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jimh posted 04-29-2004 12:41 AM ET (US)   Profile for jimh   Send Email to jimh  
Recently I have had the chance to see a number of new Boston Whaler boats, all pre-rigged with engines, controls, and gauges. The factory installation of the engine, its remote controls, its wiring harness, and its gauges has all been done in really top-notch fashion. I was impressed.

The factory really has worked out all the kinks in the installation. They have the cables with the proper length, the wiring harness nicely dressed, the fuel line and primer bulb in the right place, and so on. I don't think most dealership could install the engine, controls, wiring, and gauges nearly as well as the factory has done.

Typically in a dealership the really best mechanics and craftsmen are doing the repair and diagnosis work. The new-engine installation is probably left to the new guys or the junior guys in the shop. Even if the work is done by old hands with plenty of experience, I would wonder if they'd be familiar with every model of boat and engine combination.

Also, it looks like Boston Whaler uses the premium line of Mercury controls for their installations. I was not aware of this until recently, but apparently there are two or three tiers of remote controls and cables. The better controls and cables work much more smoothly, but, of course, they cost more. Many times the dealer installed engines don't have the good controls and cables in the package. They install the lowest priced ones, and don't bother to tell you there are better ones that cost a few bucks more, although you are probably paying enough to get them.

The workmanship in all of the installations I looked at was very high. The cables were carefully dressed and secured. Where cables led through a grommet to a rigging tunnel there was attention paid to sealing out water.

And the factory knows where to mount the engine, which hole to use, and what propeller is optimum. In a dealer installation you are probably will get the engine mounted too low and a propeller the dealer had on the shelf which may not be the best choice

I know there has been plenty of grousing about "getting stuck" with buying the boat pre-rigged with an engine, but I think the extremely high quality of these installations is a big advantage. You would pay many more dollars for a professional rigging and installation by a dealer than you pay in the package price from Boston Whaler.

The boat electrical wiring is also top notch. Many boats are now delivered with nice extras like cockpit courtesy lights. The power distribution is very professionally wired, and there is an expansion panel to wire additional loads.

The pre-rigging also makes for faster delivery, too. When you have written the check, you don't want to wait for two weeks while the dealership guys crawl around the boat mounting all of your rigging and controls.

dauntlass 18 posted 04-29-2004 01:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for dauntlass 18  Send Email to dauntlass 18     
Jim your correct 100% in my book about factory installed motors.My first Whaler had a factory installed motor it was a excellent job.My second and present Whaler had a Dealer installed motor and also some dealer installed addons.I spent a fair amount of time rerouteing and tieing down wire and control cables.The best one was masking tape at the transom where the transducer cable entered the hull.I think Whaler factory installed motors is the best option.I realize you have less choice of engines but to me I feel more secure the job is done correctly with factory installed motors.
AQUANUT posted 04-29-2004 06:58 AM ET (US)     Profile for AQUANUT  Send Email to AQUANUT     
jimh

you have made quite a few points concerning your observations,

I agree with most....indeed Boston whaler does a marvelous job at rigging their product...especially for a factory..where the work environment and somewhat repetitive job assignments and production schedules can sometimes result in an attitude like " different day, same old program"


However, obviously Boston Whaler has avioded this attitude with its plant employees..it shows in the work they produce. perhaps it is pride in what their are trying to achieve..or great work incentives. Regardless, it must stay that way to produce a quality product


on the comments concerning dealer rigged boats..
I am a Boat Rigger,...my credentials, I am not the young new, in-experienced guy in our shop, nor am I the "old" experienced guy either, However, I was raised in south florida, been arround boats all my life, personally owned to 47' (hatteras sport fisherman} have seen alot of vessels, large and small.cheap and expensive..when a RIGGING
job is done correctly,,,,it is usually a sigh of pride and experience..at the factory or the dealership.

I love boats, they are my passion. be they a hand built wooden hulled canoe or sailboat or a multi million dollar yatcht.
I love my profession, Boat Rigger, simple, won't ever make me "monetarily rich" again, but it gives me great satifaction when the job is done, a matter of pride!

