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Moe posted 05-14-2004 02:21 PM ET (US)   Profile for Moe   Send Email to Moe  
I'm interested in the dimensions of the fire extinguisher boxes used in some late Post-Classic Whalers. Apparently there are two, a short one and a long one.

Looking at WhalerParts.com, I find them used on the following boats.

Short Box - Montauk 170, Dauntless 160 and 180, Outrage 210
Box, ABS BW-97 Fire Ext Short Wht 1037555

Long Box - Dauntless 220
Box, ABS BW-97 Fire Ext Long Wht 1037480

Would one of the owners of each of these boats/boxes mind taking some measurements for me, according to this:

http://www.engr.udayton.edu/staff/lriggins/Whaler/FireExtinguisherBox.bmp

I'd also like to know the model number and rating (i.e. 5:BC or 10:BC) of your extinguisher.

Thanks,
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Moe

kingfish posted 05-14-2004 02:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Moe-

Is dimension "D" and dimension "E" the same thing?

...inquiring minds...

Moe posted 05-14-2004 03:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Yes, it is! (blush) Thanks for catching that.

duckear posted 05-14-2004 07:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for duckear  Send Email to duckear     
Moe,
I'll try to measure mine this weekend.
duckear posted 05-14-2004 07:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for duckear  Send Email to duckear     
The long box on my Dauntless, that is.
Moe posted 05-14-2004 07:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Thank you! I was afraid that one would be hard to get.

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Moe

4Runner posted 05-15-2004 02:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for 4Runner  Send Email to 4Runner     
From my 170 Montauk:

A = 15-3/4
B = 6-7/8
C = 14
D = 5
F = 3-1/2
G = 1/8

extinguisher is a 5:BC

Moe posted 05-15-2004 02:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Thank you very much!

Backlash posted 05-15-2004 11:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for Backlash  Send Email to Backlash     
Moe,

Is this what you're looking for? I believe this is the larger box.

http://www.boatus-store.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=20002&langId=-1&catalogId=20002&productId=92397

Steve

Moe posted 05-15-2004 03:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Thanks, Steve! I'll bet when duckear reports on his 220, its large Whaler box is identical to the one at BoatUS. The netted storage box on the starboard seat back of our 150 is. It's shown here:

http://www.engr.udayton.edu/staff/lriggins/Whaler/150SportSternArea.jpg

What I'm thinking of doing is mounting an extinguisher box in the port seat back, where the rod holders used to be. I made a template out of 4Runner's Montauk box dimensions and it just will fit. The Kidde 110 1A:10BC might barely fit in the small box. If not, we'll have to go with a smaller 5BC.

Or maybe I should just flush mount a TP holder there! LOL!

Thanks again,
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Moe

Chuck Tribolet posted 05-17-2004 11:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for Chuck Tribolet  Send Email to Chuck Tribolet     
I'm at work and don't have the dimensions of the box on my
1997 console on my Montauk, BUT, the black box it came with
is a touch bigger than the white box I replaced it with
when the black box cracked. And the mounting holes are in
different places. A Kidde 10 fits, just. I'll try to get
dimmensions on the white box when I get home. And there's
a very outside chance I haven't emptied the garage garbage
can since I changed it out a couple of months ago and the
black on is still there.


Chuck

Moe posted 05-17-2004 12:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Thanks, Chuck!

Chuck Tribolet posted 05-17-2004 11:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chuck Tribolet  Send Email to Chuck Tribolet     
The new white one:
A. 18 1/2
B. 6 3/4
C. 16 5/8
D. 5
F. 3 3/8
G. about 1/8"

The Kidde 10 bracket is mounted a bit off center. Put some
effort into getting it right. Btw, I used the real metal
bracket, not the plastic one that comes with the bottle.
At least at one time, the plastic one wasn't CG approved.
I also put a piece of 3" x 1/8" x about 12" aluminum behind
the box as a BIG washer for the mount.

I think the bottle is a 10:BC, certainly a 10.

The old black one is in the landfill. It's C and D
measurements are about 1/8" bigger.


Chcu;

Moe posted 05-17-2004 11:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Thanks, Chuck! Sounds like if I want to put it in the port side seat back, I'm going to have to opt for the short box, and a 5:BC if the 10 won't fit.

I guess Whaler didn't put one in the 150 because they aren't required in sub-16' boats, but they ought to realize anyone buying a Whaler would be safety-conscious enough to have one anyway. I wish I hadn't have had to add a horn also.

It's interesting that to pass the Vessel Safety Check, you just have to have the extinguisher (over 16'). Having it mounted is in the recommended, but not required list of things, so it appears that even the plastic mounts aren't required any more. I'll take your advice and opt for metal.

Thanks again,
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Moe

Sal A posted 05-18-2004 05:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
Moe,

I should be out on the boat today or tomorrow, so I should have the Nantucket's by Thursday.

Sal

Moe posted 05-18-2004 09:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Thanks, Sal!

Jamber posted 05-18-2004 10:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jamber  Send Email to Jamber     
Moe,

I can get the measurements for you on my 1999 16 Duantless in tomorrow or Thursday if you still need it.

-James

Moe posted 05-18-2004 10:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Thanks, James. I just checked on WhalerParts.com and see that the box used on your 1999 160 is the same part number as the one on 4Runner's 170, measurements above. Appeciate the offer, though.

