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Yiddil posted 04-27-2004 12:07 AM ET (US)   Profile for Yiddil   Send Email to Yiddil  
Like to hear from all you old time whalers with experience. What are the major differences or similarities [between the Boston Whaler 190 Nantucket model and the 180 Dauntless model]? Do they run pretty much the same. Hull wise? Reason I'm askin. Compared the floor plans and statistics. They seem to be very similar. Also pricing seems to be more for the 180 Dauntless. Are they made differently? Does one cost more to make? Hulls?

Seems [their] weights are about the same. Beam are very similar. Please give me your feelings. Thanks in advance.

TG_190 posted 04-27-2004 11:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     
I own a 190 Nantucket, but have never been out on a 180 Dauntless, so I can't give you a real comparison.

I would be happy to answer any questions you might have regarding the Nantucket. A lot of history is already there, so searching might help.

Based on my impression, the Nantucket seems to have a more prominent bow and possibly a sharper entry. It draws 12-inches of water and is very good in rough water. I have tabs on mine and I almost exclusively use it in the ocean. The deadrise at the transom is 16 degrees.

I think the freeboard on the Dauntless is less, and it may have some more amenities as mentioned. The transom on the 180 Dauntless also wastes more space IMO.

Regards,

TG_190

Yiddil posted 04-27-2004 11:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
I also noticed that the 180 Dauntless is more expensive as well. That puzzles me. Maybe the Nantucket has a special package that is just priced [lower] but it seems they are so similar yet the costs. Saw a 180 Dauntless w/135-HP Optimax invoice that was like $43,000! Eye poping dollars! And compared the the 190 Nantucket that is eye popin'! Can't understand why, didn't even include a trailer. Best I could tell.

I'm not changing my mind, I'm totally happy with the Nantucket purchase. Just wondering why the difference. Based on what you've all said, there really isn't much difference between the two.

bsmotril posted 04-27-2004 11:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for bsmotril  Send Email to bsmotril     
The Dauntless has a much more complex molded interior with more hatches, storage nooks, etc. That makes it more expensive to manufacture and assemble. The Nantucket is less complex (no inner molded hull liner) and is part of BW's value line of boats that get back to the simplicity and lower cost of the original line of Whalers, IE Montauk. BillS
ptortora posted 04-27-2004 09:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for ptortora  Send Email to ptortora     
TG_190,

I was wondering what tabs you use on the Nantucket. I've had mine for 2 weeks now and love it (although I will say it is my first boat and I don't have a whole lot of experience with other boats to compare it to). I do get bounced a bit on rough days 2-3 foot chop. I was wondering if the tabs will help with that or do I just need to get a bit more experience.

Lars Simonsen posted 04-27-2004 10:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for Lars Simonsen  Send Email to Lars Simonsen     
My impression (not based on anything other than my personal experience with the Dauntless, and comments from owners of the Nantucket) is that the Nantucket has a deeper V and would probably be a smoother running hull in choppy water. I own a Dauntless 18, and although it has a high bow and fairly sharp V at the bow, it tapers to a pretty flat hull at the stern. The Dauntless has a tendency to ride high in the bow, so the waves slam into the flatter bottom. Trim tabs help this a lot.

I really like my Dauntless, but I would seriously consider a Nantucket as my next boat.

TG_190 posted 04-27-2004 10:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     
ptortora,

I have Lencos and I love them. It allows you to keep the bow down in that kind of chop and ride more comfortably.
I have posted on other threads re: trim tabs what I think about them.

If those are your typical conditions, I might spring for them sooner rather than later. Common wisdom is to get a good feel for the boat first then make a more informed decision. I guarantee though that you will love them. Some other things that could help are: shimming the engine so it trims down more, or lowering it one position. I can't speak to these suggestions on the Nantucket, as I wanted tabs based on earlier experience with other boats.

Shoot me an emails if you need more specific info.

Regards,

TG_190

erik selis posted 04-27-2004 07:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for erik selis  Send Email to erik selis     
The 180 Dauntless and the 190 Nantucket are indeed very similar boats. IMO the Dauntless is more of a family or fun boat mainly due to the seating in the back. It also has more storage room and basically has less room for fishing than the Nantucket. The console of the Nantucket is bit higher and seems to have a bit more room for built-in electronics.

I also have the impression that the 180 Dauntless is a bit more stern heavy than the 190 Nantucket. Both boats require more time-to-plane when using the minimum rated hp (115) than i.e. a Classic 18-foot Outrage.

Both boats handle very well when trimmed correctly and with the right engine and prop choice they are extremely fun boats to drive.