If someone feels they are getting a sub-quality job by getting their boat rigged at a dealership, then they need to consider a change...there are people who like me who will not let pennies and nickels, be an factor in the quality of the work they do. bottomline is this...there are two kinds of rigging....good and bad...right and wrong.

boston whaler does a superb job, I have yet to find a major factory screw up...and I have seen many over the years, having rigged bayliner,maxxum,fisher,jetcraft,trackers,ski natiques,smokercrafts,alumaweld,reinell,bluewater,ski centurian,sanger,sky supreme,and many more not sold at the dealerships I have worked.
my point is...I take a generalization saying that you normally only get a quality rig job at the factory as being
an untrue statement...

I take it personally, Its my job, Its what I do.
customers pay 60.00 an hour for the work I do..
I am there to ensure they get the best job they can for their money!

Its a matter of pride!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jimh posted 04-29-2004 09:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
My characterization of dealers and riggers is perhaps a bit harsh, and I am sure that there are many who can do a first class job the equal of Boston Whaler's factory. But you have to pay for that kind of work, and as mentioned, pay rather handsomely. I think it would be at least a whole day's work to install an engine, remote controls, and gauges on a boat. If the labor rate is $60 (which in not particularly excessive), then you'd be buying $500 of labor in the installation.

And I would be surprized if you could completely install and rig the boat in a single day. Maybe the professionals work much faster than I can! What is involved? Here is a quick list:

--cut out the console for the remote controls, the gauges, the ignition switches, the safety lanyard (of course, you have to carefully plan, locate, measure and scribe all the holes before cutting);

--mount controls, gauges, ignition switches, safety lanyard;

--run cables to engine;

--drill transom;

--mount engine;

--connect controls, cables, harnesses.

I suppose if you worked on the same model boat over and over you could cut down on some of the time. Perhaps you might make a template for where to locate the remote controls on a particular model. Of course, you'd need a template for each brand of engine controls you are going to install. And among brands there are different styles. I think Mercury has three tiers of controls. Bombardier has a couple of styles. Yamaha has a different control. Honda has theirs.

Then perhaps you cut out the console and discover afterwards that there is a little interference in the cable path route. It would have been better to move the controls an inch one way or the other!

This is the kind of thing I am talking about. The factory has worked all of this out. And they have all the materials on-hand they need. What if the rigger only has a 10-foot remote cable but the boat really would be better with a 9-foot cable. Does he wait a week for the 9-foot cable to be ordered. I bet not.

Nothing personal directed at anyone, here, and I am sure there are boats being rigged that are much better than the factory could do, too. It is just that the installation costs a small fortune or takes the owner a month of his own time to accomplish. In the pre-rigged boat the price is much less and the work is of a consistent quality. It is a benefit that offsets the moaning from some who lament not being able to buy a bare boat and rig it themselves. You are getting a pre-rigged boat and it is done to quite a high standard. I think it is a plus and it saves a lot of time and money for the owner.

Peter posted 04-29-2004 01:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
Interesting, sounds like a factory marketing pitch! Before I "buy" into this, I'd like to see some hard data on quality and cost between dealer and factory rather than rely on some speculation about what is typical.

My experience has been that not only can dealer rigging be accomplished in a day, but a dealer can actually do a derigging and rigging from one brand to another, as well as dealer correct propeller selection, and a dealer sea trial to confirm all is working right all in one day. Absolutely amazing to think that none of the greatest Brunswick factory hands and minds were involved in the process at all! How did they do that?

The grousing to which you refer has nothing to do with the quality of the workmanship for it sounds like Whaler riggers are so good here that they would be equally good at pre-rigging for Evinrude, Johnson, Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki and Tohatsu engines as well. Rather, the grousing has everything to do with taking away a choice people once had. I don't think I would have any good reason to grouse at all about perceived engine pre-rigging benefit if I could get this high quality factory workmanship, as described, applied to the engine brand, controls and instruments of my choice.

