the Montauks dont come out and the Coast gard says I can't follow you I say only in my Whaler Rage. But I will save that story for another day.
|BOB KEMMLER JR||
posted 04-21-2004 10:07 AM ET (US)
Hey Mike you mount that swim platform i sent you yet?
posted 10-31-2004 10:00 PM ET (US)
I LOVE MY 1995 14 RAGE. IT HAS THE 115HP JET, GREAT ENGINE. I'VE NEVER HAD ANY PROBLEMS WITH IT AT ALL. I'VE TALK WITH LOCAL SHOP'S IN MY AREA (OGDEN,UTAH). THEY ALL TELL ME THEY HAVE PARTS OR CAN GET ANY PART FOR THE JET DRIVE. THEY ALL WILL SERVICE ENGINE/JET. ALSO IN IDAHO THEY RUN LOTS OF JET DRIVES, THEY ALSO TOLD ME THERE JUST STANDARD PARTS FOR ANYTHING I NEED.
I ALSO OWN A 13FT (2000) SPORT- GREAT BOAT FOR FISHING. BUT MY JET BOAT RUNS CIRCLE'S AROUND IT. MY KIDS & WIFE LOVE THE JET BOAT, THEY SAY THE 13 SPORT IS TO SLOW. MY JET BOAT TOPS OUT AT 41 MPH, PRETTY GOOD.
posted 11-01-2004 12:51 PM ET (US)
After my 115Hp powerhead comes back from the mechanic (having it rebuilt since it's been chewing on a ring and hammered a bunch of dents in the top of one piston), I'll let you know how much I love my 1996 15' Rage. I bought mine knowing it required major engine work. With all my projects around the house, my wife demanded I drop the engine off at the mechanic. "yes dear"...
Based on my one outing in my Rage, it won't replace my 15' Sport with a 70Hp OMC, but if everyone liked one particular boat, the world would be a pretty dull place.
Looking forward to enjoying my rage as much as some seem to like their's.
posted 11-01-2004 05:37 PM ET (US)
Hope all goes well for you with the rebuild,keep us informed of your progress.Reguards Ron J
posted 11-03-2004 12:56 PM ET (US)
Dropped the engine off yesterday, watched while the mechanic pulled both heads off. WOW what a difference in the look of the other 3 pistons versus the 4th piston. The other 3 were lightly brown coated, no heavy carbon buildup anywhere. The mechanic looked at the 4th, and indicated it may have been running lean prior to snapping off part of the ring and ingesting it.
After opening up my engine, the mechanic went back to working on pulling the powerhead off the 50HP evinrude he had been working on. It was in for a rebuild after the owner neglected to recognize the engine not running quite right. The bowl of one of the carbs was crusty with varnish, which caused one cylinder to run lean at high speed. He indicated many of the engines he receives for rebuilds could have been spared the expense if the owner had recognized the need to rebuild the carbs. Leaving the engine with one cylinder running lean causes bad things to happen in a 2-stroke engine. To quote the mechanic: "People just treat these things like their lawn mower...".
My block has one seriously deep score in the cylinder wall on the bad cylinder. Roughly 1/4" wide and fairly deep, the mechanic said he'd finish disassembling the block, and send it to the machine shop to see whether they could overbore it, or whether it needed to be sleeved. I quizzed him about going straight to a short block and paying the core charge since my core was probably beyond repair. He said the sleeve was a better route unless additional internals in the engine were toast.
posted 11-04-2004 01:39 PM ET (US)
Well,what you were told is the cause for a lean cylinder being burnt. Have your carbs rebuilt also. Most likely a sleve with a new piston the same size as the other 3 cylinders is the best/least money route to take,but if the other cylinders have a little wear in them,then a overbore on each with 4 new larger pistons is best.
OMC V-4's have cooling jet nozzels in the block that control the flow of water around the cylinders in the 2 banks.They are subject to corrosion, and should be replaced in they are.Otherwise the water flow around cylinders in the banks suffer and you get hot spots on the cylinders.
Sounds like a good plan so far.
posted 11-16-2004 11:02 PM ET (US)
Machine shop was successful at boring the defective cylinder 0.030" and removing the gouge that was in it. They also honed the other 3 cylinders so that all can get new rings and have them seat properly.
Mechanic threw together a rough parts list for me to approve. Included on the list is a pair of carb kits to rebuild the carbs and avoid having this problem occur again right after I start break-in. One thing that was not on his list was a replacement head, so I need to ask him about that. He seemed convinced when he removed it that the original head was trash. He may simply have forgotten to note that in his rough parts/price list.
I'll remind him about the head, have him add 3 rubber engine mounts (while the engine is out anyway!) and have him order carb kits for my 70Hp Johnson on the 15' Sport while he's got my checkbook open. I'm enjoying the fact that the engine is progressing while I accomplish other things around the house... Now if I could find an honest and reasonably priced handyman to work on my house while I go water skiing... :)
posted 11-17-2004 11:27 AM ET (US)
had the 92, 15 foot with omc 115 hp. just in my opinion, here in south florida. very few shops willing to work on boat. parts were at a premium, and boat always needed something. it was loud, sucked in every piece of debris, and left me stranded more times than i would like to remember, (thank-you boat u.s.)
probably for the same price, you could find a 15 foot classic, with older outboard, and replace outboard, (more money) but, have a hull forever, that you could always upgrade power unit.
posted 11-18-2004 06:33 PM ET (US)
Which part wasn't available anymore for the 115Hp Turbojet? The base gasket between the adapter plate and the exhaust plate was $6.00. The rubber engine mounts were $42 each and available. The rubber U hose for the exhaust was available (mine was wearing a new one when I bought the boat). The thermostats were stock 115 parts off the shelf and available locally.
I suspect part of the "part availability" problem is the fact that Whaler dealers are automatically Mercury dealers these days. They'd be happier seeing a 175Hp SportJet...
Maybe the folks at www.turbojetmarineproducts.com will tell me what I shouldn't break. They seem to be the guys with all the spare parts for the pumps...
posted 11-18-2004 06:50 PM ET (US)
Speaking of the Turbojet, I got to see my block, and the disintegrating piston today. Talk about a ticking time bomb! Improper fuel mixture (lubrication) does nasty things to 2-stroke engines... I'll have to have the mechanic save the piston just for the beauty of it. (so I can post some photos) The chips and scores out of the piston run down the side skirt in addition to having chunks missing between the crown and the first ring! I am amazed the engine didn't grenade when the ring broke and got sucked through the intake port.
The irony is that the problem with my engine most likely started with the fuel system, and not the *gasp* cooling system, or the jet pump. Technically, this could have happened to the 70Hp on my 15' Sport. I've been known to operate it even when one cylinder was not running "top notch". It also starts to explain why some engines tend to fail shortly after the owner complains of it "not running right". If the carbs seem to be acting up, don't spray carb cleaner down the throat, have them rebuilt. The kits for the TurboJet carbs were $19/each. I can't fill the fuel tank for $38 anymore!! (can't even fill the tow vehicle for $38 some days).
posted 11-18-2004 07:56 PM ET (US)
Glad to hear things are going well,keep us informed of your progress.Thanks for the reports,Ron.
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