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OzWhaler posted 05-10-2004 09:45 PM ET (US)   Profile for OzWhaler   Send Email to OzWhaler  
My order is going in for a 170MT to be delivered to W.Australia. Having been involved in boat building all my life my decision on the 170MT is based on a lot of research, my particular boating needs, and financial considerations...

In looking at design aspects of the 170MT my only real serious concern is the bow rail. Having been caught pulling an anchor in a pitching sea and getting on and off landings and piers, the unsupported span of this s/s rail seems very long for the diameter of the tube. While it is ideal to come along side to disembark, sometimes getting on and off the bow (trailer loading, onto a beach,...?)is necessary...

Often when putting out an anchor in a hurry (or getting and inexperienced person to do it !)the anchor line can go over the rail not under it... result is the potential for load on this rail and damage... My experience with yacht s/s pushpits and pulpits is that they never look same again after straightening repairs - unless they are replaced.

I am considering breaking this rail in the centre and bringing the two sides down on an angle and fixing either side of the centre of the bow. This would greatly stiffen this rail on either side and avoid any anchor line and people disembarking over the bow problems.

Has anyone had any problems with this long bow rail ?

It looks really good in the pictures I've seen of the 170MT (we don't have any here yet..)but I have my doubts about its practicality.

Chuck Tribolet posted 05-10-2004 11:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chuck Tribolet  Send Email to Chuck Tribolet     
A friend of mine had one of the welds that support the bow
rail break on a boat about eight months old.


Chuck

erik selis posted 05-11-2004 04:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for erik selis  Send Email to erik selis     
OzWhaler,

I think it's a good idea if you can get it to look factory finished.
I have always found the bow rail a weak spot. It resonates at certain speeds as well. I also have been thinking of supporting it on 2 sides from the middle of the bow (as with the Classic 18-foot Outrage). Your idea may be better because of the anchor issue.

Erik

ghefty posted 05-11-2004 09:04 AM ET (US)     Profile for ghefty  Send Email to ghefty     
Oz, splitting the bow rail sounds like an appropriate solution to the situations you described. The long unsupported span is definitely a weak point, I think more designed to lean against than lean on. As far as pulling anchor in a pitching sea, I usually accomplish this seated on the cooler in front of the console

If you style the angle to that of the other rails you may need to add some material but the finished product would look like it came from the factory. Careful though, once other boaters down under get their first look, you may set the standard for the Southern Hemisphere version M170.

Uncle Pug posted 05-11-2004 11:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for Uncle Pug    
I really like your idea. We have a local rail shop and I am going to see what they would charge to cut the rail, bend it down and the appropriate angle and weld some feet on for attaching to the deck. Not only for anchor handling but also for getting off the bow on a beach approach.

Thanks for the suggestion!

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