I haven't had the opportunity to take out the 190 Nantucket in rough conditions but have heard from owners that she handles great in rough conditions. Maybe better than the 180 Dauntless.

Others will probably be able to give more info on the construction differences.

Erik

jimh posted 04-28-2004 09:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
If you give the boats more than a cursory look you will see some options on the 180 Dauntless that can add to its price that are not available on the 190 Nantucket. For example, Trim Tabs are available on the Dauntless, but not on the Nantucket.

Also, some equipment is standard on the Dauntless and optional on the Nantucket. For example, the Dauntless price includes a swim platform as standard equipment. This obviously has to add to the price of the Dauntless.

I am sure that if you compared everything that is different between the two boats you would find more evidence for the higher price that is seen on the Dauntless. I don't believe that there is anything fundamentally special about either boat's manufacturing costs that allows one to be priced radically differently than would be expected. There may have been more attention paid to labor costs required to build the Nantucket in order that its price could be more competitive with other 19-foot boats. This seems to be a goal in the Legend series. In fact, you will often find that the Boston Whaler Legend series boats are priced very competitively. For example, I have seen a 17-foot Mako selling for more than an almost identically equipped 170 Montauk.

jimh posted 04-28-2004 09:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I had a chance to look closely at a 180 DAUNTLESS model recently. The boat has many very nice features.

When comparing models with different engines, you have to remember that often the upgrade to the Optimax engines also includes thousands of dollars of additional upgrades besides just the larger engine. For example, if you compare a boat with a 115-HP 2-stroke classic Mercury outboard to one with a 135-HP Optimax Mercury outboard, you have to account for increased cost in all of the following:

--More horsepower
--Optimax engine
--Stainless steel propeller
--SmartCraft digital gauges
--Hydraulic steering

Anytime you get a larger engine there will be an increase in cost. When you go from the classic 2-stroke to the Optimax, there is at least a $1,000 premium. If you have a stainless steel high performance propeller it will cost about $400 more than an aluminum three-blade. And the SmartCraft digital gauges can add about $1,000 to the costs compared to the traditional analogue gauge package. Finally, the larger engines may include an upgrade to hydraulic steering, and this will be about a $1,000 premium, too.

It is not unusual to see almost a $5,000 jump in the price between the base engine package and the premium engine package in some cases.

jimh posted 04-28-2004 09:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
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TG_190 posted 04-28-2004 10:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     
Jim,

Your points are very valid re: the opti upgrade prices, but the quoted price of a Daunt18 w/ 135 Opti of $43K, and the price of mine w/ 135Opti, smartcraft, SS prop, and Hydraulic steering, w/ aftermarket Lenco trim tabs, and swim platform is is still $7K less. Other factory options that were also part of my package are: Fishing package, and Bimini. My price also included bottom paint, prep, Coast Guard Package w/ anchor and rode, gas and oil, and electronics installation. Total:$36k +tax.

I think that the incentives BW has (or had?) on the Daunt 18 (I believe $4K) is trying to make up for the gap some. I do believe the manufacturing costs of the Nantucket are less.

Regards,

TG_190

Yiddil posted 04-28-2004 10:50 AM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
Thanks everyone...very impressive reviews on the differences between the two wonderful boats...TG is correct...its like 43K for the 18 Daunt. and considerably less for the NAntucket190...thats why I asked the question...Jim, you have some great points as well, but for the likes of me I still see a big difference...like 7K between the two...but still find the boat differences..less engines as minimal compared to the price ranges...probably why I choose the Nantucket190. I couldnt see paying that much more considering the boats are very similar except for maybe the stern layout, and possibly the cc layout....the bench seat in the back and storge for the DAunt. is nice, but there seems to be a bit more room around the stern for the NAntucket...not sure about hulls...seems there pretty close but count tell from the drawings..but Ill keep the 7 K for slip fees, and happily sail away in the Nantucket...thanks everyone:))
Steve M posted 04-28-2004 09:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Steve M  Send Email to Steve M     
Before I brought my 2003 220 dauntless I took a good look at the 190 Nantucket, and it was probably my second choice. I really was impressed with it. What swung me was the differential in dollars wasn't that great for the extra boat, and I wanted an aluminum trailer. I felt the 220 was not in as high demand and could be negotiated more effectively.

FYI: my options: 225 Four stroke, bimini top, trim tabs, fish package, freshwater shower, ski-pylon, leaning post with cooler, bow cushions (a.k.a comfort package), coast guard package. Price was $43K - $3k (Whaler incentive) + $3K (Aluminum Trailer)= $43K + batteries + trolling motor + tax.

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