LHG posted 04-29-2004 02:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
Peter, you can! You just have to select the boat brand that comes pre-rigged with YOUR choice of engine.

I recently ran into a guy (at my FL Mercury dealership) who really wanted a new 26 Regulator, complete with Armstrong bracket and twin Merc 225 EFI's. He did not buy the boat because it came pre-rigged with Yamaha, his only choice.
So he bought a Fountain instead, where he could get his Mercurys pre-rigged.

I guess that's just way it's going to be for would-be boat buyers in the future.

I would agree with JimH in that BW/Mercury does do an excellent job in pre-rigging their boat/engine combinations.
This assembly-line work and parts acquisiton purchasing, all within the same corporate structure, has got to be a cost saving, and time saving, procedure over older traditional piece-meal rigging methods, for similar quality work & equipment. I think Henry Ford taught us that years ago.

andygere posted 04-29-2004 04:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
I agree that if done right, factory rigging can certainly take some of the cost out of an outboard powered boat. It's good to hear that Whaler is doing a high quality job rigging boats at the factory, it's what you would expect paying a premium price for a premium product.

Before Brunswick's aquisition of the company, Boston Whalers were once available pre-rigged for at least a few brands of outboards. A review of a few Boston Whaler Price and Specification sheets from the Catalog CD shows a menu of options for brand specific gauges, control cables and wiring harnesses that were available installed at the factory. For boats ordered with a full set of these options, I assume rigging at the dealership involved mounting the motor and connecting the control cables, wiring harnesses etc., with a most of the cutting and dashboard/console design and installation already completed. A series of 2" guage cutouts could also be had. Boston Whaler seemed to favor the excellent Morse engine controls in earlier years, perhaps for their yachty looks, and universal adaptability. In later years, the pre-rigging was offered as a complete package. For example, in 1994 you could buy an Outrage 21 prerigged for a single OMC motor for a $450 upcharge. In 1995, the OMC pre-rig for an OMC single dropped to $427 on the same boat, while the Mercury pre-rig was a bit higher at $560, and the Yamaha pre-rig was much higher at $1,133. The price sheet does not say what components are included for these prices, nor does it speak to the quality or tier of the installed components. I did find it interesting that rigging options on this particular example accounted for a low of 1.9% (single OMC) to a high of 10.4% (dual Yamaha) of the base cost of the boat.

I am curious if anyone on the forum has ordered a boat from Boston Whaler with a pre-rig option, and if so, how does the quality of that work and materials compare to that available from Boston Whaler today? Also, for boats purchased without a pre-rig option, how did the dealer charge for the rigging work? Was it time and materials, quoted as part of the outboard price, or quoted as a stand alone cost as if it were a factory installed option?

One final thought is that mandetory factory pre-rigging does reduce choices for consumers, and not just on the engine brands. This includes size, arrangement and brand of guages, controls, keyswitches and other gear. I think that part of the fun of buying a new boat would be working with a good dealer to customize things to your exact purpose or liking, or even doing it yourself. On mounting heights and propellor selection, I'm sure a lot of boat dealers don't put much thought into this process. At the same time, it's not a one-size-fits-all propostion, and being able to set it up for your intended purpose the first time is lost. The waterskiier is not going to want the same prop and engine height combination as the offshore fisherman or the big family beach cruiser, so the factory has got to use the "best overall performance" approach when selecting props and motor heights.

Peter posted 04-29-2004 04:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
Never said they didn't do a quality job but the last time I checked, saving money or doing a quality job was not a defense against tieing.

With all due respect to the conclusion that assembly-line work and parts acquisiton purchasing all within the same corporate structure has got to be a cost saving, I don't believe that is necessarily so. Last time I checked they were making Whalers in Florida and Mercs in Wisconsin? Something change? Believe it or not sometimes its actually less costly to go outside the corporate family.

