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ptortora posted 05-09-2004 03:17 PM ET (US)   Profile for ptortora   Send Email to ptortora  
I'm currently using a Nantucket in Long Island Sound and being that the Nantucket is my first boat, I'm starating to come to the realization that although it is an admirable boat, I'll probably need a bigger boat since my wife and I are looking for a bit of a better ride and a porta potty as well. I'm considering a 240 Outrage or a 270 (similarly equipped options and power). Don't need to trailer and I'm really looking for ride and handling quality as my main objective to upgrade. However, the price difference between the 240 and the 270 is substantial. Anyone have any expereience with boating in both of these so I could get a comparison/opinion. My dealer doesn't have a 240 I could test drive but I will be able to test drive the 270. Any comments or opinions appreciated.

Thanks!

TG_190 posted 05-11-2004 11:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     
ptortora,

There are some people on thehulltruth that have those boats, and seem to like them. Since you haven't had much luck w/ responses on this site maybe you should ask the question over there.

I have "heard" that the 240 with twins may be a bit stern heavy. I have "heard" that the 270 is a better balanced choice (price and weight) if you need twins. Both, I imagine (no first hand experience) will handle admirably in chop.


Not trying to pry, but...
if you are you planning on having children aboard in the near future, you may want to go right to a cabin model (i.e. conquest).

Regards,

TG_190

ptortora posted 05-11-2004 08:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for ptortora  Send Email to ptortora     
Thanks TG_190 for responding. I'm sure you probably think I'm a bit crazy for trading up so quickly but here is what happened. My youngest child is a teenager and loves to fish... he conned me into a small boat (even aluminum) for fresh water and saltwater fishing. When we did our research, we were really impressed with the BW line and decided on a 170 instead of an aluminum boat. My wife visited the dealer prior to the purchase and thought we were crazy to buy 'such a small boat' and we all know it isn't often a wife upgrades the husband. All of this is new to us and we then decided on a 190 which we had in the water most of April and thus far in May. I must say our initial objectives have changed and although we really enjoy fishing in the 190, we are doing some day trips and are looking for a bit smoother ride and a boat that can handle 4 or 5 adults comfortably. I will say, we love the 190 and can understand the obsession with BW on this site. It's just that we have an opportunity to turn the 190 over at no loss and feel now is the time to upgrade (hopefully that will be it for a while).

We did look at the Conquest (dealer had a leftover at a great price) and there is some scuttle that a new 21 and 23 cuddy are on the horizon. However, for us, the Conquest seemed a bit intimidating (still new to getting the boat in a slip, etc. -- I know, the 270's hull is not much different in size than the 255 Conquest but that extra height on the 255's front end seemed a bit overwhelming for me and we do like open cc's).

My dealer has been great and what we ended up ordering is a 240 with a single 250 Verado. He claims it will be his first one powered by a Verado and the build date should be sometime in the near future. We're still not sure if we made the right move... we've learned quickly that there are so many decisions to make and so many comprimises when deciding on a new boat but I will say that we've not only learned to respect the water, but have grown to respect the BW name and our dealer.

I want to thank you for responding and for this great site that has been an incredible asset with our boating and Whaler decisions.

TG_190 posted 05-11-2004 09:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     
ptortora,

Your welcome for the response, and no, I don't think your crazy. No such thing as the perfect boat for all circumstances or conditions. If the larger CC suits your needs better than why punish yourselves especially if you don't take a big loss on the Nantucket?

I think the 240 with a single 225/250 is the right combination for that boat. Are you sure the NEW Verado over the tried and true Optimax is what you want? Did you seatrial a comparable setup?

As an aside,
re: being intimidated by a boat that "may" make more sense: I would sea trial it, and hire a captain for 2 or 3 sessions to teach you how to handle it, tie it up, etc. Once you spend some time getting used to it, it won't bother you as much as you think assuming your slip is not a nightmarish setup wind/current wise.

Feel free to ping me if you have any questions.

Regards,

TG_190

BEACHPANDA posted 05-11-2004 09:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for BEACHPANDA  Send Email to BEACHPANDA     
If you want real comfort, don't put on a T-Top. Those only work for the driver/captain when the sun is at 12:00 noon. I put a 20' L x 6'7" H Bimini on my Outrage 24. I also have a Weather Shelter/Spray Hood. With this rig, you get to enjoy 360 degree views, open air, and shade for everyone.

BP

mustang7nh posted 05-14-2004 07:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for mustang7nh  Send Email to mustang7nh     
I had an opportunity last June to take out the 240 with twin 150 Optis. I liked the fit and finish, and like anything brand new it was awesome to have everything new and in working condition. The engines performed well and the speed was more than satisfactory. There was only two foot chop and the boat handled that with ease. Conversely, I did find the interior space confining for a 24 foot boat. My 22 Outrage 'seems' like it has more expansiveness than the 240. I also had mixed feelings about the low gunnels up front for children. Last, and this is a personal pet peeve, I do not like center consoles that make me feel like a child at the bank teller (counter at chin level). I'm 5'10". One of the things I like most about the classic Whalers are there great visibility from the helm. Perhaps I would get used to this if I owned the boat and would no longer notice.