Good to hear from you again. Hope all is well with you and yours.

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Moe

duckear posted 05-18-2004 11:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for duckear  Send Email to duckear     
Moe,
Here are the measurements from my 22 Dauntless. (Sick daughter this weekend, so didn't go out on the boat. So on the way home... from another daughter's practice... done in the dark... with a flashlight in my teeth ...under the full cover at the storage facility....with a cheap tape measure...So, I don't want to be held responsible for them!! ;)

A =18
B =6 1/2
C =16 1/2
D =5
F=3 1/2
G= forgot to check


Jamber posted 05-19-2004 08:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jamber  Send Email to Jamber     
Moe,

My 16 Duantless (1999) appears to be the same as 4Runner's 170 Montauk.

A : 15-3/4
B : 6-7/8
C : 14
D : 5
F : 3-1/2
G :1/8

Extinguisher is a Kidde 5 BC Dry Chem

-James

Moe posted 05-19-2004 08:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Thanks, duckear! It appears the long one is definitely too long for the seat back.

Thanks, James. Good to have that confirmation.

Perhaps I'll mount a 5:BC in the seat back and keep the 10:BC under the console as a backup.
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Moe

Joe Kriz posted 05-19-2004 11:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for Joe Kriz  Send Email to Joe Kriz     
Moe,

Have you seen my installation of the SSI box?
www.sisqtel.net/~jkriz/Outrage/extinguisher.html

I know you don't need instructions on how to install your box but listed and shown is the SSI box with a Teak frame that I made. SSI has a website with all the products they make including lockable boxes, rode boxes, etc. Unfortunately their site is being reworked.
www.ssicustomplastics.com/

The boxes from them come with reinforcement on the Back or on the Side for mounting the Fire Extinguisher. As Chuck mentions, he added aluminum behind his but these boxes are designed for mounting in either fashion.

There is also a thread going on about color.
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000431.html

I have talked with SSI in the past and they never mentioned I could order the box in any other color except Black or White. If I can order it in a different color to match Desert Tan, I certainly would. For the later models, I believe all Whaler uses is the White or Black.. I know my 1997 Outrage 17 had the White one installed on the Starboard side Amidship...

Good Luck with your project..

Joe

Moe posted 05-19-2004 12:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
That's a real nice installation for a teak-outfitted boat, Joe. Practical too!

I definitely appreciate the link to SSI. I couldn't find it yesterday in the time I had to look. I reasoned they had to have a smaller box, but West didn't carry it. Too bad their website is down.

Do you think they OEM for Whaler? The reason I ask is that their boxes are the only other ones I've seen that are ABS like Whalers.

In thinking of what to do with that volume in the port seat back, besides a fire extinguisher, I also thought it would be nice to close the bottom off with StarBoard, etc, and put a door in the back for storage. Perhaps pad the interior for our binoculars. Did you ever see a compartment or anything like that on their site?

Thanks again!

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Moe

Joe Kriz posted 05-19-2004 12:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for Joe Kriz  Send Email to Joe Kriz     
Moe,

Yes, the Fire Extinguisher Pocket is very handy and practical. I made 6 of these up and mounted one on my Outrage. Mounted one on a friends 1977 Montauk, sold a couple to fourm members here, and then sold a couple on eBay. I figured if I was going to make one, I might as well make a few extra to pay for all the Teak I purchased..

SSI does have some nice lockable boxes that are made out of the same ABS as the pockets. I don't remember the size or configuration but at the time I thought they were very nice..

You might call them and have them send you out a brochure.. Or, ask them if you can view their products somewhere else online...

It is very possible they are the OEM for Whaler but I never took the one out of my 1997 Outrage 17 to see if it was stamped SSI on the back.. I do know that they make a large and a small pocket... The one I used was large but my 1997 Outrage 17 had the small one...

Joe

Chuck Tribolet posted 05-19-2004 01:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chuck Tribolet  Send Email to Chuck Tribolet     
I'd mount the bracket on the box before I mounted the box
on the boat. Less reaching around to get at the nuts.

My black box didn't have any reinforcing and I didn't like
the way the bottle wiggled the plastic, so one time when I had
the box out to ease access to some electricals, I added the
aluminum. The white box did have a plastic reinforcement
across the back, but I had the aluminum piece, and decided it
would take about 30 seconds to install it, and did.

I'm thinking now that the aluminum was 2" wide, not 3".


Chuck

Moe posted 05-19-2004 01:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Email sent to SSI, Joe, thanks for the info.

Good idea on the backing plate, Chuck. Despite the thickness of the fiberglas on the console, etc, I always try to use the largest stainless washer possible on the back side of fasteners to spread the load.

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Moe

Moe posted 05-20-2004 10:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
I'll wrap this topic up by confirming that SSI is indeed the OEM for Whaler formed plastic components such as the fire extinguisher box, at least these days. Didn't ask about how far back that's true.

SSI Custom Plastics
43985 Commerce Ave.
Hollywood, Md. 20636

TEL:(301) 373-2372

FAX:(301) 373-2734

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Moe

Chuck Tribolet posted 05-20-2004 06:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chuck Tribolet  Send Email to Chuck Tribolet     
One more difference between the white and black box. The
white box is pretty tranlucent, and provides a bit of a
skylight so you can see inside the console. But I'm still
going to rig up a light in there.


Chuck

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