Larry, the boat with house wiring is a completely self contained thing. Could be shipped as is. If there is a cost advantage to doing it all in-house then Merc and Whaler don't need the tieing arrangement because they'll beat the dealer's price and quality everytime. What are they afraid of, a little competition?

jimh posted 04-29-2004 08:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I don't think you can get a Mercury pre-rig on a Cobia or a Century, two boats made by companies that are owned by Yamaha, so it is not much different with Boston Whaler. I don't think you can hold them to a standard that is higher than everyone else in the business. I don't think shareholders would be happy to see them enabling sales of other people's engines. (By the way, I am not a shareholder--at the moment.)

I think all the big money is to be made in the engine business, which is why the engine companies own the boat companies and not the other way around.

Getting the boat pre-rigged is a nice way to go, but there are darn few boat builders--even so-called independents--who can deliver the boat pre-rigged for more than one brand of motor.

I was just observing that the factory pre-rigging was nicely done. After poking my head in a dozen consoles and looking at twelve transoms, I was satisfied that the guys in Edgewater are doing a nice job. They also use the premium parts from what I can tell.

AQUANUT posted 04-29-2004 11:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for AQUANUT  Send Email to AQUANUT     
great point jim...I also believe in boston whalers dedication to a job well done.....there is much truth in what you say about the price issues.....when you buy hundreds of throttle-shift cables a year versus thousands..there must be a substantial price break.


I concur with the quality of the work inside the consoles.
very obvious.


a few things I note as a rigger....
the use of mercury cables
[most use teleflex/uflex]
the use of 2 gauge wire from engine to battery
[others use 4 gauge]
the use of thr premium mercury gauges
[not teleflex generic]
lighted rocker switches
and many many more noticeable things like quality wiring with premium wire


some people work as mechanics at ford dealerships and drive cheverolets

I work at a boston whaler dealership...thats the boat I choose to own.

LHG posted 04-30-2004 12:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
There's an old saying around to the effect, "If you want it done right, do it yourself". I think that's what BW, in conjunction with the engine manufacturer's technical help, is doing, making sure Boston Whalers hit the water properly rigged to THEIR standards. So far this seems to be working, as we have heard "zero" complaints here on the rigging work furnished with the boat purchase. This can also reduce Product Liability risks and increase (if I can use the dreaded word) "customer satisfaction".

Is this horse now down for the final count? Both Mercury and Yamaha must be getting tired of seeing this on boating Forums. Maybe this "Free Choice" agenda is being sponsored by Bombardier, Suzuki, Honda, and assorted discontented Marine Dealerships who have lost Whaler or engine contracts & business profits to this trend, and who don't have much in the way of their own controlled transoms? After all, it did result in transfer of major Dealership profit centers (engine brand volume rebates and rigging work) to Boston Whaler and Mercury directly.

Before the Brunswick purchase of a troubled Boston Whaler in 1996, Johnson/Evinrude, and Dealers with their contract, had controlled probably 80% or better of Boston Whaler's transoms, with most of the rest going to Yamaha after 1985.
Just look at the engines you find on the majority of used Classic Whalers. Now these Companies control none of them. That's a major financial upheaval at the dealership level, and is probably what is behind much of this "free choice" agitation. Eventually the horse will pass away for good.

Vic Holmstrom posted 04-30-2004 12:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for Vic Holmstrom  Send Email to Vic Holmstrom     
Does Whaler use the premium level of cables and guages on the "packaged" legend series, or just on their more expensive models? I am particularly interested in the rigging of the 170 Montauk with either the 90 Optimax or 90 4 stroke. Thanks.
Peter posted 04-30-2004 01:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
Since there is an underlying assumption that Whaler can do it better than anybody else, which I don't necessarily believe but will go along with anyway, Whaler could do all the pre-rigging work for any of the brands of engine and achieve all of the objectives you state. All new Whalers, regardless of engine brand, would hit the water rigged to Whaler "standards". What a perfect World that would be.


LHG posted 04-30-2004 03:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
Peter, your vision is getting cloudy & obsessed, in spite of the reasonable guy you appear to be!

Lets take just the 170 Montauk, factory rigged with "the buyer's choice" 90 Hp engine. Whaler would have to keep in inventory the following 90 HP engines, for the buyer's "right of choice".