I've crawled around the 270 on dry land. I'm sure all being equal it will ride a bit better due to increased waterline length and weight. However, your fuel costs will go up as well as your purchase, insurance, dockage, and storage costs. I don't think anyone regrets have a more comfortable ride but all boats have their limits (planing hulls) and what is tolerable for me may not be for you. But as stated previously, even a 270 will be a compromise at some level (the 320 will ride even better than that I'm sure).

My best plug for the 240 is the review by Jimh from the Stuart Rendevouz which stated 3mpg at cruise. Gas on the way in this morning to work was 2.47 on land. So for me mpg is starting to become a bigger issue than purchase price.

Finally, I think that ride comfort is not a unitary construct but has a lot to do with your speed and relative direction to wave heights and period. My 22 will ride downwind on 3 footers with ease but turn her around and put them on my port corner and I'm getting beat up. So to keep it simple, unlike what I've done here, the 240 will ride better than the 190 and the 270 better than both. The performance increase from the 190 to the 240 will be much greater than the 240 to the 270.

TDB7117 posted 05-14-2004 08:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for TDB7117  Send Email to TDB7117     
Ptortora,

I think you've made a great choice with the 240 Outrage! That's alot of boat and it's MUCH less money than the 270, which requires twin engines. I too am in love with the 240 and plan to get one in the near future.

I have two questions for you if you don't mind. First off what kind of deal are they offering you on the 240 with the Verado? Second, I've heard about the 205 Eastport but where did you hear about a 23' cuddy? That sounds very interesting. Hope it has the deep draft and high freeboard of the Outrages.

Thanks and good luck with the new boat!

TDB7117 posted 05-14-2004 08:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for TDB7117  Send Email to TDB7117     
Ptortora,

I think you've made a great choice with the 240 Outrage! That's alot of boat and it's MUCH less money than the 270, which requires twin engines. I too am in love with the 240 and plan to get one in the near future.

I have two questions for you if you don't mind. First off what kind of deal are they offering you on the 240 with the Verado? Second, I've heard about the 205 Eastport but where did you hear about a 23' cuddy? That sounds very interesting. Hope it has the deep draft and high freeboard of the Outrages.

Thanks and good luck with the new boat!

ptortora posted 05-18-2004 05:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for ptortora  Send Email to ptortora     
TDB7117,

Thanks for your comments. I don't have final pricing yet on the boat but the dealer said the upcharge for the Verado was approx. 7k (he wasn't positive - first sale of a Verado model). There is some confusion on the gauges... needs to have smart gauges but there is some talk that the Verado BW's will only be shipping with the SC5000 display initially.. that is yet to be seen. Obviously, all of this will have an effect on the pricing and I did add some options last minute (final option list = T-top, portable head with pump-out and overboard discharge, sun lounge filler, clarion am/fm, bow seat cushion, forward coaming bolsters and low profile windlass with rode and anchor, deluxe leaning post with cooler). I was very tempted to get the hull in yellow but I couldn't justify the upcharge of approx. 6k.

Additionally, I'm equiping the 240 with the following electronics: Raymarine C80 w/ DSM250, Raystar 120 GPS, 2D 18w Radar, Transom Mount Transducer P6, Pathfinder Smart heading Sensor (so I could overlay radar on chart with accuracy), ICOM 602 radio with hailer and auto fog sounder, and an ERIP. (I was disappointed the 240's console would only fit the C80 and barely at that - wanted the C120).

In closing, I will say the wait is killing me... I haven't been this excited about getting a new toy since my first computer back in the late 70's (I think that is when I got my first computer - wow - memory is starting to go). Hopefully the final sticker shock won't snap me out of my jubilation!

Sal A posted 05-18-2004 05:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
It is a great feeling isn't it?

I think you made a wise choice getting the boat in white. The colored hulls take a lot of maintenance to keep looking bristol. One famous boating quote is, "There are only two colors a boat should be painted...black or white, and only a fool would paint a boat black."

Congrats
Sal

TDB7117 posted 05-18-2004 06:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for TDB7117  Send Email to TDB7117     
Wow, your getting that baby loaded!!! I can't wait to hear how you like it... Sounds VERY nice!!!

I think you made the right choice not going with yellow. First of all $6K is a LOT of money for paint. Secondly, can you say WAX, and lots of it. My next boat will be white, simple and clean.

Best of luck and keep us informed.

TDB7117 posted 05-18-2004 07:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for TDB7117  Send Email to TDB7117     
Oh yeah, you mentioned something about a new 23' cuddy cabin coming out. Spill the beans, what do you know??? Did this rumor come for the dealer or elsewhere? Did the mention a release date, 2005?

Thanks again and I love your boat,
Tim

jimh posted 05-18-2004 10:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
There is a separate thread about the new 205 Eastport. Perhaps speculation about additional cabin models might be better there.

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001505.html

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