3 Mercs, 2 Yamahas, 1 Evinrude, 2 Johnsons, 1 Suzuki, 1 Honda and 2 Tohatsus, for a total of 12 engines. Did I miss any 90's? This would not be cost efficient. I can see the various engine boxes all stacked up already. I'm not even sure all these brands would agree to such an in-house agreement with Whaler, because each, in itself, would want all of the sales action for itself in exchange for shipping engines to BW. Greed would prevail.

In addition, they would have to stock all of the separate controls, cables, engine harnesses, props, and gauges for each brand, and have factory riggers trained by each of the brands.

Now lets take all of Whaler's other models and do the same.
Inventory chaos would reign supreme.

Therefore, for competitive reasons, I think Whaler should stay with Mercury, since they do, in effect, own them.

But I do think Grady, Contender and Regulator, to name a few, SHOULD offer all of the above choice, since they have no ownership ties to an engine company. So it adds another 5 grand to the price of every boat they sell. Who cares?
A twin 275 Verado powered Grady or Regulator would be a great rig, and a big improvement over those sleepy 225 4-stroke Yamahas they currently offer.

Peter posted 04-30-2004 05:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
Larry, you assume that the cost savings are passed onto the customer. Mistake!
AQUANUT posted 04-30-2004 09:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for AQUANUT  Send Email to AQUANUT     
heres my two cents or sense that is..
where I work we are dealers of honda/yamaha/mercury..
till john-rude went belly up...we also carried that line but have quite a few parts in inventory considering how much time has passed...

all the control boxes are different...some with the use of kits can be interchanged...my point it...when you have the multi choices..it becomes a dealer/manufacturer logistics problem...when do you keep it all?.


we carry two lines of boats smokercraft and alumaweld which off both yamaha and mercury power....yamaha just becoming available....now we need to stock twice the propellers..
see what I mean...versatility is great...perhaps even the cost of being the boss...but who really pays?...think about it.

Moe posted 05-01-2004 12:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
I've read a few complaints, mainly from those who wouldn't be buying a new Whaler anyway, about Whaler packaging Mercs here on CW back when this first started. TrafficLawyer didn't like it, but didn't let it stop him from getting his Whaler with what he wanted. As far as I know, he's the only recent Whaler buyer on this forum that it's mattered to.

Now, it seems no one but you cares, Peter. Would you sell those old Whalers to buy a new one with an Evinrude, Johnson, Yamaha, Honda, or Suzuki? Someone will buy the new boat you don't... with Mercury power.

I believe anyone who says they aren't buying new Whalers because of Mercury power, would find some other excuse not to... Euro transom, no wood, overpriced, etc.

Brunswick/Whaler probably figured this out a long time ago.
--
Moe

Moe posted 05-01-2004 12:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     

BTW, excellent post, Jim.

Peter posted 05-01-2004 09:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
Moe, it is quite unfortunate for all of us consumers if it is so that I'm the only one that cares. Quite frankly, it matters not which engine brand you are loyal to, we all suffer as a result of the practice. The fact you had no choice but to take the Mercury that came with your 150 Sport means you had no reasonable bargaining power with respect to the engine component of your boat, a significant part of the cost of your rig. Whether you realize it or not, you probably paid a higher price than you had to, even if it does appear to be a good deal. Sorry, but them are the facts. I advocate not against Brunswick but for the consumer. To the extent this is practiced by the other outboard manufactures, as appears to be the case for Yamaha, it is equally offensive and depending on how you define a market, potentially illegal. If you passively accept this practice, then what comes next will be forced electronics.

Back to the original point of this thread, wouldn't it be nice if they could share Whaler's excellent factory rigging skills indiscriminately like the good old days. The easy way to steer the majority of boats to an "all-in-the-family" rig with high quality Whaler rigging throughout the boat is to charge a significantly higher price if you elect not to take the "all-in-the-family" package. That should cover the cost of carrying two or more lines of rigging components. Of course I still don't see any reason why you can't get a bare hull either, particularly if you have a favorite dealer rigger you'd like to keep in business.

Moe posted 05-01-2004 11:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Peter, I don't need bargaining power over the price of the motor. What matters is bargaining the total price of the entire rig. Having fewer numbers of options makes it more likely dealers will have similarly equipped packages, and so makes it easier to compare total cost from one dealership to the next.
--
Moe
jimh posted 05-01-2004 11:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I think it would be very interesting to see a list of retail prices for current boats without motors and rigging. I don't think that you would see the boat prices reduced by an amount of the MSRP of the engine, the controls, the gauges, the propeller, and the trailer.

Take the 170 Montauk model for example. I think the MSRP is about $17,400. Back out the MSRP of a 90-HP Mercury 2-stroke (about $6,000), the controls, gauges, and propeller (probably close to $700), the fuel tanks ($150), the labor of the rigging (maybe $600), and the trailer ($1,500 ?), and you would have a Boston Whaler boat that was selling for, what, $8,450?

Something tells me that a 170 Montauk bare boat would sell for more than $8,450. Who knows, maybe not. I get the feeling that there is some savings in buying the whole package, and that the customer does save.

But back to the main point--the pre-rigging is nicely done, and insures the owner some immunity from the inexperienced dealer/rigger who might not get everything correct.

Aquanut--or others--Are you familiar with the various tiers of Mercury remote controls? Which level controls are the new Boston Whaler boats delivered with?

AQUANUT posted 05-01-2004 03:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for AQUANUT  Send Email to AQUANUT     
YES JIM
personally, my own montauk 170 is rigged with the premium throttle and shift cables....I.E. mercury product...mercury name...there is a difference...most dealerships is seems use the teleflex or uflex cables available from suppliers such as coast or port supply...major players in the parts business for RV/marine industry.


I concur with your appraisal on the better cable use from Boston Whaler....its kinda like...used to be if ya bought a ford and a lincoln...although ford made lincolns....they weren't the same.

AQUANUT posted 05-01-2004 03:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for AQUANUT  Send Email to AQUANUT     
YES JIM
personally, my own montauk 170 is rigged with the premium throttle and shift cables....I.E. mercury product...mercury name...there is a difference...most dealerships is seems use the teleflex or uflex cables available from suppliers such as coast or port supply...major players in the parts business for RV/marine industry.


I concur with your appraisal on the better cable use from Boston Whaler....its kinda like...used to be if ya bought a ford and a lincoln...although ford made lincolns....they weren't the same.

Peter posted 05-01-2004 09:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
Sorry Larry, I think my vision must have become "cloudy and obsessed" looking for all of those 65 MPH light weight Verado powered 320 Outrages this winter.
TRAFFICLAWYER posted 05-02-2004 03:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for TRAFFICLAWYER    
...""I've read a few complaints, mainly from those who wouldn't be buying a new Whaler anyway, about Whaler packaging Mercs here on CW back when this first started. TrafficLawyer didn't like it, but didn't let it stop him from getting his Whaler with what he wanted. As far as I know, he's the only recent Whaler buyer on this forum that it's mattered to."...


YOU'RE DARN TOOTIN! Great boat! Great Motors!

TDB7117 posted 05-15-2004 11:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for TDB7117  Send Email to TDB7117     
I just think it's a shame that you can buy the best, most reliable boat on the market, the Boston Whaler, but you can't outfit it with the most reliable four stroke, the Honda. You also can't get it with possibly the best DI two stroke around, the new Evinrude E-Tec. It might even be nice to have the option of getting the only 300HP outboard out there, the new Yamaha V Max. But sadly we are limited to getting only a Mercury on our new Boston Whalers. Is that fair to us, the customers???
AQUANUT posted 05-16-2004 12:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for AQUANUT  Send Email to AQUANUT     
TDB:

Consider this...

scenerio: you are buying a new FORD TRUCK, and you want a corvette ls-7 350ci V-8 engine


the dealer (ford] is going to look you in the eye and say
"you can't get there from here"


they won't tell you it can't bee done, but you will never see it come from Ford Motor Company that way!


with the right amount of money and motivation you can do anything,,,,right?


boston whaler is owned by brunswick...and so is mercury

see the connection?


fantasy is great, but reality is the way it is...enjoy it, or spend the bucks to change it.
happy whaler daydreamin

terry

PMUCCIOLO posted 05-16-2004 09:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for PMUCCIOLO    
Having purchased three Boston Whalers from Brunswick Commercial & Government Products Division, I have always been impressed by the high-quality beautifully installed factory rigging. Brunswick Commercial & Government Products utilized all genuine Quicksilver Components on my latest boat, integrating them beautifully with her Mercury powerplant.
Steve M posted 05-16-2004 01:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for Steve M  Send Email to Steve M     
Having brought a 2003 220 dauntless in the last year I have had a first hand experience from the customers point of view on how "new" whalers are rigged. I am not sure who "rigged" what on my boat, but I have seen some things that were disturbing. (I am taking a break from trimming my shrubs, and I want to get done so I can go out on the boat later, so I will be brief...promise.) Probably the thing that irked me the most was that I developed a pretty serious gas leak that came to my attention one day when I was going to take out guests. There was an overwhelming smell of gas on the boat, and it did not take me long to find the culprit. For whatever reason, a tie wrap was used to connect the fuel hose coming from the tank to the primer bulb. Needless to say that the normal tilting and steering action of the motor had loosened this up, so while it may have worked initially, it was not a really bright idea in the long run. By the time I found it there was a dribbling leak that had saturated the harness to the motor. Even the most exotic, super stainless steel clamp for a hose costs no more than $3.50 at retail, so it makes nos sense to rig a premier boat with such a substandard connection. Fortunately my guests were waiting at a marina with a parts store, and I was able to flick the cheap plastic tie wrap off with the knife on my Leatherman and use the screw driver to tighten a real clamp on there. I would like to know if others have seen a boat with similar rigging, or was mine a dealer created anomaly.
Steve M posted 05-16-2004 01:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for Steve M  Send Email to Steve M     
My other rigging peeve is directly aimed at Whaler. On the 225 Mercury (a.k.a Yamaha) four-stroke setup they use four analog gauges in place of the smartcraft gauges (which apparently would not be as useful, i.e. full functionality, on this motor. Although I have heard some really mixed stories, so I don't think anyone except a few engineers at Mercury really know). All of this is understandable. What is unacceptable is that the boat does not have a trim gauge for the motor. What is tolerable, but kind of cheap, is that there is no hour gauge, even if this is buried in the console. I understand there is a limited amount of room on the metal dashplate. But I had no problems figuring out excellent locations for the trim gauge, hour meter, and several other things on the front of the console, and Whaler could do this too. You put the trim gauge under the emergency cutoff, you put the hour meter under the key switch. A boat that has trim tabs but no gauge for the motor trim...unbelievable. I don’t mind “feeling” where the tabs are, but trying to feel both would have been annoying. Okay…I have cooled off now…back to yard work.
TDB7117 posted 05-16-2004 02:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for TDB7117  Send Email to TDB7117     
Ok, I get it, if it's a Ford, I'm stuck with a Ford motor. If it a Boston Whaler than I'm stuck with a Mercury motor. Well then I sure hope that Verado turns out to be a reliable motor. It sure looks complicated to me. They didn't use the K.I.S.S. philosophy on that one. It might also be nice if they got all their Optimax's up to a 3 star emissions rating. It would be even better if they made an Optimax over 225HP that didn't require 91 octane. Hint... 300HP WOULD BE GREAT!!!
LHG posted 05-17-2004 11:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
TDB - You also neglected to mention that it would be nice if Yamaha and Bombardier got their DFI V-6's up to a 3 star rating.

Currently the only V-6 DFI 3 star rated is a Mercury 135 Optimax.

The reason the now obsolete 225 4-strokes don't have Smart Craft is because Yamaha, who made the motor, doesn't have anything close to that technology available yet.

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